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Mary Boyle cover up by mainstream media

  • 01-07-2016 5:31pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14


    All this rubbish about Eamon Cooke and Paul Kelly in the mainstream media is just to divert attention from the Gemma O Dorothy documentary about the Mary Boyle cover up that the mainstream media refuse to broadcast .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭racso1975




  • Subscribers Posts: 32,855 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    Who is Mary Boyle?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    All this rubbish about Eamon Cooke and Paul Kelly in the mainstream media is just to divert attention from the Gemma O Dorothy documentary about the Mary Boyle cover up that the mainstream media refuse to broadcast .

    Any details there?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,307 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Claims a conspiracy but doesn't give details about said conspiracy, OP must be part of the conspiracy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 513 ✭✭✭Two Tone


    What reasons would the media have for covering up the Mary Boyle case and on what do you base your assessment of the current Eamon Cooke allegations as rubbish? The Paul Kelly stuff is very real and serious, no?

    Oh wait, they've closed their account.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,325 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    If only the mainstream media reported on this stuff.

    Oh, look what the first google result for "mary Boyle" was...

    http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/mary-boyle-s-disappearance-and-the-40-year-fob-off-1.2637996

    Is that mainstream enough for you?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    I'm intrigued by the sheer number of short lived members like the OP who infest the radio forum then suddenly vanish or close their accounts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Ted111


    Gemma O'Doherty did great work on the Fr Molloy case - the most corrupt scandal in the history of the country. I see her documentary on Mary Boyle is on vimeo. It's not playing for me at the moment though. I wonder which tv station declined to show it?


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ted111 wrote: »
    Gemma O'Doherty did great work on the Fr Molloy case - the most corrupt scandal in the history of the country.
    Gemma O'Doherty was unfairly sacked by her employer, and this was finally acknowledged by her employer.

    But now she's latched onto every allegation of corruption that slithers out of the Sinn Fein press office, and every lachrymose complaint made by Mick Wallace, fine & principled man as he is, I'm sure.

    She's been shafted in the past, but she's not doing herself any favours by peddling so many conspiracy theories.

    The Father Molloy case, whatever truth there may be in it, is a magnet for Shinners and the disaffected folk over on Twitter and TheJournal.ie.

    Mary Boyle is just the new Father Molloy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    This is being talked about in conspiracy theories forum. There's some good info on the possible conspiracy. It's a sad case either way.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Ted111


    Gemma O'Doherty was unfairly sacked by her employer, and this was finally acknowledged by her employer.

    But now she's latched onto every allegation of corruption that slithers out of the Sinn Fein press office, and every lachrymose complaint made by Mick Wallace, fine & principled man as he is, I'm sure.

    She's been shafted in the past, but she's not doing herself any favours by peddling so many conspiracy theories.

    The Father Molloy case, whatever truth there may be in it, is a magnet for Shinners and the disaffected folk over on Twitter and TheJournal.ie.

    Mary Boyle is just the new Father Molloy.

    You're bringing sinn fein and wallace into this which I don't think is fair.
    I'd judge O'Doherty on her own work which seems to be pretty sound.
    The Fr Molloy case is not a conspiracy. The dishonesty and corruption is factual and on record.
    I'm not familiar with this missing person case but I think the documentary would be worth watching. If there was any incompetency or worse by state agencies or politicians in the past then it should be brought out into the light of day. Let it's truth or otherwise speak for itself. No conspiracies.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    5starpool wrote: »
    Who is Mary Boyle?

    Your wan off X factor....used work in tesco afaik???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    5starpool wrote: »
    Who is Mary Boyle?


    I thought it was yer one from X Factor a few years ago. Ya know the one that used to work at Tesco.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭bisset


    She was a child who disappeared,probably murdered . Not really something to joke about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 540 ✭✭✭GreatDefector


    Two Tone wrote: »
    What reasons would the media have for covering up the Mary Boyle case and on what do you base your assessment of the current Eamon Cooke allegations as rubbish? The Paul Kelly stuff is very real and serious, no?

    Oh wait, they've closed their account.

    He'll be back


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Susan's sister.

    Mary's more virgin. Obviously.

    Have some sensitivity ffs. Grow up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    All this rubbish about Eamon Cooke and Paul Kelly in the mainstream media is just to divert attention from the Gemma O Dorothy documentary about the Mary Boyle cover up that the mainstream media refuse to broadcast .

    Yeah that's why the whole thing about Paul Kelly/Console etc has hit the news and not because it's current or factual unlike Mary Boyle case which is nearly 30yrs old, is based on suspicion without an ounce of evidence.

