Ireland Under 20 2017 6 Nations/Junior World Cup

brockboy02

I see Conor O'Briens younger brother Sean is with Clontarf, talented centre, who should push for an academy place next season when he is u20.

Tarf1234

brockboy02 wrote: »

I see Conor O'Briens younger brother Sean is with Clontarf, talented centre, who should push for an academy place next season when he is u20.

Ye he played for the 20s on Sunday. He's a very big lad, good skills too looks really composed on the ball.

brockboy02

Any chance you have a teamsheet?

Tarf1234

brockboy02 wrote: »

Any chance you have a teamsheet?

1. Dan McCaffrey
2. Cian Galvin
3. Geoffrey Chapman
4. Hugh Fenlon
5. Dylan Murray
6. Matias Clapp
7. Mattie Keane
8. Mark Williams
9. Andrew Feeney
10. Conor Jennings
11. Christian Baur
12. Jamie McAleese
13. Conor Byrne
14. Chris McIlheney
15. James O'Kane

16. Oisin Kelly
17. Sam Butler
18. James Hurley
19. Jordan Mulvaney
20. Fiachra Smith
21. Sean O'Brien
22. Seni Reilly

brockboy02

Thanks, interesting that Jennings is playing 10.. was excellent at 13 for Belvedere, but had been a 10 all the way up. Thought his best chance at an academy gig was in the centre too.

Surprisd O'Brien didn't start, would rate him higher than Byrne.

Some names in there I don't know at all.

Tarf1234

brockboy02 wrote: »

Thanks, interesting that Jennings is playing 10.. was excellent at 13 for Belvedere, but had been a 10 all the way up. Thought his best chance at an academy gig was in the centre too.

Surprisd O'Brien didn't start, would rate him higher than Byrne.

Some names in there I don't know at all.

O'Brien is only down a week.

Jennings could easily play seniors this year at either 10 or centre.

Good few guys there from our youths set up which is great to see us doing again.

brockboy02

Hope to see Jennings play senior, rate him pretty highly.

Tarf1234

brockboy02 wrote: »

Hope to see Jennings play senior, rate him pretty highly.

Agree he is a very high quality player.

brockboy02

Will have an uphill battle to play for Ireland u20 I fear, due to him not taking part in interpros.

Tarf1234

brockboy02 wrote: »

Will have an uphill battle to play for Ireland u20 I fear, due to him not taking part in interpros.

ye really pity because I would have thought he'd be in the mix otherwise.

brockboy02

Yeah hopefully it won't, if he gets a chance at senior rugby he will need to perform.

Lots of depth at 10, not so much at 12 IMO.

I'd like to see Leinster be more creative with the backs, someone like Ciaran Frawley may not have the control needed to be a professional 10, but he is an excellent athlete, with a lot of the skills needed to be successful. A move to another position could really benefit him.

Because right now I can't see both he and Conor Dean making the academy this season.

Although Leinster will have no outhalves in next years academy, so maybe it's possible.

shaungil

brockboy02 wrote: »

Yeah hopefully it won't, if he gets a chance at senior rugby he will need to perform.

Lots of depth at 10, not so much at 12 IMO.

I'd like to see Leinster be more creative with the backs, someone like Ciaran Frawley may not have the control needed to be a professional 10, but he is an excellent athlete, with a lot of the skills needed to be successful. A move to another position could really benefit him.

Because right now I can't see both he and Conor Dean making the academy this season.

Although Leinster will have no outhalves in next years academy, so maybe it's possible.

Frawley has played centre and fullback for Irish youths

brockboy02

Frawley at fullback would be interesting long term.

Ireland u20 camp ends today.

The Lost Sheep

20s leagues starting up now that qualifiers/qualifying blitzes have finished up.

There was 16 teams in qualifying leagues in Leinster. Is it 2 divisions of 8? Think some qualifying games this weekend doubled up as jp fanagan round 1 games

JP Fanagan qualifiers finished like this
A
1 Trinity 2 Navan 3 Barnhall 4 Naas
B
1 UCD 2 Marys 3 Belvo 4 Buccs
C
1 Lansdowne 2 Blackrock 3 Greystones 4 NUIG-Corinthians
D
1 Tarf 2 Terenure 3 Wesley 4 Suttonians

Division 3
Bective, Old Belvedere, UCD, Clontarf, Monkstown, Trinity, Galwegians, Greystones, DLSP

There was qualifying blitzes in Munster and fixtures for Donal Walsh Trophy should be up this week...

