TUF 23 Finale: Team Joanna v Team Claudia (Includes TUF 23 Spoilers)

Mellor

John_D80 wrote: »

As scored by the media.

Looks all very standard. Joanna won 3 rounds, a lot of people gave her a 10-8. I think that was clearly the right score. Certainly don't get the supposed controversy people are making out.

Devastator

Great fight! JJ looked like she could go another 5 rounds :eek:

I gave the 1st 3 rounds to Claudia, she had the TDs but I also thought her striking was better than JJ early on. Yeah JJ threw more but the shots that looked like they hurt went to Claudia, she knocker her on her hole in the first few 2nds and had a good elbow which I thought looked like a knock down aswell. She was countering JJs striking well but ran out of steam. Obviously JJ won the last 2 rounds but both 10-8s? I'm not sure about that myself. Yeah JJ outstruck Claudia completely but it didn't look like the total domination with near finishes that I'd expect from 10-8rds. I'm not disagreeing with the result, I thought at the end that I wouldn't want to be a judge in it! Just think the 2 10-8s are a bit weird. Close fight, great fight, 2 tough gals

If Claudia had better cardio I think she was winning that. I didn't expect JJ to show any humility in winning but she conducted herself well....whereas Claudia couldn't resist another little bitch at the very end :pac:

Well the first 2 chapters of this story was very good, looking forward to the 3rd now


I fell asleep during the card, missed last pre lim and 1st few fights on main card. Is it worth going back to watch them(not Gray Maynard, his fights aren't usually very exciting). How was the Pearson Brooks fight? Any good?

Mellor

Devastator wrote: »

Obviously JJ won the last 2 rounds but both 10-8s? I'm not sure about that myself. Yeah JJ outstruck Claudia completely but it didn't look like the total domination with near finishes that I'd expect from 10-8rds.

Only one scorecard had two 10-8s, the 4th.

Something thing I've noticed is that judges are less likely to score another 10-8 after they've already given one. (For people saying the 5th was more deserving of a 10-8)

Also you don't need near finishes fir a 10-8. It helps sure, but not s requirement.
Funny you said "total domination", as that's actually the criteria for a 10-7 round.

Devastator

Mellor wrote: »

Also you don't need near finishes fir a 10-8. It helps sure, but not s requirement.
Funny you said "total domination", as that's actually the criteria for a 10-7 round.

Thats why I said what "I expect".....in my judging expertise ya know

Im not a big fan of 10-8rds so for me I'd like to see at least 75-80% of the rd being dominated by the fighter with a possible near finish(good knock down from strike or near subbing).

Has there ever been a 10-7rd awarded in UFC? I don't remember any but if 1 fighter is that far ahead I wouldn't really expect it to get to judges

martyos121

Devastator wrote: »

Thats why I said what "I expect".....in my judging expertise ya know

Im not a big fan of 10-8rds so for me I'd like to see at least 75-80% of the rd being dominated by the fighter with a possible near finish(good knock down from strike or near subbing).

Has there ever been a 10-7rd awarded in UFC? I don't remember any but if 1 fighter is that far ahead I wouldn't really expect it to get to judges

If Gray Maynard didn't get a 10-7 against Frankie a few years back, they don't exist in the UFC. That's my take on it anyway.

Mellor

Devastator wrote: »

Im not a big fan of 10-8rds so for me I'd like to see at least 75-80% of the rd being dominated by the fighter with a possible near finish(good knock down from strike or near subbing).

You're not a fan. Surprised at that. Why not?
I'm a huge fan, and we need more imo. The idea that winning a round is always worth 1pt (10-9) no matter what the margin is incredibly flawed for me. A bigger margin deserves a bonus.
Also an imperceivable margin should be 10-10, not just pick a winner at random.

More draws is better than more ****ty split decisions.

Has there ever been a 10-7rd awarded in UFC? I don't remember any but if 1 fighter is that far ahead I wouldn't really expect it to get to judges

There have been, but not many. Texiera v Maldonaldo maybe, did that reach the judges?