    Don't forget to wear your tinfoil hat when you leave your house OP.


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ted111 wrote: »
    You're bringing sinn fein and wallace into this which I don't think is fair.
    Well the only people that are really passionate about a Mary Boyle 'cover-up' seem to be firmly anti-establishment republicans, cranks and cynics.

    I'm not saying there's no cover-up, it's just that when Doherty, and her followers, seem to believe in every supposed-cover-up going, it's time to be a little skeptical ourselves.

    It's a bit like the way conspiracy theorists never just believe in one conspiracy. They believe the whole lot of them. Jets can't melt steel beams, but they can drop chemtrails.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Ted111


    Well the only people that are really passionate about a Mary Boyle 'cover-up' seem to be firmly anti-establishment republicans, cranks and cynics.

    I'm not saying there's no cover-up, it's just that when Doherty, and her followers, seem to believe in every supposed-cover-up going, it's time to be a little skeptical ourselves.

    It's a bit like the way conspiracy theorists never just believe in one conspiracy. They believe the whole lot of them. Jets can't melt steel beams, but they can drop chemtrails.

    Where are you getting this Conspiracy thing from?
    What conspiracy?
    It's about having a look at an investigation gone wrong. And see can we find out why it went wrong.

    From a quick look at the case I see that the police involved in it state they were instructed repeatedly to not interview or go near their main suspect.

    That would seem to be an historic happening in Irish life that we might want to take a look at. No?

    Nobody is suggesting lizard people killed Mary before faking a moon landing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch




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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,789 ✭✭✭Alf Stewart.


    LorMal wrote: »
    Have some sensitivity ffs. Grow up.

    Sensitivity, to something I have never even once heard about, and going by the first page of replies, I am far from alone.

    Now, in saying that, had the OP have been started by a poster who didn't start the thread, and promptly close their account, I might not have assumed the thread was started by a troll, on a troll-fest.

    Is it my bad for not googling someone an assumed troll was harping on about?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Ted111 wrote: »
    From a quick look at the case I see that the police involved in it state they were instructed repeatedly to not interview or go near their main suspect.

    Have you more information on this?


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ted111 wrote: »
    From a quick look at the case I see that the police involved in it state they were instructed repeatedly to not interview or go near their main suspect.
    No, the conspiracy is in the supposed reasoning: a TD rang the Guards and "told them" not to arrest that suspect.

    There are plenty of reasons why suspects are not arrested, mostly lack of evidence, I assume.

    In my experience the same people who believe the Mary Boyle conspiracy theory also believe the Fr Molloy conspiracy theory, and believe every anti-Garda/ Garda corruption story going,they also believe that Denis O'Brien has a pair of horns, and treacherously declare (on the #liveline hashtag) that Enda Kenny is anally penetrated by Mrs A. Merkel on a regular basis.

    Fodder for the malcontents.

    “Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Ted111


    No, the conspiracy is in the supposed reasoning: a TD rang the Guards and "told them" not to arrest that suspect.

    [/I]

    You've now fallen back to saying my reasoning is faulty.

    That's a big climbdown from conspiracy.

    At least you've admitted it.


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ted111 wrote: »
    You've now fallen back to saying my reasoning is faulty.

    That's a big climbdown from conspiracy.

    At least you've admitted it.
    Oh no, it's a conspiracy theory alright. You were just denying that fact using a dodgy reason.

    What's your opinion on the Fr Molloy CT, out of interest?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Ted111


    So who's conspiring if it's as you say a conspiracy?


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ted111 wrote: »
    So who's conspiring if it's as you say a conspiracy?
    Usually in a conspiracy theory, the 'conspiring' is supposedly committed by a small group of people in authority. In these cases, it varies between judges, politicians, and Gardai.

    Basically, anyone that a sufficient number of people in society tend to have a grudge against.

    So will you now answer my question, do you similarly believe the Fr Molloy CT?

    Conspiracy Theories are like pringles. Once you pop, you truly cannot stop.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Ted111


    Usually in a conspiracy theory, the 'conspiring' is supposedly committed by a small group of people in authority. In these cases, it varies between judges, politicians, and Gardai.

    Basically, anyone that a sufficient number of people in society tend to have a grudge against.

    So will you now answer my question, do you similarly believe the Fr Molloy CT?

    Conspiracy Theories are like pringles. Once you pop, you truly cannot stop.


