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Galway City Council removing Claddagh Jewellers mural today Sat 2nd Jul 2016

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    #32
    Speedwell
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    gordongekko wrote: »
    If they were racist comments on the wall would we feel the same or would we say should there not be planning laws covering these type of things?

    There weren't any racist comments on the wall in this case.


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    #33
    gordongekko
    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    Speedwell wrote: »
    There weren't any racist comments on the wall in this case.

    Rules are the rules


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    #34
    biko
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    It's not the same at all. Murals are not graffiti nor tags.
    Taaffe's shop used to have graffiti but it was pretty nice imo, it was removed.

    This one at the Sparch was very good
    7ea601e7636389d2974eee0a61e20dd4.jpg

    For me this particular Claddagh Jewellers mural was nice but not "special" in any sense.
    Hopefully they will put up a nice 2020 mural now.


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    #35
    Speedwell
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    gordongekko wrote: »
    Rules are the rules

    Are you OK?


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    #36
    gordongekko
    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    Speedwell wrote: »
    Are you OK?

    What does that mean?


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    #37
    BeardySi
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    gordongekko wrote: »
    If they were racist comments on the wall would we feel the same or would we say should there not be planning laws covering these type of things?
    Not to mention the fact that there are laws covering that sort of thing...
    In a city known for its colourful bright and arty ways it fitted in perfectly (as did the one on the shoe shop btw). The state of Taafes, the state of the paving, the empty units and the hordes of sandwich board holders at each junction are all far more detrimental to the streetscape. With the modern shopfronts the length of shop Street it's not exactly an historical scene and the mural on the jeweller's is exactly the kind of thingthing that should be encouraged to set Galway apart from every other copy/paste chain store high street in the country.


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    #38
    _Whimsical_
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    Treadhead wrote: »
    Not to mention the fact that there are laws covering that sort of thing...
    In a city known for its colourful bright and arty ways it fitted in perfectly (as did the one on the shoe shop btw). The state of Taafes, the state of the paving, the empty units and the hordes of sandwich board holders at each junction are all far more detrimental to the streetscape. With the modern shopfronts the length of shop Street it's not exactly an historical scene and the mural on the jeweller's is exactly the kind of thingthing that should be encouraged to set Galway apart from every other copy/paste chain store high street in the country.

    I agree that the place looks dreadful right now and it'd be a cheap way to individualise what now looks like a dingy backstreet in Manchester. I suppose you can't rely on all business owners to have the taste to do something that won't be garish and awful though, or on council to approve something that'll be appropriate either. It would need to be an art driven movement, if it was it could be fantastic. It could be trialled for a few years and gotten rid of of it wasn't a success too, it's not like a permanent commitment.


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    #39
    pure.conya
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    gordongekko wrote: »
    If they were racist comments on the wall would we feel the same or would we say should there not be planning laws covering these type of things?

    IF my aunty had balls she'd be my uncle


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    #40
    gordongekko
    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    pure.conya wrote: »
    IF my aunty had balls she'd be my uncle

    Is that in anyways relevant?


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    #41
    BeardySi
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    gordongekko wrote: »
    pure.conya wrote: »
    IF my aunty had balls she'd be my uncle

    Is that in anyways relevant?

    About as relevant as straw men and racist slogans...


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    #42
    pure.conya
    Registered Users Posts: 904 ✭✭✭pure.conya


    gordongekko wrote: »
    Is that in anyways relevant?

    It's as relevant as your what if'ery


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    #43
    gordongekko
    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    pure.conya wrote: »
    IF my aunty had balls she'd be my uncle
    Treadhead wrote: »
    About as relevant as straw men and racist slogans...
    pure.conya wrote: »
    It's as relevant as your what if'ery

    So to hell with the rules and we can just put whatever we want on the wall on shop street?


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    #44
    Speedwell
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    gordongekko wrote: »
    So to hell with the rules and we can just put whatever we want on the wall on shop street?

    Well, no. But there's a critical difference between beautiful artwork that improves the look of a property and its neighborhood, and racist vandalism that ruins it.


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    #45
    gordongekko
    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    Speedwell wrote: »
    Well, no. But there's a critical difference between beautiful artwork that improves the look of a property and its neighborhood, and racist vandalism that ruins it.

