People on boards, are you also on reddit and which one is better?

Wibbs

Titanucd wrote: »

There is an inherent childishness in a lot of the posters that really grates.

Aye and Seamus has spotted a likely reason why…

seamus wrote: »

Very US-heavy opinion set so you get a lot of people with ridiculously unreasonable points of view on some topics, that would be considered normal in the states.

I have found Americans to be almost impossible to discuss anything with in subjects of a general nature. They can be fantastic for specific technical stuff and are usually more helpful than many IRish TBH, but in general terms? Nope. They can come across as morons and god forbid you suggest they may be talking without recourse to their fundament(you'd have to dumb that right down) and they can go off on one. They can be incredibly polarised a culture on so many subjects. Very much a culture of contrasts(with a large side of hypocrisy) and never the twain shall meet.

anothernight wrote: »

I thought that was just me! Every time there's a new AH mod, my first thought when I read the announcement thread's title is "who???". I actually had to check now to see who mods AH these days.

Yeah, it's been like that for a good while now. I can't actually recall the last time a regular poster in a high traffic forum was made a mod? There can be good reasons for it, e.g. regular posters may stop because they become a mod.

Boards hid the scope of the site under a single tab named "Topics". To a new user, the site must look tiny, even though it isn't. Although these days it might as well be, since outside AH some forums are basically dying through obscurity.

Apparently they got external "experts" in and had a meeting and this was the outcome. *slow handclap*

Iseedeadpixels

Reddit is good for soccer threads as Im not banned off it there :pac:

I enjoy boards discussions more but I would use reddit more as it's got a bigger user base/different discussions etc.

Cina

I think boards would be far better without the Social Media-esque Likes system that's in place. I find other forums where people aren't just posting to get lots of likes better for conversation, and also it makes it better to respond to good posts instead of just 'liking' them.

Outlaw Pete

Earthhorse wrote: »

It makes as much sense as ordering it chronologically.

No it doesn't :P Discussions in real life take place chronologically. Of course that is the logical and apt way to default sorting. You don't have conversations with people where only the agreed with is heard. On reddit, by your own admission, you won't waste your time reading comments which have not been well liked and so you are putting your trust in a bunch of strangers.

Because each top level comment is the beginning of a discussion in and of itself. The top level comments are posted in reply to the original topic and then people reply to those as they see fit. It's easy to follow the discussion, they just tend to be more granular and shorter on Reddit.

Look, I like reddit, I am reading the 'Portmarnock today' now and while I am interested in the thread and there are only 32 posts in it, it's still a bloody headwrecker trying to find that last thing to be said on the God damn thing. I don't mind that you can sort by 'best', nor any of the other options but by default it should be sorted by 'most recent' to 'oldest' or vice versa. Even if I sort by 'old' or 'new' it still won't sort all posts by date as you still have to scroll through all the damn convos to see where the most recent post is. Maybe I'm too old for it. Where's my pack of Werther's Originals.

Sleepy

On a mobile device, I'll browse Reddit (but very, very rarely comment). On a laptop, I'll be on boards.ie.

Sudden Valley

There is no equivalent of R/TheRedPill or R/The Donald so definitely views, whether conservative or liberal, tend to be less extreme on boards.ie. Reddit is obviously much bigger so is better for looking for information on niche subjects. I don't like the downvoting system on Reddit, it doesn't make some controversial forums unreadable due to vote brigading.

Skylinehead

Reddits great for specific things - for me, a few games, TV shows, and football (soccer subreddit for goals and news mainly, boards doesn't do that)

It's awful for others. Half the conversations just end up in endless tired memefests, and the Ireland sub is dire - half the page will be hating boards, and the other half about Sinn Fein and Irish unification.

Guy:Incognito

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The punchline of a joke would probably prove the most popular part. You wouldnt want to read it first though.

Joke
-Blah
-Blah
--Punchline <---- This cannot possibly move above its parent no matter how popular it is.

You have to actively disregard what many posters are saying to believe you could ever read a punchline first. Whatever it takes to support an opinion I guess.

Earthhorse

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

No it doesn't :P

Yes it does.

Discussions in real life take place chronologically. Of course that is the logical and apt way to default sorting. You don't have conversations with people where only the agreed with is heard. On reddit, by your own admission, you won't waste your time reading comments which have not been well liked and so you are putting your trust in a bunch of strangers.

On boards priority is given to who responded first. Even if the first response is crap or the first ten responses all say the same thing. So here you are putting your trust in blind luck that those who respond first are worth listening to.

Look, I like reddit, I am reading the 'Portmarnock today' now and while I am interested in the thread and there are only 32 posts in it, it's still a bloody headwrecker trying to find that last thing to be said on the God damn thing. I don't mind that you can sort by 'best', nor any of the other options but by default it should be sorted by 'most recent' to 'oldest' or vice versa. Even if I sort by 'old' or 'new' it still won't sort all posts by date as you still have to scroll through all the damn convos to see where the most recent post is. Maybe I'm too old for it. Where's my pack of Werther's Originals.

I'm not trying to convince you to pick one over the other just explaining that top level comments aren't responses to other top level comments as you seemed to think. I agree it's difficult to find new posts on a discussion like you say. I believe there are plug ins that can help with that.

Lucas Hood

Skylinehead wrote: »

Reddits great for specific things - for me, a few games, TV shows, and football (soccer subreddit for goals and news mainly, boards doesn't do that)

It's awful for others. Half the conversations just end up in endless tired memefests, and the Ireland sub is dire - half the page will be hating boards, and the other half about Sinn Fein and Irish unification.

This is a big reason for me using reddit more.

It can be a pain in the arse with all the americanisms on there but get over that and its a great site.

The Moldy Gowl

Lucas Hood wrote: »

This is a big reason for me using reddit more.

