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Gatling

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

You make it sound like islam peacefully assimilated into europe in the past.

Past I see .

Not like Muslims have been carrying out atrocities for the last few hundred years in Europe,

StringerBell

rjpf1980 wrote: »

Give me the orders and the weapons and I will fight.

Go join up with the Kurds, they will take you, or join any of these countries that are fighting ISIS who will take you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_militaries_that_recruit_foreigners

It will involved you leaving your bedroom of course

nullzero

Such a shocking method of killing. It does however display a certain desperation on the part of these people. Last year they could organize synchronized military style attacks in Paris, this year it's driving a truck at people. Ultimately innocent people die but the refinement of previous attacks is not apparent, although it is in no way heartening as people have lost their lives as a result.

Sand

gandalf wrote: »

No just pointing out that ALL RELIGIONS have fanatics who are prepared to carry out acts of murder to prove they are the correct one.

To tar all Muslims with the acts of a pack of Fanatics is lazy and dangerous. FFS these guys bombed the second holiest sites in Islam during Ramadan. It shows what they really think of their fellow muslims.

Sure, all religious groups are crazy, but there is a risk ranking of which religious group is going to kill me for their god and Muslim extremists are at the top of it, there is a huge, huge, huge gap and then the rest start showing up.

Idbatterim

RedemptionZ wrote: »

How long until something is done? Europe has a problem with Islamic extremism. When will this be acknowledged? When will people stop denying we have a problem?

I acknowledge France in particular has a problem. And the solution is? It may be a case that we simply have to accept this as the new reality... Trump, Obama can talk all the hard talk they like, it counts for nothing. You aren't dealing with rational people here. We can talk all we want about stopping it, I don't see how we can. Until the the lunatics want to stop attacking, because let's be honest, it's at their discretion!

Manic Moran

Deleted User wrote: »

Manic Moran wrote: »

Umm... Yes it is. From Oklahoma to Karachi. It's not as if the Irish haven't put a ton and a half of home made explosives into a truck and set it off a few times.

Why would you think that it's such a difficult concept?

Between the US and Greece and North of Morocco how many times has that happened in the last 20 years?

How many terror campaigns have been going on in the last 20 years? Apparently the answer to your question (now I'm looking it up) is one truck, four vans. (UK, Norway, Spain x2). The number goes up if you go back further.

In any case, that the few terrorist incidents going on in the EU in the last two decades haven't normally involved bombs in cargo vehicles in no way means that they are not common elsewhere, or that folks aren't considering it, or that the police aren't keeping an eye out for that sort of thing. Certainly if I were the police, I'd be thinking about it.

YFlyer

20Cent wrote: »

If you really want to be on the front lines against Isis you'd need to join one of the Kurdish groups who are em Muslim.

Better to be part of a large group of Yogic Flyers creating coherence in Europe.

BorneTobyWilde

http://www.stream2watch.co/live-now/live-tv/us/fox-news-live-stream

gandalf

Sand wrote: »

Sure, all religious groups are crazy, but there is a risk ranking of which religious group is going to kill me for their god and Muslim extremists are at the top of it, there is a huge, huge, huge gap and then the rest start showing up.

So are you part of the deport all Muslims brigade as well then Sand?

FA Hayek

Sand wrote: »

Ah please - do we really have to compare actual terrorists to historical and hypothetical terrorists for balance now?

I can never understand this 'Sure all religions are the same' argument.

No.They.Are.Not.

How many Amish people have blown themselves up in crowd?
How many Zoroastrian's have shot up a crowd?
How many Quaker's have flown a plane into a skyscraper?

Its used as some people who are so ideologically invested in the argument cannot under any circumstances admit or even contemplate that there is something unique within Islam that brings so much death and destruction to the Middle East and the West.

An other example, look at the attack in Orlando last month. It wasn't an Islamic State attack, it was an attack by a homophobe or so the progressive right on response went. What ever they did they never mentioned the elephant in the room. The debate also centered around gun control and of course the Christian right got a good kicking as well. Islam, shhhhh cannot even mention it. Mention it and you are a terrible racist Islamaphobe.

Lets keep the discussion real, look at the groups involved and the ideology they adhere to.

