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long range shooter

selastich2 wrote: »

Another alli akbar lad gone mad with an axe, i wonder what his issue is?

Probably lonely,claims hes not religious,possibly gay or divorced,criminal record,seen a few isis propaganda movies on youtube,drinks alcohol and eat pork.
You know,the usual.

Renegade Mechanic

Old Guy wrote: »

In Sweden teenage girls are encouraged to enter into relationships with migrant men in order to promote tolerance. This should be the norm all across Europe.

Lol it gets better. I remember an article where in one school (Dunno if Sweden, it might actually have been Germany) girls who weren't dating "minorities" were pulled aside and examined in order to see if they were racially motivated.
Lemme go look...

KingBrian2

Picking up on a point raised early ISIS are not identical to Al Qaeda, they are produced in Mosques that are preaching the Wahhabi sermons. The same sermons that Al Qaeda used. The rhetoric is the same. Sewing division amongst communities. The years of warfare have made them harsher and harsher and they are still are spreading their message across the world. Europeans heading to the Muslim World to engage in Jihad. This is exactly what Osama Bin Laden wanted. The leadership has scattered.

BoatMad

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Lol it gets better. I remember an article where in one school (Dunno if Sweden, it might actually have been Germany) girls who weren't dating "minorities" were pulled aside and examined in order to see if they were racially motivated.
Lemme go look...

I think that may have the status of an urban myth or just something Farage said

Ulysses Gaze

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Picking up on a point raised early ISIS are not identical to Al Qaeda, they are produced in Mosques that are preaching the Wahhabi sermons. The same sermons that Al Qaeda used. The rhetoric is the same. Sewing division amongst communities. The years of warfare have made them harsher and harsher and they are still are spreading their message across the world. Europeans heading to the Muslim World to engage in Jihad. This is exactly what Osama Bin Laden wanted. The leadership has scattered.

A solution to this is turn off the funding tap.

Ban the construction of Wahabbi backed Saudi mosques in Europe. Close those that are open now and demolish them.

The second step is to turn our backs on Saudi Arabia.

Stop buying their Oil. Stop selling them weapons. Place travel bans on their Royal Family. Ban them from investing in the western stock markets/property markets.

Turn Saudi into a Pariah state.

Don't see it happening mind...

BoatMad

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Picking up on a point raised early ISIS are not identical to Al Qaeda, they are produced in Mosques that are preaching the Wahhabi sermons. The same sermons that Al Qaeda used. The rhetoric is the same. Sewing division amongst communities. The years of warfare have made them harsher and harsher and they are still are spreading their message across the world. Europeans heading to the Muslim World to engage in Jihad. This is exactly what Osama Bin Laden wanted. The leadership has scattered.

what you are referring to is the strategy of both AL Qaeda and latterly IS, to use the radicalisation of young muslim europeans as a weapon against Europe.

IN that regards IS and Al Qaeda was very different, AL Qaeda fundamentally believed the west to be the central problem in the Middle East. ( the great satan and all that ) It was not particularly concerned with the Sunni Shia divide ( upto a point).

IS actually has little internet interest in the West, IT merely wants to be left alone to build its Caliphate,( and destroy the Shias) a process the west is involved in seriously denying it so.

as a result , IS is striking at Europe more in retaliation to its involvement against IS, then a fundemental relief that the west must be destroyed.

And as IS is being cornered and broken up by a combination of arab powers, the west and russia, it is intensify its actions in the West as it acts like a cornered rat.

of course what radical muslims clerics are telling gullible young disenfranchised 2nd generation muslims , is anyones guess , IS care not

long range shooter

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

A solution to this is turn off the funding tap.

Ban the construction of Wahabbi backed Saudi mosques in Europe. Close those that are open now and demolish them.

The second step is to turn our backs on Saudi Arabia.

Stop buying their Oil. Stop selling them weapons. Place travel bans on their Royal Family. Ban them from investing in the western stock markets/property markets.

Turn Saudi into a Pariah state.

Don't see it happening mind...

I am just afraid the situation might end up even worse then.
Best way is to defeat isis where they are,get Syria back on their feet again and send back all the refugees to build up their country again.
Then the immigration to Europe will end too.

Renegade Mechanic

BoatMad wrote: »

I think that may have the status of an urban myth or just something Farage said

Nah twas on a local news site, like the Tipperary Star kind of thing only in.... whatever country it was. Should have grabbed a shot, it's proving elusive

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

A solution to this is turn off the funding tap.

Ban the construction of Wahabbi backed Saudi mosques in Europe. Close those that are open now and demolish them.

The second step is to turn our backs on Saudi Arabia.