Devastator

Mellor wrote: »

You're not a fan. Surprised at that. Why not?
I'm a huge fan, and we need more imo. The idea that winning a round is always worth 1pt (10-9) no matter what the margin is incredibly flawed for me. A bigger margin deserves a bonus.
Also an imperceivable margin should be 10-10, not just pick a winner at random.

More draws is better than more ****ty split decisions.


There have been, but not many. Texiera v Maldonaldo maybe, did that reach the judges?

Maybe saying Im not a fan of 10-8s isn't accurate, maybe saying I'm not a fan of the current scoring system would be better. I agree with you about the 10-10s and possible draws. Quite a lot of time its very difficult to see differences in the rounds. Often made more difficult to score if you are betting and have some sort of emotion (then financial )attachment to the fight. Teixera Maldonaldo was stopped between rds wasn't it? Great fight too

The Juicer

What a crap event that was. I almost choked on my toast with boredom. Fingers crossed for tonight, but I wouldn't hold out much hope.

Utter **** from UFC again.

Mellor

Devastator wrote: »

Teixera Maldonaldo was stopped between rds wasn't it? Great fight too

Yeah you are right, Doctor stopped it. I remember he only hung on for bell. But it must have been the 2nd round. That was a 10-7 for me as it should have clearly been stopped.

jimmii

martyos121 wrote: »

First two rounds for Claudia, as well as the third. Then a 10-8 for Joanna in the 4th followed by a 10-9 in the 5th. It wouldn't have been the most controversial thing ever if that was the outcome because Joanna would retain her title but the judges 100% got it right.

Not doubt it's possible but seeing the fight as a draw seems a bit of a stretch is all.

Mellor

jimmii wrote: »

Not doubt it's possible but seeing the fight as a draw seems a bit of a stretch is all.

Which part do you think is a stretch. The 10-8 for Joanna, or Rd 3 for Claudia? I'm think the latter, but not sure.

Most of the media scores are the same as the judges. More posters here sound like they gave Claudia rd3

Devastator

Mellor wrote: »

Yeah you are right, Doctor stopped it. I remember he only hung on for bell. But it must have been the 2nd round. That was a 10-7 for me as it should have clearly been stopped.

Found out from google that Quarry/Starnes from UFC83 had a 30-24 score from 1 judge, so must have been a 10-7 in that. I can't recall the fight off the top of my head to say. Other judges scored it 30-26 & 30-27

jimmii

Mellor wrote: »

Which part do you think is a stretch. The 10-8 for Joanna, or Rd 3 for Claudia? I'm think the latter, but not sure.

Most of the media scores are the same as the judges. More posters here sound like they gave Claudia rd3

Maybe I put too much into the striking difference I thought rd3 was definitely for JJ she was hopping out of the takedowns pretty quickly and obviously had a big edge in the striking.

xtal191

Gadelha via KO/TKO

Great fight, delighted Joanna won.

So who would be next for a shot? Maybe the winner of Rose and Karolina Kowalkiewicz?

John_D80

Gadelha via Decision

Devastator wrote: »

Found out from google that Quarry/Starnes from UFC83 had a 30-24 score from 1 judge, so must have been a 10-7 in that. I can't recall the fight off the top of my head to say. Other judges scored it 30-26 & 30-27

30-24 could be three 10-8's couldn't it? Or is my maths off? *

*wouldn't be the first time

Devastator

John_D80 wrote: »

30-24 could be three 10-8's couldn't it? Or is my maths off? *

*wouldn't be the first time

No your maths is not wrong, but it could also be 2 10-7s & a 10-10....but the most likely scenario would be 10-9,10-8 & 10-7 rds

John_D80

Gadelha via Decision

Devastator wrote: »

No your maths is not wrong, but it could also be 2 10-7s & a 10-10....but the most likely scenario would be 10-9,10-8 & 10-7 rds

Had a look at the sherdog play by play for this fight. All three sherdog guys scored it 30-27. Whoever that judge was must have been related to quarry!!

johnpatrick81

Wanted Claudia to win, but Joanna definitely was the winner in my eyes.

