Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016 - Mod Warning Post #6863

caviardreams

Gutted. You can tell how much it meant to him.

Rayne Wooney

Pogba hasn't showed up at all

Robson99

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Pogba hasn't showed up at all

Sanchez was a steal for Bayern

Rayne Wooney

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Pogba hasn't showed up at all

He's not being played in the correct position IMO

jayo26

M!Ck^ wrote: »

He's not being played in the correct position IMO

I thought the same is he playing very deep or is it just me.

jayo26

jayo26 wrote: »

I thought the same is he playing very deep or is it just me.

Playing two deep lying midfielders / sweepers

That's not how to play him

Box to box, he should play dead centre / further forward but France are not set up that way

The system suits Greizmann better IMO

TheDoc

Wouldnt mind seeing Pogba do something...anything at all.

Massively unimpressed with him in these Euros.

Appreciate he's playing deep, but great players play great wherever, and use their own initiative.

sky88

is that not the postion he would be playing if he came granted not as deep but would be similar

Manutd_4life

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Pogba hasn't showed up at all

He's being played very deep. He should be were Sissoko is. That being said, Sissoko is having a stormer so not sure if the manager will change things.

jayo26

sky88 wrote: »

is that not the postion he would be playing if he came granted not as deep but would be similar

No pogba would play along side someone like carrick that will sit deep. Pogba is more suited to the role renato Sanchez is playing for Portugal.

sky88

sky88 wrote: »

is that not the postion he would be playing if he came granted not as deep but would be similar

To jayos point
No he would be played further forward

Jayop

Robson99 wrote: »

Sanchez was a steal for Bayern

His passing is awful but all other aspects seem class

irishguitarlad

And now for the pepe show.

Robson99

Jayop wrote: »

His passing is awful but all other aspects seem class

Considering hes only 18 I'd forgive him on it. Real tempo to his play

caviardreams

Robson99 wrote: »

Considering hes only 18 I'd forgive him on it. Real tempo to his play

Or 24 depending on who you listen to :D:D

titan18

M!Ck^ wrote: »

To jayos point
No he would be played further forward

I think his best position is at the head of a midfield 3, and not sure he'd play there at United. He's also played alongside far better midfielders at Juventus than he will at United. Pirlo, Vidal, Marchisio and Khedira made him look than he actually is imo as he doesn't need to worry about being disciplined in one position

Headshot

Game is crying out for Martial

Trigger

TheDoc wrote: »

Wouldnt mind seeing Pogba do something...anything at all.

Massively unimpressed with him in these Euros.

Appreciate he's playing deep, but great players play great wherever, and use their own initiative.

So if you stuck Zidane, messi or ronaldo in CB they would play great? your logic is flawed.

Adamcp898

Headshot wrote: »

Game is crying out for Martial

Deschamps prefers Comon for that role unfortunately

jayo26

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Deschamps prefers Comon for that role unfortunately

Dont know why then. Martial has more end product.

Hococop

I don't get why gignac every game, he hasn't scored yet,

jayo26

Nani has looked pretty good for Portugal when they got the ball up to him.

Manutd_4life

Would love to see Martial come on

Hococop

Manutd_4life wrote: »

Would love to see Martial come on

I don't get it he had one bad first half and hasn't played since

Adamcp898

jayo26 wrote: »

Dont know why then. Martial has more end product.

Tbf he's better than him this tournament

bucketybuck

astradave wrote: »

So if you stuck Zidane, messi or ronaldo in CB they would play great? your logic is flawed.

Your comparison is flawed. He isn't playing in goal or at CB, he is a midfielder playing in midfield.

I already think he isn't worth the huge sums quoted, but if he is another Juan Mata who needs to be played in one exact position and who needs everything around him to be perfect before he can perform, then I really don't think he is worth it.

jayo26

bucketybuck wrote: »

Your comparison is flawed. He isn't playing in goal or at CB, he is a midfielder playing in midfield.

I already think he isn't worth the huge sums quoted, but if he is another Juan Mata who needs to be played in one exact position and who needs everything around him to be perfect before he can perform, then I really don't think he is worth it.

I don't think it's a case of he not performing it's like he has been given a deep lying role to fill and pass the ball around and break up play and he has done most of that grand.

The best pogba runs up and down the pitch gets into the box and on the end of things just on edge of box but he hasn't been in them positions tonight because it looks like it's sishokos role.

Trigger

bucketybuck wrote: »

Your comparison is flawed. He isn't playing in goal or at CB, he is a midfielder playing in midfield.

I already think he isn't worth the huge sums quoted, but if he is another Juan Mata who needs to be played in one exact position and who needs everything around him to be perfect before he can perform, then I really don't think he is worth it.

