burning the tricolour 12th July , disturbing.

fryup

not yet wrote: »

Spot on, a Leopard never changes its spots, Windsor park 93 anyone and the wonderfully pleasant William Bingham.

Why the fcuk can't the PSNI ban these animalistic bonfires.

yes windsor 93, and just a month beforehand the IRA blew up the shankhill rd killing 10 people but of course thats never mentioned is it

spaghettifier

Honestly makes me feel less worried about the prospect of a Euro Border.

I assume these people don't really care that this goes out every year and damages northern Ireland's reputation abroad.

All you've got to do is Google Northern Ireland and you'll invariably see crazy behavior with bonfires, flying and burning other countries' flags. Flying offensive flags etc etc

I know it's a bit defeatist and not very nationalist but you'd give up on the place after a while. I know there are lots of nice people up there but, when you've a relatively progressive, stable democracy down south why would we want to have to deal with this on a regular basis?

I just can't see it being resolved. It's basically burnt into the psyche up there for centuries.

I know it's only a bit of fabric, but it's the thought that counts! There's an element of sheer bloody minded hate behind that.

Things sure going to get very weird if the UK starts to break up though and particularly as Westminster isn't really paying much attention to NI anymore.

galwaylad14

fryup wrote: »

yes windsor 93, and just a month beforehand the IRA blew up the shankhill rd killing 10 people but of course thats never mentioned is it

What does that have to do with Billy Bingham's carry on that night? His comments in the lead up to the game and indeed his encouraging of the singing of sectarian songs on the night?

You do know that Northern Ireland weren't playing the IRA that night don't you? They were playing the Republic of Ireland.

Dyr

With any luck they'll build bonfires so big that darwinism will kick in

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-36771384

fryup

fryup wrote: »

yes windsor 93, and just a month beforehand the IRA blew up the shankhill rd killing 10 people but of course thats never mentioned is it

galwaylad14 wrote: »

What does that have to do with Billy Bingham's carry on that night? His comments in the lead up to the game and indeed his encouraging of the singing of sectarian songs on the night?

You do know that Northern Ireland weren't playing the IRA that night don't you? They were playing the Republic of Ireland.

but thats the reason there so much anger that night...how do you think the reaction would be in lansdowne rd if a loyalist bomb went off in Dublin?? there would be absolute mayhem

the british embassy was burnt down the after bloody sunday,

galwaylad14

This time of year really brings out the worst in those bigots. Let them march away around the Shankill and those sort of places if they want to but it seems like they're not happy unless they're marching through Nationalist areas and annoying all the people that live in those areas.

galwaylad14

fryup wrote: »

but thats the reason there so much anger that night...how do you think the reaction would be in lansdowne rd if a loyalist bomb went off in Dublin?? there would be absolute mayhem

the british embassy was burnt down the after bloody sunday,

That doesn't justify Bingham's disgraceful carry on that night though. He was the manager of the team, not some drunken lout down from the Shankill, he should have been focused on the football, not drumming up the hatred that was already in the air on the night.

spaghettifier

Hopefully it absolutely $$$$$s raining.

not yet

fryup wrote: »

yes windsor 93, and just a month beforehand the IRA blew up the shankhill rd killing 10 people but of course thats never mentioned is it

Please tell me the connection between a nasty,vile bitter little man roared on by 1000s of narrow minded bigots, and a bombing by the IRA..

Going on that premise we could go back to the Dublin bombings, the Shankill butchers, Loughinisland...need I go on.

listermint

Permabear wrote: »

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Theres always one...

I suppose Permabear is now going to explain to us how this carry on would be acceptable today.

Or do you thrive on dragging up the past.

Hilarious comparison btw, seemed almost apologetic really. :rolleyes:

philstar

and nationalists are peace loving people...listen to the hate in this..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmSnR1vXhWk

galwaylad14

We now thankfully live in a peaceful Ireland that has moved on from the dark days of the Troubles, but just because we now live in a more open and accepting society I don't see why people feel they have to try to justify the horrible way some of those Orange ****ers carry on around the 12th every year.

An awful lot of those guys are just sectarian bigots that go out of their way just to drum up pathetic feelings of hatred and triumphalism and their main motivation is rubbing catholic's noses in it for these few days.

I'm all for moving on as a country and I'm very glad we live in more peaceful times, but let's call these fellas out for what they are, hateful bigots.

timthumbni

Bonfires are not so prevalent outside the more built up areas (in particular Belfast) where there is a certain amount of street or area rivalry as to who builds the biggest bonfire.

