Top Spanish matador Victor Barrio gored to death in arena live on TV

Shenshen

Deleted User wrote: »

You spectacularly missed the point.

I was not comparing the suffering at all. Someone suggested people go to bullfighting to see animals killed, and I merely pointed out that if that was their only motivation than they'd be queuing up at the slaughterhouse.

Or at cock fights, or at dog baiting.

At the end of the day, many people do enjoy a bit of blood and gore. Perosnally, I'm not sure howmuch society should accommodate that in order to keep them entertained.

timthumbni

To those that defend bull fighting in Spain it is a ridiculous stance. I am no shrinking violet but I would draw the line at taunting a bull and then killing it in front of a baying crowd ffs.

There is no comparison with factory farmed animals. That is another topic but has no relation to some dopey spaniard trying to provoke a bull.... None at all.

timthumbni

timthumbni wrote: »

There is no comparison with factory farmed animals. That is another topic but has no relation to some dopey spaniard trying to provoke a bull.... None at all.

Well certainly the bulls in bullfighting seem to have a better existence than factory farmed animals.

I'm not sure about the dismissal of bullfighters as "some dopey spaniards". The bullfighters in Mexico, France etc. might not like it for starters!

Discodog

We don't chase cows across a field lobbing spears into them. You can't compare farming & bullfighting. Ireland is in the perfect position to promote Freedom Food & export it, if the government had any sense.

Donnielighto

Donnielighto wrote: »

Been in an abattoir, have you? I have a few times as we get our own animals slaughtered. The bullfighting is definitely more stressful for the animal than when they are slaughtered for meat, the butcher/slaughterman doesn't take pleasure in making the making the suffer unlike bullfighters.

He probably saw one of those videos of an abattoir that PETA put up and assumed that Irish abattoirs are also the same.

Irelands abattoirs are relatively more humane compared to a lot of other countries and I don't think eating chicken is the same as jizzing in my pants over a bull being tortured.

Jawgap

Deleted User wrote: »

He probably saw one of those videos of an abattoir that PETA put up and assumed that Irish abattoirs are also the same.

Irelands abattoirs are relatively more humane compared to a lot of other countries and I don't think eating chicken is the same as jizzing in my pants over a bull being tortured.

Anyone who knows anything about slaughtering knows the animals need minimal stress before hand. Any stress depletes their glycogen stores which means pretty sh1tty meat (because the glycogen converts to lactic acid post mortem which tenderises the muscle/meat naturally), meaning poor prices. The market rewards humane slaughter because it yields higher quality.

Discodog

Hopefully Ireland will follow the UK & have more free range farms. A friend of mine rears pigs, in big fields & covered in lovely mud. They slaughter them on the farm & the free range pork sells for a really good price. Most of it goes to restaurants & he can't keep up with demand.

The consumer gets a first rate product & the pigs get a great life followed by a stress free end.

timthumbni

Discodog wrote: »

Hopefully Ireland will follow the UK & have more free range farms. A friend of mine rears pigs, in big fields & covered in lovely mud. They slaughter them on the farm & the free range pork sells for a really good price. Most of it goes to restaurants & he can't keep up with demand.

The consumer gets a first rate product & the pigs get a great life followed by a stress free end.

Does he wear tight matador type leggings whilst he tends to these pigs?

Discodog

timthumbni wrote: »

Does he wear tight matador type leggings whilst he tends to these pigs?

He would happily shoot a matador :pac:

NikoTopps

I have absolutely no sympathy for this idiot.

He got exactly what was coming for him taunting an animal for "entertainment".

gctest50

Discodog wrote: »

Hopefully Ireland will follow the UK & have more free range farms. A friend of mine rears pigs, in big fields & covered in lovely mud. They slaughter them on the farm & the free range pork sells for a really good price. Most of it goes to restaurants & he can't keep up with demand.

The consumer gets a first rate product & the pigs get a great life followed by a stress free end.

Discodog wrote: »

.....followed by a stress free end.

How do you know ? Pigs are very intelligent

Discodog

gctest50 wrote: »

How do you know ? Pigs are very intelligent

Well I know that he used the services of a Vet & an animal behaviourist in the design of the slaughterhouse. I haven't been there at the time but I have been told that the pigs are killed individually & with minimal stress. Ok it may not be perfect but it's one hell of a lot better than what most pigs experience.

gctest50

Discodog wrote: »

Well I know that he used the services of a Vet & an animal behaviourist in the design of the slaughterhouse. I haven't been there at the time but I have been told that the pigs are killed individually & with minimal stress. Ok it may not be perfect but it's one hell of a lot better than what most pigs experience.

Discodog wrote: »

I haven't been there at the time but..

but ?

Zurich University :

Anne (the pig ) would rather starve for three full days than enter the room that caused her so much suffering

Discodog

Discodog wrote: »

Well I know that he used the services of a Vet & an animal behaviourist in the design of the slaughterhouse...

Ha!

That sort of feel good nonsense plays to the same gallery that the Happy Pear Twins exploit.

