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Prison Officer Recruitment 2016

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    #1112
    raze_them_all_
    Registered Users Posts: 6,744 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    Colette1982 wrote: »
    Hi folks. Just wondering about medical and wearing glasses? Is it a major issue or anything?

    must have uncorrected vision of 6/20 iirc


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    #1113
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Bentley17 wrote: »
    But it should be equally difficult. As it stands the test is much easier for young males than it is for older females therefore it's not an equal test.

    Gender quotas are dumb. The test is uniform. It's the same for everyone. It's actually antidiscriminatory by its very nature. It's also very passable if you aren't an overly obese individual. Ridiculous postings.


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    #1114
    Bentley17
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭Bentley17


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Gender quotas are dumb. The test is uniform. It's the same for everyone. It's actually antidiscriminatory by its very nature. It's also very passable if you aren't an overly obese individual. Ridiculous postings.

    Do you agreed that men and women are physically different?


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    #1115
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Irrelevant.

    Look the test, which I've completed and passed, is p*ss easy and anyone that is in any way fit or basically able to jog a small bit will breeze it. If you need certain standards lowered to accomodate people, you're not emplying the best man or woman for the job. There are plenty of women in the job that would run circles around me by the way. Quotas are dumb and thankfully not used in the Prison Service.


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    #1116
    raze_them_all_
    Registered Users Posts: 6,744 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    Bentley17 wrote: »
    Do you agreed that men and women are physically different?

    If you are an area of the prison being assaulted, would you rather an officer who can run there quickly and get the offender off you, or someone with life experience being able to talk to you over the radio?


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    #1117
    Bentley17
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭Bentley17


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Irrelevant.

    Look the test, which I've completed and passed, is p*ss easy and anyone that is in any way fit or basically able to jog a small bit will breeze it. If you need certain standards lowered to accomodate people, you're not emplying the best man or woman for the job. There are plenty of women in the job that would run circles around me by the way. Quotas are dumb and thankfully not used in the Prison Service.
    Can you answer the question?


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    #1118
    Bentley17
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭Bentley17


    raze_them_all_ wrote: »
    If you are an area of the prison being assaulted, would you rather an officer who can run there quickly and get the offender off you, or someone with life experience being able to talk to you over the radio?

    Can you answer the question?


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    #1119
    kirving
    Registered Users Posts: 5,979 ✭✭✭kirving


    Bentley17 wrote: »
    Can you answer the question?

    Men and women are absolutely physically different, of course.

    However, you are completely missing the point if you believe that a pass/fail physical test should pose the same level of "difficulty" to different individuals.

    The point is to prove that you are physically capable of doing the job safely and effectively, meeting to be honest bare minimum requirements. It isn't a game show where your winnings depend on how fast you can run or how much you can lift.


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    #1120
    Bentley17
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭Bentley17


    Kevin Irving wrote: »
    Men and women are absolutely physically different, of course.

    However, you are completely missing the point if you believe that a pass/fail physical test should pose the same level of "difficulty" to different individuals.

    The point is to prove that you are physically capable of doing the job safely and effectively, meeting to be honest bare minimum requirements. It isn't a game show where your winnings depend on how fast you can run or how much you can lift.
    Thank you for answering the question. We have now established that they are physically different, which proves my point that the test discriminates against women & older men.


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    #1121
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Bentley17 wrote: »
    Can you answer the question?

    I did. I answered it by saying token quotas don't work if you're looking for the best equipped people for the job. There's a standard to meet and that's that. On a side note, I'm a serving prison officer with 10 years of experience. I've a fair idea what I'm talking about what it comes to this line of work.


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    #1122
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Bentley17 wrote: »
    Thank you for answering the question. We have now established that they are physically different, which proves my point that the test discriminates against women & older men.

    Does it discriminate against people in wheelchairs and/or blind people?


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    #1123
    Indricotherium
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭Indricotherium


    Bentley17 wrote: »
    Thank you for answering the question. We have now established that they are physically different, which proves my point that the test discriminates against women & older men.