Sudolife

Jennings unused sub for Clontarf Seniors vs Garyowen

brockboy02

Leinster u20 league results:

Dublin University 41 vs 23 Navan
Naas 8 vs 45 MU Barnhall
UCD 39 vs 12 Old Belvedere
Greystones 35 vs 10 NUIG
Lansdowne 53 vs 3 Blackrock College RFC
Clontarf 20 vs 19 Terenure College RFC
Old Wesley 32 vs 15 Suttonians

brockboy02

UCD u20 side:
15 Tim Foley
14 Jamie Stone
13 Oisin O’Meara
12 Tim Costigan
11 Robin Reidy
10 Ciaran Frawley
9 Niall O’Neill
1 Rory Mulvihill
2 Matt O’Donovan
3 Sam Griffin
4 Jack Binchy
5 Alec Byrne
6 Ben Murray
7 David Pogatchnik
8 Ronan Foley

Replacements:
16 Kevin White
17 Evin Coyle
18 Niall Marshall
19 Faolan Crowe
20 Tom Foley
21 Jack O’Shea
22 Brionn Coffey

brockboy02

Peter Kelleher started at 3 for UL Bohs.
Stephen McGivern started at 3 for UCD.
Aaron Browne(u19) stated at 4 for Old Wesley.
Caelan Doris(u19) started at 4 for St. Marys.
Jack Regan started at 4 for Leinster A.
Jonny Guy started for UCD at 6.
John Foley started at 8 for Shannon.
Bailey Faloon started at 8 for Garryowen.
Jack Stafford started at 9 for Shannon.
Calvin Nash started at 14 for Young Munster.
Liam Coombes started at 11 for Garryowen, 1 try.
Colm Hogan started at 11 for DUFC, 1 try.
Conor Kelly started at 11 for Ulster A.
Jack Kelly started at 15 for DUFC.
Luke Carty started at 15 for Buccaneers.

Tim Foley(Outhalf) & Rory Mulvihill(Prop) were on the bench for UCD.
Tadgh McElroy(Hooker) & Paul Boyle(Backrow) were on the bench for Lansdowne.
Conor Dean(Outhalf) was on the bench for St. Marys.
Joey Conway(Prop) was on the bench for UL Bohs.
Gavin Coombes(Backrow) & Alan Tynan(Outhalf) were on the bench for Young Munster.
Peadar Collins(Centre/Wing) was on the bench for Garryowen.
Jordan Larmour(Wing) scored a try off the bench for Leinster A, Oisin Dowling(Lock) was on the bench for Leinster A.

brockboy02

Alan Fitzgerald, munster backrow after picking up an injury that will make him a doubt for 6 nations.

brockboy02

3 under-20's in Ulster A team: Johnny McPhillips(outhalf/fullback), Callum Smith(Centre/Fullback) & Conor Kelly(wing)
2 under-20 in Leinster A team: Jordan Larmour(Wing), Jack Kelly(Fullback/Centre)
7 under-20's in Munster A team: Colm Hogan(Fullback/Wing), John Foley(Backrow), Gavin Coombes(Backrow), Niall Mulcahy(Backrow), Peter Kelleher(Prop), Fineen Wycherley(Lock), Calvin Nash(Centre/wing)
2 under-20's in Connacht A side: Sean Masterson(Backrow), Luke Carty(Outhalf/Fullback)

kingofthekong

Jack Kelly playing 13 is good to see

bilston

Who was ahead of Joey Carberry at Ireland U20 level? He seems far too good to have been left out. Was it Johnston and McPhillips? Or was it the year before when Byrne was 10?

the baby bull elephant

bilston wrote: »

Who was ahead of Joey Carberry at Ireland U20 level? He seems far too good to have been left out. Was it Johnston and McPhillips? Or was it the year before when Byrne was 10?

It was Byrne.

rughug

the baby bull elephant wrote: »

It was Byrne.

He wasn't left out. He played the entire World Cup campaign, yes by default coz Byrne was injured, but he was well on the radar then. Don't get carried away, Castres were awful. Kelleher going to Connacht is an example of how best to manage Irelands emerging talent.

Hagz

All he said was 'It was Byrne'.......

rughug

bilston wrote: »

Who was ahead of Joey Carberry at Ireland U20 level? He seems far too good to have been left out. Was it Johnston and McPhillips? Or was it the year before when Byrne was 10?