BorneTobyWilde

Mormon girls blow bubbles and make cookies. Not blow themselves up .

rjpf1980

StringerBell wrote: »

Go join up with the Kurds, they will take you, or join any of these countries that are fighting ISIS who will take you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_militaries_that_recruit_foreigners

I just might.

Like the wild geese in the past. We need to fight for generations yet unborn so they will not live under Sharia.

An Irish legion should be formed with men from every parish and county and province in platoons companies and battalions. They should be armed and trained and go over there to help in anyway they can.

Manutd_4life

For anyone who thinks ISIS members are Muslims :

ISIS bombed many countries including Muslim countries during the holy month of Ramadan. If you still think ISIS are Muslims you need to delete your life.

gandalf

rjpf1980 wrote: »

I just might.

Like the wild geese in the past. We need to fight for generations yet unborn so they will not live under Sharia.

An Irish legion should be formed with men from every parish and county and province in platoons companies and battalions. They should be armed and trained and go over there to help in anyway they can.

You are aware that the majority religion of the Kurds is Islam.

FA Hayek

gandalf wrote: »

So are you part of the deport all Muslims brigade as well then Sand?

Note: See this is the standard response. You go against the progressive grain you are automatically on the blackfoot because of course we hate all muslims and want to deport all of them course. Sure all Muslims are terrorists even though no one ever said that.


Sigh...
Every single time words are put into our mouths and its impossible to have a discussion without being accused as some BNP white supremacist fanatic.

vg88

Manutd_4life wrote: »

For anyone who thinks ISIS members are Muslims :

ISIS bombed many countries including Muslim countries during the holy month of Ramadan. If you still think ISIS are Muslims you need to delete your life.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

BorneTobyWilde

Bill Oreily

Where is Clinton??? I ring Trump and within 8 mins you are here on phone on air, reacting, giving leadership.

Manic Moran

Manic Moran wrote: »

How many terror campaigns have been going on in the last 20 years? Apparently the answer to your question (now I'm looking it up) is one truck, four vans. (UK, Norway, Spain x2). The number goes up if you go back further.

In any case, that the few terrorist incidents going on in the EU in the last two decades haven't normally involved bombs in cargo vehicles in no way means that they are not common elsewhere, or that folks aren't considering it, or that the police aren't keeping an eye out for that sort of thing. Certainly if I were the police, I'd be thinking about it.

Yes, that's what I was saying, getting over a ton of explosives in Europe is incredibly difficult. There's been hundred if not thousands caught trying to do it and locked up. It slips through incredibly rarely. Driving a truck into people is something that intelligence can't really stop.

gandalf

FA Hayek wrote: »

Note: See this is the standard response. You go against the progressive grain you are automatically on the blackfoot because of course we hate all muslims and want to deport all of them course. Sure all Muslims are terrorists even though no one ever said that.


Sigh...
Every single time words are put into our mouths and its impossible to have a discussion without being accused as some BNP white supremacist fanatic.

No I realise that the threat from these fanatics is real but reading a lot of comments here at the moment and from the past a significant number cannot seem to separate the fanatics from the majority of people who are trying to live their lives peacefully with their families.

rjpf1980

gandalf wrote: »

You are aware that the majority religion of the Kurds is Islam.

I am well aware of that. The enemy is radical extremist Islam. Muslims are already fighting and dying to defeat radical Islam in case you haven't noticed.

AllGunsBlazing

It's seems to have gotten to the stage where France can expect at least one or two of these attacks a year.

Rainman16

75 now reported dead

RobertKK

One woman on CNN said there are 10 dead in front of her apartment, and that there are bodies everywhere.

Jimmy Garlic

gandalf wrote: »

You are aware that the majority religion of the Kurds is Islam.

Actually lot of Kurds are abandoning Islam altogether and going back to Zoroastrianism. Basically the Kurds adopted Islam in the first place because they didn't want to be murdered and raped into extinction.

gandalf

rjpf1980 wrote: »

I am well aware of that. The enemy is radical extremist Islam. Muslims are already fighting and dying to defeat radical Islam in case you haven't noticed.