    Why don't you answer the question? Who do you say is conspiring in this case.
    You're the only one talking about conspiracies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    OMG, the Illuminati closed OPs account!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    For the confused:

    The disappearance of Mary Boyle is Ireland's oldest Missing Child case. She was six years old when she vanished and the mystery has never been solved.

    In March 1977, Mary Boyle, her twin sister, brother and parents were visiting her grandparents in Cashelard, near Ballyshannon, Co. Donegal. Her uncle, Gerry Gallagher, was returning a ladder to a neighbour's farm and spotted the child following him. He told her to return home, and she turned back. She was never seen again.

    It was at least an hour and probably a couple before it was noticed that Mary wasn't with her sister and cousins who were playing outside, and the uncle was back on the farm by the time the alarm was raised. There was a large-scale search, but nothing was found. Many people were interviewed (all voluntarily), but no-one was taken in.

    Recently, Mary's twin sister Ann, and a retired garda that worked on the case, came forward to say who they suspected had murdered the little girl. Murray, the garda, was interviewed in the subsequent documentary, saying that there was a cover-up, that he interviewed the man he was sure had taken her, and that he was told to back off. There was then a phone call from someone high up in the political establishment and the gardai were shooed off that lead in the case, on to hunting elsewhere. The man in question was never arrested.

    Mary's mother and sister have relentlessly worked on getting Mary's case reviewed, but have been pushed back towards the Garda Ombudsman and ...er...some group I don't recall the name of, but looks into police corruption and case reviews. They don't trust them, feeling they've been lead in circles by all involved.

    I assume that the conspiracy regarding Philip Cairns is that around the time that this documentary was coming out, the Cooke allegations have come out. Personally, I don't really believe that this is a deliberate act. The sudden resurgence of interest in the case of a missing child, especially with the connotations of paedophilia and cover-ups, would be far more likely to direct interest onto another case with similar accusations going around it. Then again, I have trouble believing the conspiracies (at least along the made-up lines) around the recent Cairns allegations, so take that as you will.

    I'm sure there are many points I've missed, like the Scottish police, and the psychics, but that's a general idea of the case.

    http://irelandtodaynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Mary-Boyle-sister-Ann-and-brother-Patrick.jpg She's the little girl in red on the left. Her twin is Ann on the right, and their brother Patrick in the middle.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭jca


    I thought it was your one the singer who won xfactor or some such show.... Just another dead end thread, nothing to see here folks...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,789 ✭✭✭Alf Stewart.


    bisset wrote: »
    She was a child who disappeared,probably murdered . Not really something to joke about.

    Not all of us knew that ffs.

    As already pointed out, the OP had next to no detail in it, by someone who almost instantly closed their account after creating the thread, so some of us (I did anyway) assume the thread was a trolling thread, and answered (or asked) who "Mary Boyle" was, made the Boyle/Susan connection.

    I noticed from the post above explaining who she was, and the events surrounding her disappearance happened in 1977.

    I wasn't even born then, so pardon my ignorance of something that I have never read or heard of before this very thread.

    The disappearance of a little girl is certainly not something I'd personally joke about (deliberately).

    All the more reason why some background, or substance to an OP should be mandatory.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    To be fair, it was a pretty awful first post to introduce the topic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 513 ✭✭✭Two Tone


    Ah here... Google is in its 19th year. "I never heard of them" really does not wash any more.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,789 ✭✭✭Alf Stewart.


    Two Tone wrote: »
    Ah here... Google is in its 19th year. "I never heard of them" really does not wash any more.

    Yawn.
    Try and be relevant elsewhere.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,154 ✭✭✭Dolbert


    Mary's mother and sister have relentlessly worked on getting Mary's case reviewed, but have been pushed back

    Interestingly, I recently read reports that Mary's mother is one of the people who categorically *doesn't* want this particular individual investigated, and doesn't support Ann's mission in this regard. Allegedly she even has it in her will that she doesn't want this line of enquiry to happen, even after her own death. I'm not saying it's true, but if so it certainly leaves some very troubling questions and indeed it does seem like she has threatened to sue the makers of the forthcoming documentary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Oh no, it's a conspiracy theory alright. You were just denying that fact using a dodgy reason.

    What's your opinion on the Fr Molloy CT, out of interest?