Sorry Hagz, I was referring to the earlier mention of him being left out.

Paul Smeenus

brockboy02 wrote: »

3 under-20's in Ulster A team: Johnny McPhillips(outhalf/fullback), Callum Smith(Centre/Fullback) & Conor Kelly(wing)
2 under-20 in Leinster A team: Jordan Larmour(Wing), Jack Kelly(Fullback/Centre)
7 under-20's in Munster A team: Colm Hogan(Fullback/Wing), John Foley(Backrow), Gavin Coombes(Backrow), Niall Mulcahy(Backrow), Peter Kelleher(Prop), Fineen Wycherley(Lock), Calvin Nash(Centre/wing)
2 under-20's in Connacht A side: Sean Masterson(Backrow), Luke Carty(Outhalf/Fullback)

Rob Lyttle on bench for senior Ulster side.

kingofthekong

Did anyone see any of the 'A' games and know how any of the lads got on?

brockboy02

Dublin University 41 vs 13 Clontarf
Terenure College RFC 28 vs 29 Lansdowne
UCD 37 vs 15 Navan
Blackrock College RFC 10 vs 30 St Marys College RFC
Buccaneers 36 vs 13 Greystones
MU Barnhall 27 vs 27 Old Belvedere
NUIG 15 vs 47 Old Wesley

brockboy02

UCD U20
15 Tim Foley
14 Tim Costigan
13 Gavin Mullin
12 Tommy O’Brien
11 Steven Kilgallen
10 Ciaran Frawley
9 Jack Ringrose
1 Richard Mouatt (Capt)
2 Matthew O’Donovan
3 Evin Coyle
4 Jack Regan
5 Niall Marshall
6 David Pogatchnik
7 Ben Murray
8 Jonny Guy

Replacements:
16 Alex Holmes
17 Sam Griffin
18 Conor O’Flynn
19 Faolan Crowe
20 Niall O’Neill
21 Jack O’Shea
22 Oisin O’Meara

The Lost Sheep

Leagues running like normal. Both Munster and Leinster top divisions the usual splits occurring between top sides and rest...

Tarf1234

Having now seen Lansdowne, Terenure and Trinity now. I'd say the gap isn't that big this season. Haven't seen UCD yet but none of the 3 teams Tarf have played are exceptional. We let Trinity off the hook and injuries killed us in Lansdowne. The Lansdowne pitch is a real issue now. We had 4 lower limb injuries in our backs in the first 35 minutes.

Stainalert

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Having now seen Lansdowne, Terenure and Trinity now. I'd say the gap isn't that big this season. Haven't seen UCD yet but none of the 3 teams Tarf have played are exceptional. We let Trinity off the hook and injuries killed us in Lansdowne. The Lansdowne pitch is a real issue now. We had 4 lower limb injuries in our backs in the first 35 minutes.

Hilarious comments around the Lansdowne pitch. For years Clontarf complained about having to play on an artificial pitch against Lansdowne and then they went and installed their own artificial pitch (which uses the same technology). There is nothing wrong with the pitch and your 4 lower limb injuries are an anomaly and I would suggest you look for other causes rather than take the easy option and blame the pitch.

Tarf1234

Stainalert wrote: »

Hilarious comments around the Lansdowne pitch. For years Clontarf complained about having to play on an artificial pitch against Lansdowne and then they went and installed their own artificial pitch (which uses the same technology). There is nothing wrong with the pitch and your 4 lower limb injuries are an anomaly and I would suggest you look for other causes rather than take the easy option and blame the pitch.

Our pitches are entirely different (3G - 4G, yours is 7 years old ours 1). If you have a walk on the Lansdowne pitch you can't deny it is now in brutal condition. What is hilarious is that Lansdowne people still try to protect it.

Stainalert

Sorry to burst your bubble but there is no difference in the technology

http://www.sportsandsafetysurfaces.co.uk/blog/5-a-side-football-pitch/difference-in-3g-4g-5g-6g-synthetic-artificial-pitches

Hundreds of rugby players train and play on that pitch every week varying from small children to elite athletes and it is highly insulting to suggest that Lansdowne or the IRFU (In case you forget the pitch is owned by the IRFU and as such the burden of responsibility is primarily with the IRFU) would endanger any of these players.

Rather than dealing in speculation I would prefer to deal in actual facts. The facts (which Lansdowne as a club constantly monitor) actually suggest that there is a completely normal level of injury associated with the pitch in comparison with grass pitches.