Oh I am very aware of that just ensuring you are aware of that as well. Tell us when you are flying out so we can give you a heroes send off will you like a good chap

gosplan

In a world without borders the days where the west could fcuk up a region and not worry about it are over.

I've no idea how to deal with radical Islam. I think it's going to take a lot of time.

But people here need to cop on and realise that this is not about Islam.

If the world had treated South America in the same manner for the last 100 years, it's guaranteed we'd all be talking about radical Catholicism.

It's not even that hard to understand.

yoyo

I was only walking down the Promenade des Anglais about 3 weeks ago, frightening to even imagine this happening. RIP to all the innocent victims.

punk_one82

rjpf1980 wrote: »

I just might.

Like the wild geese in the past. We need to fight for generations yet unborn so they will not live under Sharia.

An Irish legion should be formed with men from every parish and county and province in platoons companies and battalions. They should be armed and trained and go over there to help in anyway they can.

Lay off the pipe, pal. I think you've watched a few too many war films.

gandalf

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Actually lot of Kurds are abandoning Islam altogether and going back to Zoroastrianism. Basically the Kurds adopted Islam in the first place because they didn't want to be murdered and raped into extinction.

Where did you hear that?

the evasion_kid

punk_one82 wrote: »

Lay off the pipe, pal. I think you've watched a few too many war films.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKdJ6DnPhzk

Its dead Jim

Manutd_4life wrote: »

For anyone who thinks ISIS members are Muslims :

ISIS bombed many countries including Muslim countries during the holy month of Ramadan. If you still think ISIS are Muslims you need to delete your life.

They are Muslims. Just because the KKK targeted another Christian group it didn't stop them being Christians. Islam is split into many groups, some dangerous (ISIS) some not dangerous (those guys that begin with A, cant remember the full name).

mansize

punk_one82 wrote: »

Lay off the pipe, pal. I think you've watched a few too many war films.

Leave him be, he's no doubt setting up a FB page to recruit members as we type

FizzleSticks

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BoJack Horseman

gandalf wrote: »

Tell us when you are flying out so we can give you a heroes send off will you like a good chap

When are you heading out Gandalf.

Raqqa will be very hot, so... you know... factor 50 yourself good.
And don't bother with bringing razors!

Jimmy Garlic

gandalf wrote: »

Where did you hear that?

Plenty of info out there if you look.

Zoroastrians today are present in several areas of Iraqi Kurdistan and other areas administratively affiliated with the Iraqi federal government. But there are no accurate figures of their numbers as they are still referred to as "Muslims” on their identity documents, even though they engage in Zoroastrian religious rituals. This represents a restriction on their right to freedom of belief, especially since converting from Islam to another religion is considered a crime according to the Personal Status Law.
At the Zoroastrian Cultural and Heritage Center in Sulaimaniyah — which contains a small temple where Zoroastrian rituals are being held for the first time in modern Iraqi history — Peer Luqman Haji, the spiritual leader of Iraqi Zoroastrians, administers the conversion from Islam to Zoroastrianism through the Kushti tying ceremony (a Kushti is the sacred girdle worn by Zoroastrians around their waists) and marriage ceremonies according to the Zoroastrian tradition.

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/02/iraq-kurdistan-religious-minorities-zoroastrianism.html#ixzz4EQrTM04C

StringerBell

rjpf1980 wrote: »

I just might.

Like the wild geese in the past. We need to fight for generations yet unborn so they will not live under Sharia.

An Irish legion should be formed with men from every parish and county and province in platoons companies and battalions. They should be armed and trained and go over there to help in anyway they can.

I just might is a bit different from "I will fight" and all this we bull****, if you feel strongly enough about this then get off your ass and go and do something about it.

We need to find a solution to this alright, but we don't need to go ahead and lose our humanity to do it.

Extremism of any form is destructive, fundamentalism of any form is dangerous, segregation is not the answer. You think all they want to do is kill non muslims, conquer, instill Sharia law everywhere, grand. Sending them all off to their own countries together, closing borders and ensuring total segregation (not possible anyway obviously) doesn't seem very bright to me in that case.

They get to plot and develop weapons, weapons that they do not need to be in your country to do you harm with.