    The fitness level required to pass the test is modest, age and gender are no barriers to passing it.


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    #1124
    Bentley17
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭Bentley17


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I did. I answered it by saying token quotas don't work if you're looking for the best equipped people for the job. There's a standard to meet and that's that. On a side note, I'm a serving prison officer with 10 years of experience. I've a fair idea what I'm talking about what it comes to this line of work.
    I wouldn’t agree with token/gender quotas either, but I do think the ips is leaving itself open to legal challenges as other government bodies (Garda/army) do recognise that it would be discrimination, that is why they have different levels of Pct for different groups even when everyone is doing the same job,


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    #1125
    kirving
    Registered Users Posts: 5,979 ✭✭✭kirving


    Bentley17 wrote: »
    Thank you for answering the question. We have now established that they are physically different, which proves my point that the test discriminates against women & older men.

    No it doesn't. If the test is identical for men and women, it is absolutely as fair as it can be.


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    #1126
    Bentley17
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭Bentley17


    Kevin Irving wrote: »
    No it doesn't. If the test is identical for men and women, it is absolutely as fair as it can be.

    The p in pct stands for physical, as men & women are physically different they require a different physical test to be “fair”.


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    #1127
    Leo Demidov
    Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭Leo Demidov


    Bentley17 wrote: »
    The p in pct stands for physical, as men & women are physically different they require a different physical test to be “fair”.

    Aw, its not fair!

    I think this troll has been fed enough at this stage.

    Perhaps you should consider taking a case against IPS for discrimination, I presume you plan on failing PCT

    Best of luck with whatever you end up doing in life, I'm sure some employer is actively recruiting for a nonsensical whinger.


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    #1128
    kirving
    Registered Users Posts: 5,979 ✭✭✭kirving


    No they don't have to be different. It is a minimum standard required for you own and everyone elses safety. To be honest, it's a pretty low bar. If you can't pass it, it's not the job for you.

    Let's assume that the test as it stands for everyone (men and women) was determined based off minimum requirements that women needed to achieve. The fact that men easily pass this minimum requirement is irrelevant.

    Do you think that the difficulty of the test should be unnecessarily increased in order to fail men who would otherwise pass? Doesn't sound very equal to me. Remember, this is the bare minimum requirement, men and women are not being compared here, it is a pass or fail test.


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    #1129
    Bentley17
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭Bentley17


    wexfjord wrote: »
    Aw, its not fair!

    I think this troll has been fed enough at this stage.

    Perhaps you should consider taking a case against IPS for discrimination, I presume you plan on failing PCT

    Best of luck with whatever you end up doing in life, I'm sure some employer is actively recruiting for a nonsensical whinger.
    Boo hoo snowflake ❄️😭


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    #1130
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Bentley17 wrote: »
    I wouldn’t agree with token/gender quotas either, but I do think the ips is leaving itself open to legal challenges as other government bodies (Garda/army) do recognise that it would be discrimination, that is why they have different levels of Pct for different groups even when everyone is doing the same job,

    Say there's a 19 Stone prisoner and he is barricaded into a cell that's on fire. Imagine he loses his life because the person that responded wasn't physically capable of moving him but they passed him/her through the test because they didn't wanna upset them. Get off the stage! There's certain criteria that needs to be met. That's really all it boils down to.


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    #1131
    Bentley17
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭Bentley17


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Say there's a 19 Stone prisoner and he is barricaded into a cell that's on fire. Imagine he loses his life because the person that responded wasn't physically capable of moving him but they passed him/her through the test because they didn't wanna upset them. Get off the stage! There's certain criteria that needs to be met. That's really all it boils down to.
    Whether an RPO, P.O., ACO or a CO I’m sure you officer Omackeral are comfortable and feel safe working alongside fellow officers knowing that only a minority have ever done a PCT and regardless of the PCT, they are all excellent officers. I look forward to working with all new recruits, man, woman, young or old as long as they have a level head.
    On a footnote. You would have been trained in CSRE and therefore know you would never enter a cell alone and would have the full support of your team.