Do you not think that if the pitch was dangerous that Lansdowne would not have made representations to the IRFU?

RuPi

I believe Ireland 20's have a one day camp on Thursday, previously anybody eligible from last year hadn't attended but they will do on Thursday.

Tarf1234

Stainalert wrote: »

Sorry to burst your bubble but there is no difference in the technology

http://www.sportsandsafetysurfaces.co.uk/blog/5-a-side-football-pitch/difference-in-3g-4g-5g-6g-synthetic-artificial-pitches

Hundreds of rugby players train and play on that pitch every week varying from small children to elite athletes and it is highly insulting to suggest that Lansdowne or the IRFU (In case you forget the pitch is owned by the IRFU and as such the burden of responsibility is primarily with the IRFU) would endanger any of these players.

Rather than dealing in speculation I would prefer to deal in actual facts. The facts (which Lansdowne as a club constantly monitor) actually suggest that there is a completely normal level of injury associated with the pitch in comparison with grass pitches.

Do you not think that if the pitch was dangerous that Lansdowne would not have made representations to the IRFU?

So there is no difference between 3 and 4 g from personal experience I would not agree with that. The 7 years wear and tear have made no difference?

I am aware it is the IRFU's responsibility and would put the blame at their feet to a large extent. Also from my personal experience there is usually more ankle and knee injuries their.

The claim that all 3 or 4 or 5 g pitchs are the same is like saying all grass pitches are the same which is a ridiculous.

Tarf1234

RuPi wrote: »

I believe Ireland 20's have a one day camp on Thursday, previously anybody eligible from last year hadn't attended but they will do on Thursday.

Any idea on how many players they're bringing into the camp?

Stainalert

Tarf1234 wrote: »

So there is no difference between 3 and 4 g from personal experience I would not agree with that. The 7 years wear and tear have made no difference?

I am aware it is the IRFU's responsibility and would put the blame at their feet to a large extent. Also from my personal experience there is usually more ankle and knee injuries their.

The claim that all 3 or 4 or 5 g pitchs are the same is like saying all grass pitches are the same which is a ridiculous.

The link in my previous post is from a pitch manufacturer - assume they know what they're talking about.

Of course the pitch is not brand new but it is maintained regularly at a very high level by the IRFU (at Lansdowne's insistence)

Your personal experience is somewhat subjective. My view is based on actual facts.

Number 137

Stainalert wrote: »

The link in my previous post is from a pitch manufacturer - assume they know what they're talking about.

Of course the pitch is not brand new but it is maintained regularly at a very high level by the IRFU (at Lansdowne's insistence)

Your personal experience is somewhat subjective. My view is based on actual facts.

I have to say, having been involved in games on the 3g pitch at Lansdowne Road, and on both 4g pitches in Donnybrook as well as the 4g in Terenure College RFC, the one at Lansdowne Road is an inferior surface in my opinion. It's harder on the joints. And I've heard other people echo these sentiments. I thought the IRFU were planning on re laying it?

Tarf1234

Stainalert wrote: »

The link in my previous post is from a pitch manufacturer - assume they know what they're talking about.

Of course the pitch is not brand new but it is maintained regularly at a very high level by the IRFU (at Lansdowne's insistence)

Your personal experience is somewhat subjective. My view is based on actual facts.

We are talking about one individual pitch of course my opinion is subjective.... The companies website is hardly going to admit that the individual pitch in Lansdowne is inferior.

Why are people paying more for 4G pitches? What is the point in developing new generation pitches if they are all the exact same and don't age?

Stainalert

Tarf1234 wrote: »

We are talking about one individual pitch of course my opinion is subjective.... The companies website is hardly going to admit that the individual pitch in Lansdowne is inferior.

Why are people paying more for 4G pitches? What is the point in developing new generation pitches if they are all the exact same and don't age?

The company quoted has nothing to do with the Lansdowne pitch. They do point out that "With regards to 4G, 5G and 6G pitches then this basically is where companies advertise to have the latest innovation of synthetic sports surfacing. They basically are saying they have designed the 4th generation, 5th generation and sixth generation of the sports artificial carpets but no accreditation is yet given for this standard to date."

Nobody suggested for one minute that pitches don't age.

Your opinion is subjective because you are giving an opinion and have no factual evidence to support your claims. If the pitch is so awful why didn't any Lansdowne players have lower limb injuries that day?

