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Tour de France Stage 12: Montpellier-Mt.Ventoux 184KM **Spoilers**

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    #182
    death1234567
    Registered Users Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭death1234567


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Agree with Juan Antonio Flecha that the result shouldn't be changed.
    Yeah it's just one of those things. Too many incidents in the past where the results stood so you can't go changing them now. ASO will take alot of flak for this mess though. Reducing the length of the stage meant all the loonies were packed in on the mountain. The place looked mobbed.


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    #183
    mloc123
    Registered Users Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    lissard wrote: »
    Only proper solution is to annul the stage. GC stays the same as start of the day, it's been done in the Giro before. You can't penalise the riders for something that is the organisers fault.

    In that case maybe the day Porte lost time over a puncture should be annulled?


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    #184
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don't think thats fair to say, there were far too many people there too close to the race. It's the organisers fault from the looks of it.

    I blame whoever/whatever blocked the motorbike!


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    #185
    mloc123
    Registered Users Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    DirkVoodoo wrote: »
    That was an absolutely unbelievable performance from Froome after his efforts in the break yesterday. If this were another era, we'd be crying foul, but I think it's a testament to marginal gains and what scientific training has done for cycling in the modern era.

    People can now look at these performances and not feel embarrassed. Just listen to Carlton, absolutely ecstatic!

    This is sarcasm, right?


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    #186
    joey100
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    Why would he have so much trouble on the neutral service bike? He really seemed all over the place on it, could barely get it moving. I'd have thought it would have been kept in good working order. I get that it wouldn't be set up ideally for him,but it was like night and day between the neutral service and his own bike.


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    #187
    terrydel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    Surely this is down to them changing the finish point at such a late notice, meaning the number of people packed into a smaller area was hugely increased.
    Should have sucked it up and had them cycle to the top, not as if they then had to descend.


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    #188
    Moflojo
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    Looking at the replay I don't think Froome was able to clip in on the Mavic neutral bike? His feet look to be at an odd angle to the pedals and he had no power, suggesting he wasn't able to pull up on the pedals.


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    #189
    godtabh
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    07Lapierre wrote: »
    This the special edition Xlite F8? totalled after a crash, while going upHill??

    The one with a tiny weight limit. Must be fairly brittle


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    #190
    dastardly00
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    terrydel wrote: »
    Should have sucked it up and had them cycle to the top, not as if they then had to descend.

    Are you for real?


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    #191
    Weepsie
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,536 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Juan Antonia Flecha thinks time should stand as they havnt made compromises in past (2011?) For similar incidents. Eurosport host looked horrified.

    Someone else stated that thered normally be barriers so close to finish on Ventoux, but that wasn't to be the finish as we know


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    #192
    godtabh
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    kenmc wrote: »
    don't see why he couldn't have taken his bike with him instead of littering the place. his team car had to stop to collect it anyway, causing chaos anyway. then he would have completed the distance with his bike.

    He did for a while and then realized how stupid that was


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    #193
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    godtabh wrote: »
    The one with a tiny weight limit. Must be fairly brittle

    Well to be fair... we haven't seen the bike..."Totalled" could be an exaggeration.


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    #194
    terrydel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    joey100 wrote: »
    Why would he have so much trouble on the neutral service bike? He really seemed all over the place on it, could barely get it moving. I'd have thought it would have been kept in good working order. I get that it wouldn't be set up ideally for him,but it was like night and day between the neutral service and his own bike.

    Couldn't find the clutch!


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    #195
    RobertKK
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    Froome in 6th, Martin in 9th. Yates in 1st.


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    #196
    death1234567
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    kenmc wrote: »
    don't see why he couldn't have taken his bike with him instead of littering the place. his team car had to stop to collect it anyway, causing chaos anyway. then he would have completed the distance with his bike.
    Yeah your right. Brailsford would have pulled the car over to collect the smashed carbon fibre pinarello that was a write off anyway and left Froome standing at the side of the road holding his lad.

    Froome ran ahead of the chaos and then hoped that the neutral service car could get up to him (or possibly that there would be barriers up ahead as the stage was nearly over). You think he should be punished for that or for not bringing his broken bike with him?? Nonsense.