Stop buying their Oil. Stop selling them weapons. Place travel bans on their Royal Family. Ban them from investing in the western stock markets/property markets.

Turn Saudi into a Pariah state.

Don't see it happening mind...

Because it can't. At least from an American point of view. As long as they sell their oil exclusively in dollars, they'll be kept there. Oil will have to run out first

BoatMad

long range shooter wrote: »

I am just afraid the situation might end up even worse then.
Best way is to defeat isis where they are,get Syria back on their feet again and send back all the refugees to build up their country again.
Then the immigration to Europe will end too.

IS as a conquerer of territory is essentially defeated or in the process of being defeated

Unfortunately its way too simplistic to suggest that the terrorist actions can be reduced or eliminated by sending recent immigrants back.

The issue is that the EU has 19 million or so legal Muslims , many 2nd generation European citizens and that is providing fodder for radicalisation

The immigrants are actually not the main problem or source of terrorism

long range shooter

BoatMad wrote: »

IS as a conquerer of territory is essentially defeated or in the process of being defeated

Unfortunately its way too simplistic to suggest that the terrorist actions can be reduced or eliminated by sending recent immigrants back.

The issue is that the EU has 19 million or so legal Muslims , many 2nd generation European citizens and that is providing fodder for radicalisation

The immigrants are actually not the main problem or source of terrorism

Difference between a refugee or asylum seeker.
Most refugees are only here on a temporary basis.
No refugees are not the problem,the problem is that asylumseekers and terrorists are using it as an excuse to get to Europe.

BoatMad

long range shooter wrote: »

Difference between a refugee or asylum seeker.
Most refugees are only here on a temporary basis.
No refugees are not the problem,the problem is that asylumseekers and terrorists are using it as an excuse to get to Europe.

you keep failing to address my point

Sending syrian immigrants home , will in no way lesson the ability of IS and others to radicalise European Muslims , who are typically European citizens . all it will do is make the xenophobics feel better

JP Liz V1

selastich2 wrote: »

He wasn't isis, he was just another lad struggling with his sexuality


It's amazing the LGBT comunity are going to let themselves take the blame for this one, and the one in orlando


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3694928/How-Nice-killer-regularly-used-dating-sites-pick-male-female-lovers-Mobile-phone-examination-reveals-31-year-old-drank-alcohol-smoked-drugs.html

Was he not an Islamist?

NIMAN

Haven't read the thread, but perhaps someone could give me a quick answer.

I had heard for a few days that an Irish citizen was in a critical condition, confirmed in many websites.

Then someone was telling me that he was supposedly ok.

Confused? How do you go from critically ill to ok?

KingBrian2

BoatMad wrote: »

what you are referring to is the strategy of both AL Qaeda and latterly IS, to use the radicalisation of young muslim europeans as a weapon against Europe.

IN that regards IS and Al Qaeda was very different, AL Qaeda fundamentally believed the west to be the central problem in the Middle East. ( the great satan and all that ) It was not particularly concerned with the Sunni Shia divide ( upto a point).

IS actually has little internet interest in the West, IT merely wants to be left alone to build its Caliphate,( and destroy the Shias) a process the west is involved in seriously denying it so.

as a result , IS is striking at Europe more in retaliation to its involvement against IS, then a fundemental relief that the west must be destroyed.

And as IS is being cornered and broken up by a combination of arab powers, the west and russia, it is intensify its actions in the West as it acts like a cornered rat.

of course what radical muslims clerics are telling gullible young disenfranchised 2nd generation muslims , is anyones guess , IS care not

IS will not stop building their Caliphate in Syria and Iraq. They intend to reconquer the Arab world including Jerusalem, Mecca & Medina. You make a big mistake in believing ISIS are not interested in the whole Arab world. Then when will it end, Andalusia the Balkans who knows even as far as Paris, London and New York all teaming with Islamic followers.

long range shooter

BoatMad wrote: »

you keep failing to address my point

Sending syrian immigrants home , will in no way lesson the ability of IS and others to radicalise European Muslims , who are typically European citizens . all it will do is make the xenophobics feel better

No thats true,but seemingly the more muslims the worse it gets.
France and Germany have the biggest muslim populations in Europe.
And my point is,to get even more into Europe will not make the situation any better,thats more food for radical islamists.
And yes i agree with closing down mosques supported by terrorists,and also send back radical imams.
But to provoke the Saudis could escalate the situation even worse.