We have bonfires in my local villages but they would be very low key and smaller than Belfast ones. Even the parades today around here will have a very low key police presence and there will be zero chance of any trouble.

listermint

philstar wrote: »

and nationalists are peace loving people...listen to the hate in this..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmSnR1vXhWk

Yep theres a day every year where the wolftones tunes are peddled out across the land and we burn down union jacks, throw glasses and petrol and police get pissed and then march past protestant churches with drums singing same said tunes.


I cant place my finger on the date... oh wait that doesnt happen....




And to think these muppets get EU funding for this bile.

philstar

^^^^^^^^^^^

still doesn't excuse it, have you ever been to a wolfe tones, irish brigade concert?? filled to the rafters with people chanting..."oohh ahh up the ra"

kfallon

philstar wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^^^

still doesn't excuse it, have you ever been to a wolfe tones, irish brigade concert?? filled to the rafters with people chanting..."oohh ahh up the ra"

Were you expecting them to be singing Beyoncé or something?

Lt Dan

kerry cow wrote: »

I read this morning and viewed photos of these bon fires in the north .fair enough let them celebrate there orange day .But really it makes my blood boil to see them burn our national flag on top of these bon fires .how disrespectful in this day and age .I am no way political but believe in every one to their own but really ? How can the law on both side of the border allow this continue . The papers report huge stacks of tyres , pallets and tricolour been burned and even causing a hazard to houses , environment and play ground had to be move for fear of been burned .can we not legislate against this type of OTT behaviour .planning etc .

How would any UK citizen feel if we decided that each year we will have a monster Bon fire in the phoenix park
Thousands gather and we celebrate our freedom , wrap the pallets in a giant union jack and burn their flag to dust .

If there is any luck, the bonfires damage their property (more than likely , Council owned) and injure a few of them
http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0712/801806-northern-ireland-orange-parades/


I doubt the average Brit would care what we do.

Funny, the bastion of British public opinion, the Daily Mail haven't covered it, suppose they are more interested in the fact that some porn star shares the same name as the new Prime Minister

philstar

kfallon wrote: »

Were you expecting them to be singing Beyoncé or something?

well it would be an improvement on the hate-filled rebel rousing

Lt Dan

LDN_Irish wrote: »

I had to Google to see what you meant here. Just to clarify, are you referencing something that happened 70 years ago?

VE Day 1945, Trinity College. Our great leader, National Statesman and Hero, Charles James Haughey, the son of a Derry man, (and breast fed in Dingle, last week - que Dermot Morgan joke) got annoyed that Trinners put the Union Jack in a more prominent place over the tricolour and did something about it .

Lt Dan

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Aye but what's the use in that if we don't nuke the Fu*kers!

Now now, isn't it lovely that we can watch them all, knowing that their lives and culture is pathetic . Britain would sign them away if given the chance. Their employment prospects are ? What?

listermint

philstar wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^^^

still doesn't excuse it, have you ever been to a wolfe tones, irish brigade concert?? filled to the rafters with people chanting..."oohh ahh up the ra"

Oh right, a concert in a pub, does it get EU funding ?

And are they burning the flags of other countries on the street.

What about the police, do the attack them en masse..


At these 'hate filled' gatherings.....

White Ninja

I don't understand why people get offended by these symbolic gestures. I couldn't care less if somebody burns an Irish flag, they bought it, they can do what they like with it, hopefully it was made in Ireland, in which case I hope they burn more.
I also always find it funny when people in other countries use things offensive in their culture, to try to offend people from other cultures. Like hitting a picture of somebody with the sole of their shoe, I'd find it funny if somebody was hitting a picture of me with a shoe.
Burning effigies is the best one though, they put so much effort into to making them, then they burn them, and it's not even remotely offensive to westerners.

realdanbreen

donegaLroad wrote: »

I took a spin over to Castlederg yesterday evening, to show a German visitor we have staying, the way the town is decorated for the 12th.. and to be honest I felt a bit let down by how quiet the town was. There were a good few union jacks and Ulster flags but that was it. No bonfire, no uvf flags, and no Israeli flags..

an over-all disappointment and a bit of a wasted trip tbh.

See that's the difference between ye're crowd and us down south. We would bring the german visitor out on the tear and give him/her a great time whereas ye bring him for a spin to show him flags and bonfires!
I seriously hope ye never come into a united Ireland ye would bore the arse off everyone!

timthumbni

Lt Dan wrote: »

Now now, isn't it lovely that we can watch them all, knowing that their lives and culture is pathetic . Britain would sign them away if given the chance. Their employment prospects are ? What?