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    #197
    68 lost souls
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    joey100 wrote: »
    Why would he have so much trouble on the neutral service bike? He really seemed all over the place on it, could barely get it moving. I'd have thought it would have been kept in good working order. I get that it wouldn't be set up ideally for him,but it was like night and day between the neutral service and his own bike.

    Could be the size? Too big a frame, I believe Froome is a 56cm but if it was a 58/60cm he could have had issues. Or the gearing on the climb? Or clips?


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    #198
    terrydel
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    dastardly00 wrote: »
    Are you for real?

    Why not? If a sportive can manage it so can these guys.


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    #199
    [Deleted User]
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    Quintana 43sec ahead of Froome now based on those results.


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    #200
    InTheTrees
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    uphillonly wrote: »
    I guess they didn't have time to erect barriers that close to finish due to the course change. Really bad crowd behaviour.

    That was crazy. if it hadnt been for the motorbike moving in front the crowd would have completely closed in. A complete mess.


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    #201
    Weepsie
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,536 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    terrydel wrote: »
    Why not? If a sportive can manage it so can these guys.

    Because the organisers of the sportive were clowns.

    That and you've to consider the crowds at the top, more rubbish, flying debris etc etc. It might have been even more carnage


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    #202
    velo.2010
    Registered Users Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭velo.2010


    If they change the rules for Froome then they must take a look at the 'etiquette' rules that allowed Froome to take a piss break and allow the second group with his other teammates to get back on.


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    #203
    RobertKK
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    terrydel wrote: »
    Why not? If a sportive can manage it so can these guys.

    Winds were too strong for cycling, the authorities do even close off the mountain to cars at times.

    A gust of wind on the exposed part could have been a real danger to the cyclists, far more so than what happened already today.


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    #204
    kenmc
    Registered Users Posts: 7,276 ✭✭✭kenmc


    death1234567 wrote: »
    Yeah your right. Brailsford would have pulled the car over to collect the smashed carbon fibre pinarello that was a write off anyway and left Froome standing at the side of the road holding his lad.

    Froome ran ahead of the chaos and then hoped that the neutral service car could get up to him (or possibly that there would be barriers up ahead as the stage was nearly over). You think he should be punished for that or for not bringing his broken bike with him?? Nonsense.
    not at all. it's a bike race, where do you draw the line at how many other means of transport you can take? could you not decide to paraglide off a descent to save time? how about maybe you could canoe down a fast moving river? you should be in possession of a bike at all times in a bike race, else its not a bike race, regardless of the circumstances.


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    #205
    godtabh
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    velo.2010 wrote: »
    If they change the rules for Froome then they must take a look at the 'etiquette' rules that allowed Froome to take a piss break and allow the second group with his other teammates to get back on.

    there is no 'etiquette' rules


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    #206
    terrydel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    Weepsie wrote: »
    Because the organisers of the sportive were clowns.

    That and you've to consider the crowds at the top, more rubbish, flying debris etc etc. It might have been even more carnage

    Move the crowds down and let the cyclists go up. ASO is a professional organisation and should be able to minimise risk down to an acceptable level.


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    #207
    Weepsie
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,536 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    terrydel wrote: »
    Move the crowds down and let the cyclists go up. ASO is a professional organisation and should be able to minimise risk down to an acceptable level.

    Then you just have the same problem with larger crowds further down


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    #208
    Jakey Rolling
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    godtabh wrote:
    He did for a while and then realized how stupid that was


    Should have taken the shoes off and ran the last km with the bike, a la Chris Mintern a couple of years ago!
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    #209
    isitraining
    Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭isitraining


    joey100 wrote: »
    Why would he have so much trouble on the neutral service bike? He really seemed all over the place on it, could barely get it moving. I'd have thought it would have been kept in good working order. I get that it wouldn't be set up ideally for him,but it was like night and day between the neutral service and his own bike.

    Just looking at it again there I think it was possibly the gearing.


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    #210
    neris
    Registered Users Posts: 20,055 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Weepsie wrote: »
    Juan Antonia Flecha thinks time should stand as they havnt made compromises in past (2011?) For similar incidents. Eurosport host looked horrified.

    was the 2011 incident not the 1 where him and another rider were sent into a barbed wire fence and badly injured


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    #211
    Planet X
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 3,976 Mod ✭✭✭✭Planet X


    Cleats.


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