Stainalert

Congrats to Clontarf on Joey Carberry being selected in the national squad announced this afternoon

The Lost Sheep

Stainalert wrote: »

Congrats to Clontarf on Joey Carberry being selected in the national squad announced this afternoon

Well done but relevance to this thread??

This weekend should hopefully see first full round of games in munster 20s league be completed.

D14Rugby

Number 137 wrote: »

I have to say, having been involved in games on the 3g pitch at Lansdowne Road, and on both 4g pitches in Donnybrook as well as the 4g in Terenure College RFC, the one at Lansdowne Road is an inferior surface in my opinion. It's harder on the joints. And I've heard other people echo these sentiments. I thought the IRFU were planning on re laying it?

I have to agree with this having played on them all a fair few times each I've decided I dont like any artificial pitches, I'm a forward so I say bring back mud :P , but the one on the Aviva is 10 times worse to play on and you can definitely feel the affects more the next day.

Saw Terenure vs Marys U20's the other day. Neither team looked amazing but I was pleasantly surprised by mary's, a huge improvement on the last few years.

FellasFellas

Stainalert wrote: »

The company quoted has nothing to do with the Lansdowne pitch. They do point out that "With regards to 4G, 5G and 6G pitches then this basically is where companies advertise to have the latest innovation of synthetic sports surfacing. They basically are saying they have designed the 4th generation, 5th generation and sixth generation of the sports artificial carpets but no accreditation is yet given for this standard to date."

Nobody suggested for one minute that pitches don't age.

Your opinion is subjective because you are giving an opinion and have no factual evidence to support your claims. If the pitch is so awful why didn't any Lansdowne players have lower limb injuries that day?

Well I know at least 5 people who have done their ACL or MCL's on that Lansdowne pitch. There's some factual evidence. It is 100% not up to artificial pitches standards today such as Tarf, Michaels, Donnybrook. UCD's is even not the best, even though Leinster use it regularly.

Tarf1234

Stainalert wrote: »

The company quoted has nothing to do with the Lansdowne pitch. They do point out that "With regards to 4G, 5G and 6G pitches then this basically is where companies advertise to have the latest innovation of synthetic sports surfacing. They basically are saying they have designed the 4th generation, 5th generation and sixth generation of the sports artificial carpets but no accreditation is yet given for this standard to date."

Nobody suggested for one minute that pitches don't age.

Your opinion is subjective because you are giving an opinion and have no factual evidence to support your claims. If the pitch is so awful why didn't any Lansdowne players have lower limb injuries that day?

I have not conducted any long term quantitative study on the Lansdowne pitch, so I guess that makes the pitch fine. It is blindingly obvious though (look at what the other posters are saying) that it is by far the worst artificial pitch in Leinster and my guess is the country. I know a few Lansdowne players who are not found of it and players from Tarf and other clubs who hate or refuse to play on it. Is that all just made up to have some random pop at Lansdowne?

In the first year of it was there not a significant number of serious knee injuries plus a couple of leg breaks for Lansdowne players (Matt Healy I think was one)?

brockboy02

Can we talk about the u20's please?

I see Conor Nash leaving for Oz was confirmed today.

u20 camp in dublin today too.

i think the biggest problem this years u20's have is at prop.

Stainalert

Tarf1234 wrote: »

I have not conducted any long term quantitative study on the Lansdowne pitch, so I guess that makes the pitch fine. It is blindingly obvious though (look at what the other posters are saying) that it is by far the worst artificial pitch in Leinster and my guess is the country. I know a few Lansdowne players who are not found of it and players from Tarf and other clubs who hate or refuse to play on it. Is that all just made up to have some random pop at Lansdowne?

In the first year of it was there not a significant number of serious knee injuries plus a couple of leg breaks for Lansdowne players (Matt Healy I think was one)?

No there were not a significant number of serious knee injuries in the first year and Matt Healy certainly wasn't one but sure look just keep throwing out as many false claims as you like

FellasFellas

Stainalert wrote: »

No there were not a significant number of serious knee injuries in the first year and Matt Healy certainly wasn't one but sure look just keep throwing out as many false claims as you like

Why are you so incredibly protective of your beloved astro? It's well known to be one of the worst; if not the worst around due to it being the oldest. Injuries have happened on that pitch more regularly than any other astroturf I have played or watched games happen on. This is entirely beside the point, but if you're claiming that it is on par with Tarf or Donnybrook or Michaels or Terenure; you're clinically insane.