I can sense the bitterness is strong with this one. Most of the those watching and marching and playing in the bands today in my area are certainly employed.

hatrickpatrick

kerry cow wrote: »

How can the law on both side of the border allow this continue

Probably because free speech is a fundamental cornerstone of democracy, even when it's used in ways we do not approve of.

buck65

I think the nationalists up North don't like us too much either though. I find alot of Northeners hard to get on with. Actually I know a few protestants up there and they are fine to deal with in business anyway.

listermint

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Probably because free speech is a fundamental cornerstone of democracy, even when it's used in ways we do not approve of.

Free speech does not include inciteful acts.

But hey ho...

hatrickpatrick

listermint wrote: »

Free speech does not include inciteful acts.

But hey ho...

Speech is only "inciteful" if people are pathetic enough to rise to it and retaliate with violence.

timthumbni

If anyone is genuinely interested in seeing a bit of the 12th then bbc1 NI is showing it at the moment. It wouldn't suit some on here but it perhaps would be interesting to some who never would see one otherwise.

Lt Dan

andekwarhola wrote: »

I know at a handful of NI supporters that wouldn't be caught dead at that brain dead hatred. It has some general factual basis but don't tar everybody. Or at least if you do, don't whinge if we all get painted as god-fearing 'Ra lovers.

On a general note though, watching those inveterate cretins (lumpen generations subsidized and succored by the British taxpayer) on the Shankill road last night and the 21 million needed to police the Twaddell debacle: who in their right mind would want to absorb that mess into our state/economy as is stands?

A Handful, hardly many now is it?

Lt Dan

fryup wrote: »

flag burning is done on both sides up north

And, as usual, there is a Celtic Jersey wearing moron in the crowd:D

OldMrBrennan83

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Thomas_..

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Well they shouldn't have built their houses so close to the bonfire!

I wonder who´s paying for the damage caused if not the owner have to pay for a new roof themselves, unless they have an insurance that will pay for it.

Lt Dan

me_irl wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKCeESg9Ev8

Hicks is a nutcase junkie riddled with depression and lord knows what. Never saw the appeal

timthumbni

Patww79 wrote: »

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Why don't you watch and see. Im sure an open minded man such as yourself would want to form your own opinion.

Thomas_..

Permabear wrote: »

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Yes, he took it off from the flag pole at the roof of Trinity College cos he felt that flying the Union Jack was an Insult.

OldMrBrennan83

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not yet

philstar wrote: »

and nationalists are peace loving people...listen to the hate in this..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmSnR1vXhWk

Have you even listened to the words of that song, I have, and I cannot find any hate or venom in it, it simply asks ''have they got no fcuking home of their own'', which is a reasonable question to ask a foreign invader.

Thomas_..

timthumbni wrote: »

Why don't you watch and see. Im sure an open minded man such as yourself would want to form your own opinion.

Patww79 wrote: »

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The annual spectacles in NI are something peculiar and eventhough one tries to understand the background of it, it´s either like that or not. I´ve read and watched some of what one calls being the background of it, still, I can´t see any sense in burning flags and moreover putting neighbouring houses in fire danger for the stacks are build very high and I´ve seen pictures where their stability looked very weak and dangerous.

Unionist Loyalists burn the Irish flag, Irish Nationalist Republicans burn the Union flag, it´s all "quite normal" for the standards of "culture" in NI. They both do it "out of their traditions".

I never had any like for such things and although I´ve informed myself about both sides of the divide there, it still looks a strange place to me.

Lt Dan

timthumbni wrote: »

I can sense the bitterness is strong with this one. Most of the those watching and marching and playing in the bands today in my area are certainly employed.

The article is about bonfires, in , clearly "working class areas" and the homes were council houses and the level of unemployment in that particular area IS HIGH!. The article is NOT about people marching and playing in bands. Big difference!

Perhaps if you were able to read you too would notice

Bitterness? Good god no. Why would I ? I pity them more than anything. Perhaps concentrate your sense of sight rather than your apparent sense to be able to detect bitterness, you might not be going around making laughable comments.

Even if there was bitterness, no Sh8t Sherlock, a bunch of uneducated Benefit claiming leeches spending their times building impressively built bonfires rather than working and burning flags of another country, that sure would attract contempt. But again, why be angry or bitter, these peasants need our pity

Galwayguy35

Interesting to see them burning the Euro flag as well when they benefited from money sent from Brussels, well seeing as that ship is sailed now I wonder has it occurred to them that the taxpayer in Britain will have to stump up more money to keep the province going.