Discodog

Are people suggesting that it's better to herd pigs together & drive them to an abattoir ? I said that his system isn't perfect but it's way better than what most pigs experience.

The same old argument is about to rolled out. If you oppose Bullfighting then you have to be a vegetarian :rolleyes:

Farming can be more compassionate & still be economically viable.

wakka12

lazybones32 wrote: »

And the bull has been culled for his troubles...

lose-lose situation. Some mama and papa are distraught tonight and are probably still awake, unable to sleep because their baby boy is lying on a mortuary slab and some dickheads are mourning the loss of a bull.

I feel sorry for his parents. But really, they captured an animal against its will and used it for sports and it was killed for doing what its meant to do, charge when provoked. This man chose to enter the arena, knowing full well the risks involved. Mess with the bull and all...

Summer wind

Sad day for both man and bull. I think bull fighting is horrible and disgusting. I would be delighted if it was outlawed.

Summer wind

Summer wind wrote: »

Sad day for both man and bull. I think bull fighting is horrible and disgusting. I would be delighted if it was outlawed.

It seems it was in Catalonia...which had no big tradition anyway, and the response in other areas in Spain and in other countries was to list it as a protected sport...

Summer wind

Deleted User wrote: »

It seems it was in Catalonia...which had no big tradition anyway, and the response in other areas in Spain and in other countries was to list it as a protected sport...

I guess it's hard to get rid of something that's been going on so long. We can always hope though.

we'llallhavetea

haven't read the thread but presume most people have feck all sympathy for him. i dont know how this torture is allowed still. dicks

timthumbni

Surely this goes back to the Roman arena. Why would they still do this nowadays?

As I said I like the Spanish. Surely there must be a big movement to stop this crap. It is moronic and cruel. Though I suppose ufc is all the rage here too......

we'llallhavetea

timthumbni wrote: »

Though I suppose ufc is all the rage here too......

how is this remotely the same? two consenting adults does not = man torturing a bull to death

timthumbni

we'llallhavetea wrote: »

how is this remotely the same? two consenting adults does not = man torturing a bull to death

I agree with you. I was taking the piss. Imo taunting and the killing a bull in front of a baying moronic crowd has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever seen or heard.

I think we are on the same side..

Atlantic Dawn

How many posting on this thread have actually seen what happened? I have.

timthumbni

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

How many posting on this thread have actually seen what happened? I have.

I don't really want to see a man killed by a bull tbh. The argument is that there was no need for him to be anywhere near a bull in the first place surely?

pheasant tail

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well certainly the bulls in bullfighting seem to have a better existence than factory farmed animals.

I'm not sure about the dismissal of bullfighters as "some dopey spaniards". The bullfighters in Mexico, France etc. might not like it for starters!

How do they 'seem' to have a better existence?

JupiterKid

It sort of astounds me that Spain, a country that has gay marriage, still has the despicable anachronistic blood sport of bullfighting.

I do feel sorry for the matador who died but he did know the risks. The treatment of bulls in bullfighting is despicable. Bullfighting belongs in the history museum and not the 21st century.

Bull 1 Matador 0

darkpagandeath

Bull wins is that the story ?

JupiterKid

JupiterKid wrote: »

It sort of astounds me that Spain, a country that has gay marriage, still has the despicable anachronistic blood sport of bullfighting.

Say what now?

Missing the connection.

rjpf1980

I don't agree with bullfighting because I believe it is cruel and should be banned and I think the bullfighter who died was responsible for his own death.

He did not DESERVE to die.

Some of the posters are delighted he's dead.

WTF?

BetsyEllen

rjpf1980 wrote: »

I don't agree with bullfighting because I believe it is cruel and should be banned and I think the bullfighter who died was responsible for his own death.

He did not DESERVE to die.

Some of the posters are delighted he's dead.

WTF?

I'm delighted that the animal torturer is dead.
Animal cruelty/torture is DISGUSTING, the sport is barbaric and anyone that purposely harms an animal has no place in society. Good riddance.

lee_baby_simms

BetsyEllen wrote: »

I'm delighted that the animal torturer is dead.

Hardly a proportional reaction to be fair.

rjpf1980

BetsyEllen wrote: »

I'm delighted that the animal torturer is dead.
Animal cruelty/torture is DISGUSTING, the sport is barbaric and anyone that purposely harms an animal has no place in society. Good riddance.

You are delighted that another fellow human being is dead? Have you seen the video of how this man died? Have you any feelings or empathy or mercy? A human being died. A man was killed and died. He had a family and friends and people who loved him and miss him. That is a tragedy.
Do you believe in the death penalty or something? Should people - human beings - be killed for killing animals?????

Jawgap

Deleted User wrote: »

Say what now?

Missing the connection.

have you not seen the outfits those matadors wear........they're faaaaaabulous!

Lavinia

Not sorry for matadors at all. I feel sorry for the bulls and all animals that are molested by humans on this planet.

rjpf1980

Lavinia wrote: »

Not sorry for matadors at all. I feel sorry for the bulls and all animals that are molested by humans on this planet.

You put animals before your fellow human beings????