    One person's art is another racism hence the rules.


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    #46
    Speedwell
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    gordongekko wrote: »
    One person's art is another racism hence the rules.

    So, you're saying that you don't understand the difference?


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    #47
    gordongekko
    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    Speedwell wrote: »
    So, you're saying that you don't understand the difference?

    No I'm saying I like the mural but if it's against the rules it must be removed. Maybe we should campaign for the rules to be changed.


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    #48
    FortySeven
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    Speedwell wrote: »
    Well, no. But there's a critical difference between beautiful artwork that improves the look of a property and its neighborhood, and racist vandalism that ruins it.

    I find the whole claddagh ring thing a bit tourist tacky and never liked the drawing on the wall. It was not beautiful. It was advertising. I agree the new blue looks rubbish too but I'm sure the owners will clean it up.


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    #49
    Mrs OBumble
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    _Whimsical_ wrote: »
    I quite liked the giant leg on the ladies shoe shop up near Lazlo which was removed for the same reason,I like this too, but I could see it getting out of hand if it became acceptable for everyone to do it with no regulation on style or maintenance of those works.

    Except it wasn't removed.

    Photo taken today:

    https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/115678/390575.jpg

    Pretty dodgy IMHO for the rules to say that plants and Claddagh rings aren't ok, but soft-porn is.


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    #50
    FortySeven
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    Soft porn? They're doing it wrong unless I can see up her skirt when holding my head against the wall. Will have to try tomorrow. :)


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    #51
    _Whimsical_
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Pretty dodgy IMHO for the rules to say that plants and Claddagh rings aren't ok, but soft-porn is.

    Well... someone is easily aroused! :D

    God though, I've passed that and I was sure that was gone, I heard it was to be taken down by the council and the owners were very upset.
    Personally I like it, it's at least artistic,visually pleasing and kind of unusual!
    Of course though obviously my eyesight isn't as good as I thought. :)


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    #52
    ChunkyLover54
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    Anyone remember the Jim Morrison mural that used to be on Mainguard Street? Better yet does anyone have a photo of that mural?....


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    #53
    Pulsating Star
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    [QUOTE=_Whimsical_;100231840I suppose you can't rely on all business owners to have the taste to do something that won't be garish and awful though,.[/QUOTE]

    which I thought this was......garish and awful that is.
    The shoe shop artwork I quite like though.


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    #54
    pure.conya
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    gordongekko wrote: »
    So to hell with the rules and we can just put whatever we want on the wall on shop street?

    I'm struggling to believe somebody can be so submissive to "the rules". Who's we by the way?

    It's interesting that once again you're engaging in hypotheticals and asking if we can put whatever we want on shop street. What we are actually talking about here is Claddagh Jewellers commissioning a passive piece of artwork on their established busy shop front. In the current climate of Galway trying to impress the judge's in the coming days to get the capital of culture, the city council went through with removing it now, leaving it looking plain and out of place.

    No criminal damage involved, no graffiti or ugly tags in sight, nobody hurt or the tone of area brought down, nobody put out in any way. The very fact the mural was photographed so much by visiters to the city should have been enough reason to have left the offending piece alone and be thankful for the proprieter having dove such a good job at brightening that particular corner up at their own expense.


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    #55
    gordongekko
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    pure.conya wrote: »
    I'm struggling to believe somebody can be so submissive to "the rules". Who's we by the way?

    It's interesting that once again you're engaging in hypotheticals and asking if we can put whatever we want on shop street. What we are actually talking about here is Claddagh Jewellers commissioning a passive piece of artwork on their established busy shop front. In the current climate of Galway trying to impress the judge's in the coming days to get the capital of culture, the city council went through with removing it now, leaving it looking plain and out of place.

    No criminal damage involved, no graffiti or ugly tags in sight, nobody hurt or the tone of area brought down, nobody put out in any way. The very fact the mural was photographed so much by visiters to the city should have been enough reason to have left the offending piece alone and be thankful for the proprieter having dove such a good job at brightening that particular corner up at their own expense.