    A few might see it as a CT but you are being very dismissive for the family who have campaigned tirelessly for a new investigation for years. I can remember this case getting highlighted regularly the last 30 years or so. They fcuked up the investigation at the very least.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Putting stuff like that in a will should be an indicator for the Gardai to trigger an investigation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    Dolbert wrote: »
    Interestingly, I recently read reports that Mary's mother is one of the people who categorically *doesn't* want this particular individual investigated, and doesn't support Ann's mission in this regard. Allegedly she even has it in her will that she doesn't want this line of enquiry to happen, even after her own death. I'm not saying it's true, but if so it certainly leaves some very troubling questions and indeed it does seem like she has threatened to sue the makers of the forthcoming documentary.

    It is true and Mary's mother hasn't spoken to her daughter (Ann) for many years as a result of this difference of opinion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭donegaLroad


    bisset wrote: »
    She was a child who disappeared,probably murdered . Not really something to joke about.

    Not far from where I am originally from.

    My Dad was in the search party looking for her when she disappeared.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,154 ✭✭✭Dolbert


    The documentary "Mary Boyle: The Untold Story" will be shown on YouTube next Monday at 9:20pm according to Gemma O'Doherty's Twitter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    Not far from where I am originally from.

    My Dad was in the search party looking for her when she disappeared.

    Mine too. Ann came to our school temporarily while the search was ongoing and her family were all down in the ballyshannon area.


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ted111 wrote: »
    Why don't you answer the question? Who do you say is conspiring in this case.
    Ted, do you know the definition of a conspiracy theory?

    In a conspiracy theory, the 'conspiring' is the covert actions of individuals in positions of authority.

    I don't believe anybody is conspiring, but some people have a paranoid belief that there is a conspiracy, i.e. people formerly or presently in authority (Gardai and politicians) are conspiring to cover-up the abduction of a girl.

    I'd have more tolerance for this belief if the same people weren't spouting the exact same rubbish about other cases.
    K-9 wrote: »
    They fcuked up the investigation at the very least.
    That's arguable, but that's not the crux of the theory.

    I am talking about the widespread belief of political/judicial interference in a number of cases pursued by Gemma O' Doherty, including Fr Molloy's murder and the missing girl in this case.

    Gemma O'Doherty has an axe to grind with the Gardai. She had no real interest in these cases until she lost her job. And there are plenty of people on lowest-common-denominator websites like thejournal.ie who are only too happy to believe in widespread conspiracies.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Ted111


    Ted, do you know the definition of a conspiracy theory?

    In a conspiracy theory, the 'conspiring' is the covert actions of individuals in positions of authority.

    Now you’ve said that there is covert actions of individuals in positions of authority. Perhaps you know something I don’t. Nobody else said that in this thread.

    Two members of the investigation team said in written statements that they were directed not to interview their main suspect. I believe that it is in the public interest that we know why that instruction was given. No conspiracy is required. Perhaps there is a perfectly good reason as to why that instruction was given. Then once we know - all is well. No foul. Perhaps the reason is due to incompetence of a supervisor. We should know this. Or maybe a supervisor was having a mental breakdown. In short the question should be answered. There are a few more questions. Including why civilians were present in case conferences. In a healthy democracy we shouldn’t be afraid to ask questions. Often times we might get good answers. If we don’t then we can endeavor to improve and take people to task where warranted.

    In case you’ve been in a coma your whole life in this country we have discovered incompetence and dishonesty in our institutions and in public figures. We are the better for bringing these things out in the open instead of shutting down discussion as you are so exercised about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Ted111 wrote: »
    Two members of the investigation team said in written statements that they were directed not to interview their main suspect. I believe that it is in the public interest that we know why that instruction was given. No conspiracy is required. Perhaps there is a perfectly good reason as to why that instruction was given.

    Where did you read about this fact?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Ted111


    Where did you read about this fact?

    The two lads are sitting here with me. They say it's true. Your move.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Ted111 wrote: »
    Now you’ve said that there is covert actions of individuals in positions of authority. Perhaps you know something I don’t. Nobody else said that in this thread.

    That...is absolutely not what they said. Are you making a conspiracy theory out of the explanation of the term "conspiracy theory"?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Ted111


    Samaris wrote: »
    That...is absolutely not what they said. Are you making a conspiracy theory out of the explanation of the term "conspiracy theory"?

    I never said that a secret cabal was manipulating events but whatshisname spent about ten posts trying to straw man that one. My point being only he was talking about conspiracies and hidden influences. I was talking about having an interest some unusual aspects to this investigation and in finding answers to those. I don't see why that's causing such consternation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Ted111 wrote: »
    The two lads are sitting here with me. They say it's true. Your move.

    Is it a secret?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Ted111


    Is it a secret?

    Would their original statements be ok. I can drop them around to your house. We could hold an Independent Judicial Enquiry in your kitchen.


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