I don't agree with Muslim methods of animal slaughter. Does that mean all Muslims should die?

Do you think people who eat sausages and bacon should be killed because of how animals are treated on farms and in slaughter houses?

The notion that human beings should die for treating animals cruelly is lunatic.

BetsyEllen

rjpf1980 wrote: »

You are delighted that another fellow human being is dead? Have you seen the video of how this man died? Have you any feelings or empathy or mercy? A human being died. A man was killed and died. He had a family and friends and people who loved him and miss him. That is a tragedy.
Do you believe in the death penalty or something? Should people - human beings - be killed for killing animals?????

Why on earth would I want to see the video? That's as sick as going along to see the bullfight in the first place. I might not care that he is dead but I don't want to witness his death thanks.

This man killed/tortured animals for entertainment and money making purposes.
He put himself in this situation; if he hadn't been in that arena, trying to slowly kill an animal, then he would be alive and well now.
So I have ZERO sympathy.

rjpf1980

BetsyEllen wrote: »

Why on earth would I want to see the video? That's as sick as going along to see the bullfight in the first place. I might not care that he is dead but I don't want to witness his death thanks.

This man killed/tortured animals for entertainment and money making purposes.
He put himself in this situation; if he hadn't been in that arena, trying to slowly kill an animal, then he would be alive and well now.
So I have ZERO sympathy.

You put the life of an animal above a human being???? Really???

BetsyEllen

rjpf1980 wrote: »

You put the life of an animal above a human being???? Really???

You've said that twice now.
I don't think you get my point - he put himself into that arena, knew the risks he was taking and he was beaten in a fight between himself and the bull.
He was in that arena to specifically hurt and kill the animal, who had no choice but to be there.
So I have zero sympathy.

That is different to putting the life of an animal above a human beings.

If I had the choice of saving a bull or a human from a burning building, I would clearly save the human.

rjpf1980

BetsyEllen wrote: »

You've said that twice now.
I don't think you get my point - he put himself into that arena, knew the risks he was taking and he was beaten in a fight between himself and the bull.
He was in that arena to specifically hurt and kill the animal, who had no choice but to be there.
So I have zero sympathy.

That is different to putting the life of an animal above a human beings.

If I had the choice of saving a bull or a human from a burning building, I would clearly safe the human.

A human being is always more important than any animal.

BetsyEllen

rjpf1980 wrote: »

A human being is always more important than any animal.

I like the way you quickly went back and edited what you said before I could quote same. You obviously realised you sounded like a d!ck.
I am perfectly entitled to my opinion just as you are - calm yourself down, go and make a cup of tea or something.

weisses

rjpf1980 wrote: »

A human being is always more important than any animal.

Neh ..disagree there

Plenty of examples of people who I rather see dying then the odd Horsefly

Lavinia

rjpf1980 wrote: »

You put animals before your fellow human beings????

I don't agree with Muslim methods of animal slaughter. Does that mean all Muslims should die?

Do you think people who eat sausages and bacon should be killed because of how animals are treated on farms and in slaughter houses?

The notion that human beings should die for treating animals cruelly is lunatic.

jeez wouldn't like to be inside your head...
too aggressive and lost there it seems...

BetsyEllen

rjpf1980 wrote: »

A human being is always more important than any animal.

Hmmmm I'm not 100% with you on this now I've given it further thought.

I said before I would save a human from a burning building over a bull; however if that human was someone like Ian Huntley for example (Holly and Jessica killer - first despicable person I could think of) then I'd be saving the bull.

Do you disagree with this?

weisses

rjpf1980 wrote: »

You are delighted that another fellow human being is dead? Have you seen the video of how this man died? Have you any feelings or empathy or mercy? A human being died. A man was killed and died. He had a family and friends and people who loved him and miss him. That is a tragedy.
Do you believe in the death penalty or something? Should people - human beings - be killed for killing animals?????

I admit I chuckled when he was gored ..served him right.

If people want to participate in a dangerous backwards ritual involving animal torture then there should be no whinging when people get hurt

lee_baby_simms

weisses wrote: »

I admit I chuckled when he was gored ..served him right.

If people want to participate in a dangerous backwards ritual involving animal torture then there should be no whinging when people get hurt

Not only that, we should "chuckle" when a man loses his life.

Calahonda52

rjpf1980 wrote: »

A human being is always more important than any animal.

If so then why engage in patently dangerous activities with animals and then blame the animal for defending itself.
So the human is a victim here, looking for safe space in the arena...

The_Mac

God the amount of smug liberals in this thread is disgusting. Going to be a long tumble for people here if they fall off their high horse.

lee_baby_simms

The_Mac wrote: »

Going to be a long tumble for people here if they fall off their high horse.

It's the high horses I feel sorry for.

El Tarangu

The newspaper isn't correct that it was the 'first matador to be killed this century'; Ratón, a very famous bull that died recently, killed 3(!) people over the course of his career. Apparently, after the first death, his popularity went through the roof; surprised they culled this bull, I'd say his owner feels he is missing out on a windfall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat%C3%B3n