8-10
9-10
10-9
10-9(maybe even 10-8)
10-8 IMO

The state of them at the end told a major story. Claudia exhausted and punchdrunk. Joanna could have gone 5 more. Very impressive.

Call Me Jimmy

OMFG fight pass video wouldnt allow me to skip ahead (for the second day in a row), fine i says I'll watch every fight. Get to the gadelha fight, hit fullscreen and it goes back to the start... FFS

jcd5971

Mellor wrote:

Edit: I disagree with the result but pretty easy to see how somebody arrived there. A poster here had the same scorecard.

Me lol, it was a weird fight Joanna looked way better but I still scored it that way

xtal191

Gadelha via KO/TKO

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

OMFG fight pass video wouldnt allow me to skip ahead (for the second day in a row), fine i says I'll watch every fight. Get to the gadelha fight, hit fullscreen and it goes back to the start... FFS

Its a joke, was doing my head in yesterday

jcd5971

xtal191 wrote:

Its a joke, was doing my head in yesterday

Log onto fightpass click menu in top left click fightpass then previous events click jj vs Claudia. It will then start the broadcast but ignore that scroll down a bit instead to the fightcard click a drop down arrow it will show all fights on card and a option to "watch" beside each fight, this will skip to the fight you want.



And yes that is ridiculously complicated welcome to FightPass.

Mellor

Devastator wrote: »

Found out from google that Quarry/Starnes from UFC83 had a 30-24 score from 1 judge, so must have been a 10-7 in that. I can't recall the fight off the top of my head to say. Other judges scored it 30-26 & 30-27

That's probably a 10-7, but impossible to know for sure.

This one for sure;
Forrest Petz def. Sam Morgan Decision (unanimous) (30–27, 30–26, 30–23)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night_6

Paully D

I haven't read any reaction at all to the fight and have just caught up with it now.

I scored it 48-47 to Gadelha (I gave her rounds 1, 2 and just about 3) but would be okay with 48-47 to Joanna either (rounds 3, 4 and 5). I'd be fine with a 10-8 for Gadelha in round 1 due to the knockdown, but don't think there's enough for a 10-8 in any other round.

What's the general consensus?

Call Me Jimmy

jcd5971 wrote: »

Log onto fightpass click menu in top left click fightpass then previous events click jj vs Claudia. It will then start the broadcast but ignore that scroll down a bit instead to the fightcard click a drop down arrow it will show all fights on card and a option to "watch" beside each fight, this will skip to the fight you want.



And yes that is ridiculously complicated welcome to FightPass.

Oh right, that's correct thanks, ill know for the future. The embedded one in the video didnt work

Devastator

Mellor wrote: »

That's probably a 10-7, but impossible to know for sure.

This one for sure;
Forrest Petz def. Sam Morgan Decision (unanimous) (30–27, 30–26, 30–23)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night_6

Came across this little site, so if you think of any others check them out

http://mmadecisions.com/

Gives judges scores for a lot of fights but only round breakdowns for more recent events. Pretty good for checking out a certain judges' history aswell, eg checking scores for the judge who gave 30-27 against 2x 28-29 scores on the RDA/Alvarez card....good to see out of recent fights that seems to be a 1 off crazy score from that guy.

Call Me Jimmy

Paully D wrote: »

I haven't read any reaction at all to the fight and have just caught up with it now.

I scored it 48-47 to Gadelha (I gave her rounds 1, 2 and just about 3) but would be okay with 48-47 to Joanna either (rounds 3, 4 and 5). I'd be fine with a 10-8 for Gadelha in round 1 due to the knockdown, but don't think there's enough for a 10-8 in any other round.

What's the general consensus?