BoatMad

KingBrian2 wrote: »

IS will not stop building their Caliphate in Syria and Iraq. They intend to reconquer the Arab world including Jerusalem, Mecca & Medina. You make a big mistake in believing ISIS are not interested in the whole Arab world. Then when will it end, Andalusia the Balkans who knows even as far as Paris, London and New York all teaming with Islamic followers.

while I love your " IS to take over the world " biblical stuff , the reality on the ground is that IS as a cohesive force capable of taking and holding territory is finished. It was never going to succeed, against the might of armies that were ranged against it

The issue now is that IS will splinter and sunder and decend into a revenge group against the west

The failed state of Iraq and Irans intentions in it , will keep the Sunnis on a fearful existence and this will continue to provide a breeding ground for Sunni extremists as will the money flowing from Saudi A.

while the IS conflict in Syria and Iraw will come to an end , I fear that the remnants of IS will become more anti -west in nature as revenge sets in . This could mean an escalation in terror attempts

BoatMad

And yes i agree with closing down mosques supported by terrorists,and also send back radical imams.
But to provoke the Saudis could escalate the situation even worse.

no the Saudis are a key failing of the west, They are the financiers and breeding ground for Sunni extremism and its all tacitly supported by elements of the regime

KingBrian2

BoatMad wrote: »

while I love your " IS to take over the world " biblical stuff , the reality on the ground is that IS as a cohesive force capable of taking and holding territory is finished. It was never going to succeed, against the might of armies that were ranged against it

The issue now is that IS will splinter and sunder and decend into a revenge group against the west

The failed state of Iraq and Irans intentions in it , will keep the Sunnis on a fearful existence and this will continue to provide a breeding ground for Sunni extremists as will the money flowing from Saudi A.

while the IS conflict in Syria and Iraw will come to an end , I fear that the remnants of IS will become more anti -west in nature as revenge sets in . This could mean an escalation in terror attempts

They never liked us anyway. They are murderous megalomaniacs bred out of legitimate grievances but most of these thugs don't even care for the people they claim to represent.

NIMAN

Why not let them have their Caliphate, then once they are settled in it, nuke it.

long range shooter

BoatMad wrote: »

no the Saudis are a key failing of the west, They are the financiers and breeding ground for Sunni extremism and its all tacitly supported by elements of the regime

Exactly,and by provoking them,could excalate the situation in the region even more.
Saudi arabia is one of the most powerful arabic nations in terms of money and military.

BoatMad

long range shooter wrote: »

Exactly,and by provoking them,could excalate the situation in the region even more.
Saudi arabia is one of the most powerful arabic nations in terms of money and military.

its a minow compared to the US , Id give the country about 6 days of resistance to occupation

KingBrian2

long range shooter wrote: »

Exactly,and by provoking them,could excalate the situation in the region even more.
Saudi arabia is one of the most powerful arabic nations in terms of money and military.

Osama Bin Laden was a Saudi cleric. If ever their was a case for positive discrimination. The foot fits the boot.

long range shooter

BoatMad wrote: »

its a minow compared to the US , Id give the country about 6 days of resistance to occupation

Well if we talking an invasion offcourse,Saudi doesnt stand a chance against western forces,however if like you mentioned before by stopping radical mosques and payments to radical mosques,its a different story.

long range shooter

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Osama Bin Laden was a Saudi cleric. If ever their was a case for positive discrimination. The foot fits the boot.

It sure does,and its not much positive about it really.

BoatMad

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Osama Bin Laden was a Saudi cleric. If ever their was a case for positive discrimination. The foot fits the boot.

there is enormous evidence that Saudi Arabia is funding and encouraging Sunni extremism , not withstanding that it sees itself in a proxy war with ****e Iran anyway. There is evidence that it is implicated in 9.11 and other atrocities

The US is of course famously blinded by the doctrine of the enemy of my enemy is my friend , and forgets that that " friend " may also be your enemy too.

JuliusSeizure

NIMAN wrote: »

Why not let them have their Caliphate, then once they are settled in it, nuke it.

Don't think the Spanish, Portuguese or Italians would like that too much.

long range shooter

JuliusSeizure wrote: »

Don't think the Spanish, Portuguese or Italians would like that too much.

Thought they where catholic caliphate

Jimmy Garlic

BoatMad wrote: »

there is enormous evidence that Saudi Arabia is funding and encouraging Sunni extremism , not withstanding that it sees itself in a proxy war with ****e Iran anyway. There is evidence that it is implicated in 9.11 and other atrocities

The US is of course famously blinded by the doctrine of the enemy of my enemy is my friend , and forgets that that " friend " may also be your enemy too.