Leave pogba out of the equation and look at his argument on its own.

He stated "but great players play great wherever, and use their own initiative".. He should have phrased it differently if he meant it as a midfielder playing in midfield.

Being a WC Full back does not mean you are a WC CB, likewise being a WC AM doesn't mean that you would be a WC CM. or being a WC DM does not mean that you are therefore a WC Box to box CM, different positions call for different traits.

Adamcp898

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Tbh, I think it's more than him not being a Jose player. I'm not sure he's actually good enough for a side with title aspirations.

Jose likes his players to be strong and fast if your good enough he will let one slide but id struggle to think of any player in his premiership teams who was slow and weak.

Thats why I think Blind and Mata could be for the chop

Alf Veedersane

astradave wrote: »

Leave pogba out of the equation and look at his argument on its own.

He stated "but great players play great wherever, and use their own initiative".. He should have phrased it differently if he meant it as a midfielder playing in midfield.

Being a WC Full back does not mean you are a WC CB, likewise being a WC AM doesn't mean that you would be a WC CM. or being a WC DM does not mean that you are therefore a WC Box to box CM, different positions call for different traits.

Then it begs the question are Pogba's traits what United need or could the money be better spent elsewhere.

I don't think it's in doubt that Pogba is a talented boy doing what he does best. It's just a question of how well that fits with what United need.

I don't know but it's a valid question all the same.

Trigger

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Then it begs the question are Pogba's traits what United need or could the money be better spent elsewhere.

I don't think it's in doubt that Pogba is a talented boy doing what he does best. It's just a question of how well that fits with what United need.

I don't know but it's a valid question all the same.

I suppose I would trust Mourinho to know what he needs for the way he is going to set up the team. I suppose we will have to wait a couple of weeks to find that out.

Leroy42

Jebus, Pogba is nothing. Has had a poor tournament.

Manutd_4life

Martial coming on!!!!!

paulbok

Here comes Tony

Trigger

Should have been on 30 mins ago to run at tired legs..

Headshot

Leroy42 wrote: »

Jebus, Pogba is nothing. Has had a poor tournament.

only 1 or 2 players who you can say had a good tournament for France other wise they've been quite poor

Alf Veedersane

astradave wrote: »

I suppose I would trust Mourinho to know what he needs for the way he is going to set up the team. I suppose we will have to wait a couple of weeks to find that out.

True.

Maybe I'm just giving the price tag and the position too much attention but there's a lot of his play and movement I don't think is worth the money for what we need but I'm not the manager nor do I hold the purse strings so I just have trust left...

Leroy42

Headshot wrote: »

only 1 or 2 players who you can say had a good tournament for France other wise they've been quite poor

Very true, but the other players are not being quoted at €100m+

Headshot

Leroy42 wrote: »

Very true, but the other players are not being quoted at €100m+

True but Juve Pogba is a different beast. In saying that no where near 100m+

brinty

Leroy42 wrote:

Very true, but the other players are not being quoted at €100m+

Build a bridge would ye
It's not your money
It's the going market rate FFS

jayo26

Haha Ronaldo has to be seen to contributing no matter what

NANI is my man of the match.

Leroy42

brinty wrote: »

Build a bridge would ye
It's not your money
It's the going market rate FFS

It the market rate for a top tier player, and based on this tournament, when he was supposed to be the main man, he is nowhere close to it.

I don't care what Utd pay for him, my question is whether he is worth buying at all. Italian League is nowhere as competitive as EPL, is he being found out on the big stage?

caviardreams

Nani - what a match. Stepped up when Ronaldo went off. Delighted for Ronaldo and Portugal.

Kankan14

jayo26 wrote: »

Haha Ronaldo has to be seen to contributing no matter what

NANI is my man of the match.

As much as the theatrics annoy lots I think pepe was immense also. Like a brick wall.

jaykay74

Chuffed for Nani and Ronaldo

jayo26

Kankan14 wrote: »

As much as the theatrics annoy lots I think pepe was immense also. Like a brick wall.

Yhh pepe has had an excellent tournament too.

jharr100

jayo26 wrote: »

Yhh pepe has had an excellent tournament too.

Did he chunder onscreen there ?

Call Me Jimmy

Vic Vinegar wrote: »

Duncan Goodhew says....

https://twitter.com/DuncanCastles/status/752200080808083456

This part was a bit weird on Mata...


That's a lot of games out of the 90ish isn't it?

Happy with that if true

jayo26

Poor Ronaldo has a selective limp

beno619

Pogba shouldn't be commanding a fee similar to Ronaldo & Bale. He's just not that good.

Also wasn't impressed with the dissent shown to teammates after Eders goal.