    Complete rubbish. They broke the rules. The council are enforcing the rules. How pretty or how many times it was photographed is irrelevant.


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    #56
    Wompa1
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    It's gone now but if this gets people on the backs of the city council at least some good will come from it. I was back in Galway for a week around the start of June. The city is in a heap. It's very sad to see.

    At the time they were relaying grass in Eyre Square. Buildings were falling into disrepair. The arthouse cinema is an absolute eyesore. You come into the city and the first thing you see is the old Corrib Great Southern with broken out windows and burn markings. When you pass the park by Bon Secours there's graffiti...then when you get closer to Lough Atalia there's more graffiti out by the train tracks. Salthill is a complete sh1t show altogether!

    It's not just the city council at fault though (but they are probably the most at fault)....Galway seems to have an issue with residents having no pride in the place at all. Also people going into the city from other parts of the county or country don't too. Pick up after yourselves, pick up after your dogs. Don't puke on the streets, don't p1ss on the streets.

    When I saw that video of the Irish supporters in France picking up their litter, my first thought wasn't good for them. It was, oh they know any good deed by the Irish supporters will go viral so they are trying to get noticed because they sure as sh1te don't do it at home.

    The Spanish Arch is a disaster zone at times. Yee carried the f'cking bottles and cans to the place, if the bins are full just carry them back with yee to wherever you're going. Filthy animals!


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    #57
    snubbleste
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    Wompa1 wrote: »
    It's gone now but if this gets people on the backs of the city council at least some good will come from it. I was back in Galway for a week around the start of June. The city is in a heap. It's very sad to see.
    At the time they were relaying grass in Eyre Square. Buildings were falling into disrepair. The arthouse cinema is an absolute eyesore. You come into the city and the first thing you see is the old Corrib Great Southern with broken out windows and burn markings. When you pass the park by Bon Secours there's graffiti...then when you get closer to Lough Atalia there's more graffiti out by the train tracks. Salthill is a complete sh1t show altogether!
    It's not just the city council at fault though (but they are probably the most at fault)....Galway seems to have an issue with residents having no pride in the place at all. Also people going into the city from other parts of the county or country don't too. Pick up after yourselves, pick up after your dogs. Don't puke on the streets, don't p1ss on the streets.
    When I saw that video of the Irish supporters in France picking up their litter, my first thought wasn't good for them. It was, oh they know any good deed by the Irish supporters will go viral so they are trying to get noticed because they sure as sh1te don't do it at home.
    The Spanish Arch is a disaster zone at times. Yee carried the f'cking bottles and cans to the place, if the bins are full just carry them back with yee to wherever you're going. Filthy animals!
    Can you tweet all that to City Hall?


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    #58
    pure.conya
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    gordongekko wrote: »
    Complete rubbish. They broke the rules. The council are enforcing the rules. How pretty or how many times it was photographed is irrelevant.

    There really isn't any point in trying to get through to such a subservient individual. It's crazy how some of us have been completely and utterly taken in by the notion that rules can never ever be broken

    Will i let you in on a secret Gordon?


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    #59
    Tell me how
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    As a non-Galwegian who visits the city 5-10 times a year, it lately (last couple years) strikes me as a place which is living on its former reputation for attracting tourists.

    As previously mentioned, the Great Southern and my own personal bugbear, Eyre Square, has me thinking a lot of visitors must be nonplussed with the aesthetics of the city.

    I'm just back from Brussels where such street art as that removed here is celebrated and forms part of the attraction of the city.

    I understand the need for guidelines "rules" but how difficult in a city such as a Galway would it be to have an "arts council" to adjudicate on such offerings and to recognize that there are murals which are different to graffiti.


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    #60
    biko
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    pure.conya wrote: »
    There really isn't any point in trying to get through to such a subservient individual. It's crazy how some of us have been completely and utterly taken in by the notion that rules can never ever be broken

    Will i let you in on a secret Gordon?


    Everyone, cop on. Having petty digs and arguments like this is only going to wreck thread and get it locked.

    A bit of civility and courtesy goes a long way on boards, as in life.


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    #61
    Storm 10
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    I walked up town last night and the blue looks s..te as does the former Taff's building, City of Culture my ass


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