Project for a new American Century (PNAC). A never ending series of wars and a balkenised Middle East. Things are going to plan (with some delays)

BoatMad

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Project for a new American Century (PNAC). A never ending series of wars and a balkenised Middle East. Things are going to plan (with some delays)

well of course, a little collateral damage in wussy Eurup, is of little concern

BuilderPlumber

BoatMad wrote: »

there is enormous evidence that Saudi Arabia is funding and encouraging Sunni extremism , not withstanding that it sees itself in a proxy war with ****e Iran anyway. There is evidence that it is implicated in 9.11 and other atrocities

The US is of course famously blinded by the doctrine of the enemy of my enemy is my friend , and forgets that that " friend " may also be your enemy too.

Saudi Arabia is the elephant in the room when it comes to the problem of Sunni extremism. By right, Saudi Arabia should be a combination of Spain and Norway: a rich progressive, democratic country with an educated and progressive government and people with a massive tourist industry. Instead, it is backward, corrupt, unequal and above all fascist. Saudi could be the role model for the Middle East in a good way but is actually the opposite. Other countries in the region have the excuse of war and estranged relationships with the world. Saudi Arabia have none of these excuses and is more repressive than any other country in the region apart from terrorist controlled parts of Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan and North Africa.

Saudi Arabia of course funds a lot of terrorism in the Middle East. This is ignored by everyone: the US, Europe, even Israel. They all have decided to blame Iran instead for what Saudi Arabia funds. Saudi Arabia = world's number one sponsor of terrorism but also as it stands the world's number one oil supplier. They are holding all the aces and they know the world needs them more than they need the rest of the world. You notice too every event of the recent Middle East history benefited Saudi:

Iran Iraq war neutralised Saudi's two main oil rivals. Afghanistan proved a handy country to infiltrate and turn this Persian country into Saudi Arabia without oil. The Iraq v America wars totally destroyed Iraq, Saudi's main Arab oil rival. 9/11 of course only added to this because Bush was going to blame Saddam anyway. America's anti-Iran stance conveniently shifted the blame for what Saudi was up to. Khatami's and Ahmadinejad's attempts to reach out to Bush to improve relations were 100% ignored and that suited Saudi. Syria being in a mess and North Africa too only furthered Saudi's position as the only Arab regional power.

Saudi's desires to eliminate Persian (Iran, Afghanistan) culture and to make sure other rising Arab powers were cut down seems to be working out well other than the fact that Iran is moving in a positive direction. Of course Iran is more of a friend to America and the West than Saudi Arabia. The problem is they have not recognised this and have scuppered many opportunities to heal relations with Iran mainly because of Saudi Arabia. With Iran's oil and gas industry becoming more and more modern, perhaps Saudi Arabia's day as the main oil power will end. The sooner this happens the better.

KingBrian2

Yemen, Sudan, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon & Libya yeah all on the hitlist all in turmoil at the moment.

long range shooter

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Yemen, Sudan, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon & Libya yeah all on the hitlist all in turmoil at the moment.

The release of nuclear weapons have been authorized.

Gamb!t

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

French people are running out of patience

Cant blame them,they don't take any sh!t.

KingBrian2

The Non-Proliferation Treaty was designed to diminish the stockpiles of Nuclear weapons in use. Given recent actions Nations can easily make the argument that Nuclear and Chemical Weapons are needed as a deterrence from an aggressor.

A Dub in Glasgo

KingBrian2 wrote: »

The Non-Proliferation Treaty was designed to diminish the stockpiles of Nuclear weapons in use. Given recent actions Nations can easily make the argument that Nuclear and Chemical Weapons are needed as a deterrence from an aggressor.

No they can't

biko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9jX6qtpZ1E

KingBrian2

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

No they can't

Well why can't they? If you know you could be attacked by an aggressor you better have a deterrent to keep them at bay.

Stigura

biko wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

That was actually quite weird! See; My eyes aren't what they used to be. I have other, slight, issues too. So, I read that at " Residents Split On Spot Where .... "

And I put 2 + 2 and made 5. I guessed it was indecision about where he gunned the engine / hit the first person.

Then, I'm watching the film about this ~ and I could swear some cnut's just spat on the 'memorial'. Then, I'm realising they're seemingly tossing litter on the spot. It got Fcuking weird then!


The Marine's will be along. Then we'll see if Le Pen is mightier than the sword

LuckyRoche

The death toll has risen to 85 as a 56 year old man who was on life support passed away last night.

May they all rest in peace.

Duggy747

His wife and son also died that night, the 14 year old daughter is still in hospital.

I think the number is still at 40+ in critical condition, the death toll can still rise unfortunately.

LuckyRoche

Another 13 French died in a bar fire in Rouen last night. Horrible.

The country is getting more bad news after bad news. Poor bastards can't catch a break.