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    #1132
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Bentley17 wrote: »
    On a footnote. You would have been trained in CSRE and therefore know you would never enter a cell alone and would have the full support of your team.


    On a footnote, sometimes training goes out the window in certain situations and instincts take over. Anyway, that's enough from me on this.


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    #1133
    Great Mate
    Registered Users Posts: 22 ✭Great Mate


    On a more upbeat note, best of luck to everyone beginning their training on Monday, and of course to anyone over the next few weeks also.


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    #1134
    Bentley17
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭Bentley17


    Omackeral wrote: »
    On a footnote, sometimes training goes out the window in certain situations and instincts take over. Anyway, that's enough from me on this.

    Protocols, procedures & training are in place to protect officers , you should never deviate from these as you would only place yourself & team at risk.


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    #1135
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Bentley17 wrote: »
    Protocols, procedures & training are in place to protect officers , you should never deviate from these as you would only place yourself & team at risk.

    Sound. You tell that to someone who's being doing this 18 or 19 years when it all goes tits up sometime. There's always a new person that comes in and thinks they know everything. Every single group has one. Try not let it be you.


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    #1136
    Bentley17
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭Bentley17


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Sound. You tell that to someone who's being doing this 18 or 19 years when it all goes tits up sometime. There's always a new person that comes in and thinks they know everything. Every single group has one. Try not let it be you.

    Your not painting a good picture of long standing officers including yourself with 10 years experience by saying that you don’t follow procedures. Try and set a good example would be my advice.


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    #1137
    hawkelady
    Registered Users Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭hawkelady


    Bentley17 wrote: »
    Omackeral wrote: »
    Sound. You tell that to someone who's being doing this 18 or 19 years when it all goes tits up sometime. There's always a new person that comes in and thinks they know everything. Every single group has one. Try not let it be you.

    Your not painting a good picture of long standing officers including yourself with 10 years experience by saying that you don’t follow procedures. Try and set a good example would be my advice.



    Jesus Christ Bentley!!!! You are coming across like a bloody horrendous person to be working alongside !!
    I pity your work colleagues already


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    #1138
    Bentley17
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭Bentley17


    hawkelady wrote: »
    Jesus Christ Bentley!!!! You are coming across like a bloody horrendous person to be working alongside !!
    I pity your work colleagues already

    Oh you make me laugh officer omackeral
    Thank you thank you


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    #1139
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Bentley17 wrote: »
    Oh you make me laugh officer omackeral
    Thank you thank you

    That wasn't me. Work on your core observation and comprehension skills would be my advice, not to mention your attitude. You're going on ignore now.


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    #1140
    Bentley17
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭Bentley17


    Omackeral wrote: »
    That wasn't me. Work on your core observation and comprehension skills would be my advice, not to mention your attitude. You're going on ignore now.

    I sincerely apologise officer omackeral, but I had tears in my eyes from laughing at hawkeladys comment. On the plus side at least I can admit when I am wrong unlike the other snowflakes


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    #1141
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Bentley17 wrote: »
    Your not painting a good picture of long standing officers including yourself with 10 years experience by saying that you don’t follow procedures. Try and set a good example would be my advice.

    One last thing on this. I don't need or want your advice whatsoever, I'm at this a long while now and know what I'm doing. That's not to say I know everything but I reckon I know a bit more than someone not even in the door.

    As for your notion that I should try to set an example. Well I'm currently a mentor to new recruits at the moment. One of the competencies you are taught is to be flexible and open to change, that's pretty much covering what I said about sometimes having to deviate from the black and white should a situation arise. In prison, that happens. It's part of jail life. New recruits are informed of this.

    I've done an AMA on here that was very well received by most of the readers so I'll value their feedback over someone with a handful of posts and a thin discrimination agenda.

    I also do yearly talks to a class of PLC students in my own time so I'm happy to give back to people who are genuinely interested. Finally, I've given plenty of advice to posters on this thread via PM of what the job entails and they've been very thankful for it.

    If you're a troll, that's sad. If you're not, that's sadder.


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