A missile from North Africa carrying Nuclear material can hit Ireland no problem, don't need any Muslims in the country to make that happen, send them off to grow their military unhindered and get an air force, a naval force to attack their enemies with, how big of a wall you think you need to build to protect yourself really?

Education, integration and the nominal Muslim population, together with the moderate, progressive Muslim population are all crucial factors to ending this Global Jihad, there is certainly one in progress, has been for many, many years now and with better weapons, better technologies, further division will not be a solution.

Either bite the bullet and abandon the moral compass altogether, shed the remnants of humanity that remain and turn the Middle East into a depopulated, flattened, car park. Wiping Saudi off the map for starters, or forget the thought that building barriers between Muslims and everybody else is the way to go.

Total annihilation of Muslims doesn't seem plausible though, and whatever is left will certainly be radical as ****, though might buy us a few years without attack while they get to a place where they have rebuilt sufficiently to begin attacks again.

Sorry for the rant.

Atlantic Dawn

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Bill Oreily

Where is Clinton??? I ring Trump and within 8 mins you are here on phone on air, reacting, giving leadership.

#AnyoneButHillary

my friend

The EU is finished

Putins power increases tonight

Cortina_MK_IV

At least 75...

super_furry

Ever read the Bible? Funnily enough it says the same things - it also says that slavery is okay, that it's alright to murder anyone that has an affair and that anyone who dishonours their parents should be killed.

BoJack Horseman

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Plenty of info out there if you look.

Apparently upwards of 100k converts in the last couple of years in Iraqi Kurdistan alone.

Christy42

It also has the ten commandments from the old testament. Moses is still a prophet in Islam. Thou shalt not kill is still in there. Merely that the ISIS wackjobs dexcited not to care about that part. Many Muslims do care about it. Religious books have enough contradictory guidance that you can take what you want from any of them.

BorneTobyWilde

Geraldo
Obama needs to declare war on ISIS .
An official declaration of war . You attack one NATO country ,you attacked them all.
Why is the world so afraid of fighting ISIS?
We poke them with a long stick and run away..

gosplan

The bible promoted mass murder, slavery and so on.

Like I said, it's not hard to understand where the radicalisation but comes from. You'd have to look into it though rather than going with the most simplistic sensationalist rationale.

BoJack Horseman

my friend wrote: »

The EU is finished

Putins power increases tonight

Well, the mass importation scheme is questioned.... but it isn't being halted.

People will defend the policies of their presidents Tusk & Junker to the hilt.

BlaasForRafa

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Actually lot of Kurds are abandoning Islam altogether and going back to Zoroastrianism. Basically the Kurds adopted Islam in the first place because they didn't want to be murdered and raped into extinction.

And in any case the Kurds mainly follow a different branch of Islam to that propogated by extremists much of it through Saudi funding.

RobertKK

gosplan wrote: »

In a world without borders the days where the west could fcuk up a region and not worry about it are over.

I've no idea how to deal with radical Islam. I think it's going to take a lot of time.

But people here need to cop on and realise that this is not about Islam.

If the world had treated South America in the same manner for the last 100 years, it's guaranteed we'd all be talking about radical Catholicism.

It's not even that hard to understand.

Islam has no one main leader which is a problem for the religion. Instead you have nations like Saudi Arabia who support an extreme version of Islam.

You would not get radical Catholicism given the structure of the church. Then most western nations and the Holy See have close relations for many centuries. The Holy See also have very good relations with nations like Iran which may seem odd.
As a political entity, the Holy See is a success for promoting peace, and did warn both Bush and Blair about invading Iraq.

ChunkyLover54

my friend wrote: »

Putins power increases tonight

No way, he's way too spineless

StringerBell

super_furry wrote: »

Ever read the Bible? Funnily enough it says the same things - it also says that slavery is okay, that it's alright to murder anyone that has an affair and that anyone who dishonours their parents should be killed.

Not to mention those who work on the Sabbath, President Bartlett had a great monologue regarding Biblical passages.

gandalf

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

When are you heading out Gandalf.

Raqqa will be very hot, so... you know... factor 50 yourself good.
And don't bother with bringing razors!

Hey I'm not the one going all armchair warrior here Bojack, rjpf1980 will be needing the factor 50. Maybe you could join him eh!