RobbieTheRobber

For anyone who is struggling with the Flag/Fleg issue in northern Ireland, here is a short video explaining some of the finer nuances of the issue around flags/flegs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8JqKxrloQQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8JqKxrloQQ

realdanbreen

timthumbni wrote: »

I can sense the bitterness is strong with this one. Most of the those watching and marching and playing in the bands today in my area are certainly employed.

I'm told the Orange women are always gagging for a Paddy on the 12th while the hubbys are off marching in their little bowler hats and silly sashes.

beertons

I'm heading up to sell a few marshmallows.

not yet

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Interesting to see them burning the Euro flag as well when they benefited from money sent from Brussels, well seeing as that ship is sailed now I wonder has it occurred to them that the taxpayer in Britain will have to stump up more money to keep the province going.

Sure the square headed gorillas involved in this would burn any fleg with Green in it..

not yet

realdanbreen wrote: »

I'm told the Orange women are always gagging for a Paddy on the 12th while the hubbys are off marching in their little bowler hats and silly sashes.

Now you gone and done it..

NIMAN

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Interesting to see them burning the Euro flag as well when they benefited from money sent from Brussels, well seeing as that ship is sailed now I wonder has it occurred to them that the taxpayer in Britain will have to stump up more money to keep the province going.

Do you really think the numbskulls who are burning the Euro flag understand the economics of NI, the UK and the Eurozone? Honestly?

Most are poorly educated bigots who hate everyone who isn't from their own kind. They don't want anything to do with anybody outside of their beloved Ulster.

Try to move in, and you're likely to get burned out. Or harrassed until you move out.

As much as I think its terrible that the authorities can't do anything about it, the burning of the Irish flag doesn't really hurt me in any way. You have to remember they are burning it not to say they hate people in Cork or Waterford, but to say they hate their Catholic neighbours in their own province. Most of them probably have never travelled to Cork or Waterford to know what the people are like there. They like to spend their lives in their own little enclaves of hate, where they feel they have some value.

Don't take it personally.

It just annoys me that if I was to start burning tyres in public or burn a flag in Belfast city centre, I'd be arrested and up in court.

timthumbni

realdanbreen wrote: »

I'm told the Orange women are always gagging for a Paddy on the 12th while the hubbys are off marching in their little bowler hats and silly sashes.

If they were orange women wouldn't they be at the 12th though? Maybe paddy should watch out in case it's a honey trap.

Thomas_..

Lt Dan wrote: »

The article is about bonfires, in , clearly "working class areas" and the homes were council houses and the level of unemployment in that particular area IS HIGH!. The article is NOT about people marching and playing in bands. Big difference!

Perhaps if you were able to read you too would notice

Bitterness? Good god no. Why would I ? I pity them more than anything. Perhaps concentrate your sense of sight rather than your apparent sense to be able to detect bitterness, you might not be going around making laughable comments.

Even if there was bitterness, no Sh8t Sherlock, a bunch of uneducated Benefit claiming leeches spending their times building impressively built bonfires rather than working and burning flags of another country, that sure would attract contempt. But again, why be angry or bitter, these peasants need our pity

There´s no twelfth celebration without the bonfire the night before. Everyone who is at least a bit familiar with what is going on in NI around the 12th July knows that. As for pointing out the difference between the bonfires and the marches, I wouldn´t call it a day until tomorrow.

Who knows what some drunken idiots are might be on about this evening and night.

Pity them? Maybe. It´s just part of their culture and they won´t give up on that and I presume not even if the UK is falling apart in the next couple of years by a successful Scottish independence referendum.

When I imagine them marching around with Union Flags after the UK doesn´t exist anymore, it even looks more strange and anachronistic to me. But I´d expect them keeping their colours, even if it´d be just as reminder on a gone era.

Btw, during the recent Euro, the old NI Flag (yes, the Stormont one) was everywhere on display as the flag of NI. I suppose that bearly one outside of NI even knew that this flag isn´t the official NI anymore (abolished when the UK govt. imposed direct rule on NI during the troubles in the early 1970s). Well, the Orangemen surely will sustain that symbol by all means.

Thomas_..

realdanbreen wrote: »

I'm told the Orange women are always gagging for a Paddy on the 12th while the hubbys are off marching in their little bowler hats and silly sashes.

I´d rather take that as a rumour.