Felt Gadelha had the first two rounds (not sure about a 10-8 there), the third i'd have to watch again, but the last two definitely joanna's, although i'm not sure she got a 10-8 either. I was blown away by Joanna's cardio, gadalha was dead on her feet! Joanna was teeing off in the last 2 rounds. Great fight though

Call Me Jimmy

Loved watching choi, as soon as i saw him smiling at the weigh ins i was thinking

he was so relaxed in the cage

Mellor

Joanna landed more significant strikes in Round 4 (69) than Claudia did the entire fight (63)

darced

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Paully D

Anyone else think Gadelha's cardio was poor? She was in trouble in terms of cardio after 2 rounds and dead on her feet after the 3rd, but I guess her body type and game plan aren't best matched to championship rounds and an opponent who looked like she could still be fighting now without tiring.

Gadelha must be so frustrated. She beat Joanna in the first fight for sure and would have had her hand raised last night over 3 rounds, yet has 2 L's and it's difficult to make that fight again for the UFC for the foreseeable future.

We all know by now that you can never say never in this sport but it's hard to see Joanna being dethroned for a long time. Namajunas might be best placed via a submission if she gets past Kowalkiewicz, but the chances of getting close enough to Joanna to execute it without getting KO'd are bleak.

Gamebred

For as good a striker Joanna is Cardio played a huge part in that win, claudia wasnt being outclassed for the first 3 rounds actually surprised me with some nice elbows and right hands over the top,cardio is king.

Paully D

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

OMFG fight pass video wouldnt allow me to skip ahead (for the second day in a row), fine i says I'll watch every fight. Get to the gadelha fight, hit fullscreen and it goes back to the start... FFS

The same happened for me with the two events over the previous couple of days, but when I tried it again in the evening it was fine. I guess it just takes them a bit of time to get that working.

A hint - if you have the app on your phone it works a treat and allows you to skip ahead. As mentioned above it wouldn't allow me to do so via my computer, but worked perfectly on my phone and that was at 7am.

jimmii

jcd5971 wrote: »

Log onto fightpass click menu in top left click fightpass then previous events click jj vs Claudia. It will then start the broadcast but ignore that scroll down a bit instead to the fightcard click a drop down arrow it will show all fights on card and a option to "watch" beside each fight, this will skip to the fight you want.

And yes that is ridiculously complicated welcome to FightPass.

Even that wouldn't work for me when trying to go through Thursdays fights it was driving me crazy! I ended up watching fights on my phone much easier to navigate on mobile bizarrely they should put the mobile team on to the website!

darced

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jcd5971

Call Me Jimmy wrote:

Oh right, that's correct thanks, ill know for the future. The embedded one in the video didnt work

No bother and believe it or not this is the streamlined version it used to be even more complicated

jcd5971

Paully D wrote:

Anyone else think Gadelha's cardio was poor? She was in trouble in terms of cardio after 2 rounds and dead on her feet after the 3rd, but I guess her body type and game plan aren't best matched to championship rounds and an opponent who looked like she could still be fighting now without tiring.

I thought it was shocking cardio.

jcd5971

jimmii wrote:

Even that wouldn't work for me when trying to go through Thursdays fights it was driving me crazy! I ended up watching fights on my phone much easier to navigate on mobile bizarrely they should put the mobile team on to the website!

The whole system is ponderous to be honest

jimmii

jcd5971 wrote: »

The whole system is ponderous to be honest

It really is. Hopefully it's something that is sorted out "if" the sale happens. You would have to think anyone buying would look at it as being a revenue stream that has been underutilised to date.

xtal191

Gadelha via KO/TKO

jimmii wrote: »

Even that wouldn't work for me when trying to go through Thursdays fights it was driving me crazy! I ended up watching fights on my phone much easier to navigate on mobile bizarrely they should put the mobile team on to the website!

Wouldn't work for me either, had to download it in the end.

jimmii

xtal191 wrote: »

Wouldn't work for me either, had to download it in the end.

With all the really good platforms to base it on you would think getting a decent system in place would be easy enough for such a big organisation!