It can be a pain in the arse with all the americanisms on there but get over that and its a great site.

After getting banned from boards soccer to fully going to reddit, it's way better better for soccer in general.

You don't have to read the pages and pages of 2 posters fighting. You can down vote them, call them a miserable prick and not get banned.

The over modding of soccer gifs or streams is annoying but I know why it's there but will drive away new posters who will go to reddit.


The American jokes are ball busting and annoying so are the constant posts of

EDIT: my highest comment is about poo. Oh yes guys.

Melts my face off everytime

um7y1h83ge06nx

I finally copped that you can click All on the top left of Reddit to show everything

https://www.reddit.com/r/all/

It's mental how there appears to be a sub-Reddit for almost everything. Found a busy one for the SNES r/snes and I found ones for very random games too.

Duggy747

Reddit purely for the content and endless amounts of topics and various threads to read through, so people saying the topics aren't interesting is truly a bizarre thing to say and sounds like not much more than a few minutes had been spent on the site.

Askreddit is probably my favourite as there's some truly fascinating stuff to be read there, especially when people from different fields / careers chime in on topics. Seeing Arnold Schwarzenegger or Peter Mayhew (Chewbacca) randomly pop up in threads is always bizarre.

The layout is a pile of shíte, though it doesn't take no more than a few minutes to wrap your head around it. I utterly hate how my subreddits constantly disappear from the drop-down menu requiring me to take extra steps to get to them. People complain about the menus here on Boards but Reddit does an abysmal job with them and they keep fúcking about with the algorithms.

I prefer Boards for discussion and while Reddit might get the updates on breaking news, a forum is the better place to discuss these things rather than the echo chamber that is Reddit.

It can be a terribly unfriendly place too, many subreddits I'm on have died a slow death thanks to constant downvoting of comments and new threads so content has dried up on them.

_Tombstone_

Wibbs wrote: »

If you like this site you really shouldn't T. Dav is not the problem. He might be the guy in the public view, but he lives and breathes this site/used to be community. And I say that as someone who has had disagreements with the chap in the past.

Hard to know what you can say here without getting a bloody ban (nice job mods) so I'll just leave it at, I'm delighted.

Carry on in Feedback for the last 18 months is a joke.

LunarSea

This place is the most poorly moderated site I've ever used. If there was such thing as an alternative I'd use that. "precious flowers of the internet" seems more appropriate than "boards".

And the search function isn't worth shít.

Arghus

Reddit can be handy if I want to talk or find about anything that's relatively niche, due to its global reach and user base. That's its biggest selling point in my view.

I agree that traffic isn't what it used to be around boards.ie in general, and that modding can sometimes be a bit busy but - call me old fashioned - I still prefer the layout around here to reddit, and I like how discussions can still be carried out in relative constructive civility a lot of the time.

I don't feel that I'm being denied one of my internet human rights by not having the ability 90% of the time to call someone a dickhead if I feel like it. That bastion of free speech is overrated, especially when it comes to trying to ensure that discussions don't degenerate into pointless tit for tat bickering matches.

Cake Man

Use both, have got more into Reddit the last few months though. It has some really good subreddits and some of stuff can be hilarious. I find here is alright but it seems every decent thread just decends into pointless bickering. IMO Reddit is fairly welcoming and friendly.


The whole commenting thing is strange but the reality is there are just too many posts, threads and content to get through so it probably makes sense to have a system of filtering the best ones.


The Americans can be fairly annoying though, there was a British poster made a thread a few weeks ago asking something along the lines of "If each English county had a dinner party, what would each county bring?" and apparently the mods were inundated with mails asking them to shut it down as "it wasn't in the interests of America", some load of boll!x.


I also don't really get the whole "gold" and "karma" stuff, it seems weird. It's almost like a competition for people to get this stuff with many posters almost making it a life goal.


One other thing that annoys me about it is the way people from each country try desperately to play up their countries stereotypes. Like you always see Australians saying how everything in Australia is out to kill you, English saying they need a cup of tea and a queue, Canadians saying "sorry" all the time. It's like they try to out-do each other in how "mad" they are, it's cringey.

anothernight

Arghus wrote: »

I don't feel that I'm being denied one of my internet human rights by not having the ability 90% of the time to call someone a dickhead if I feel like it.

I would agree with you if that's how the moderation worked here, but in some of the forums, it isn't.
I've only been carded once here. My crime? Trying to make a rape victim feel better by telling her to not listen to a guy in the thread who was openly accusing her of causing her rape, insinuating she was a slut. I didn't insult him. I just tried to make her feel better. It was one of those "what the actual fúck?" moments.

I expect that a mod will appear soon to warn us all that moderation can't be discussed in-thread.

I've been a regular of many forums, but this is the only one where any of my posts have been deleted (posts that didn't break any forum rules! PM me for details if you'd like to know). I've never seen as many mod warnings as on this site. I've also never seen as much bickering either.

It didn't used to be that way. Community management around here used to be a lot better, but I'm talking years ago at this stage.


The only reason I ever lurk or post around here is because of the Irish bit, but as my connection to Ireland fades and the site deteriorates, I can't help but see it as the backwards rural cousin of its more modern counterparts. At the moment it's Reddit, but any online forum with a big enough community, functional moderation and a wide spread of topics (not necessarily in their own tabs, just present in the forum) would do really.


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Typing that out reminded me of the demise of the Sims UK forum. It used to be very good for a teenager, and as usual the Off Topic forum was the most populated. Then the moderation became draconian and they managed to IP ban many of the regulars for all sorts of random things. Then EA Games merged the Sims forum with all the other forums for all their other games. It took years for that site to recover from its near suicide, not that I was there to see it.

robbiezero

Have never used reddit, just don't have the time for multiple forums.
How much time do people spend in a day on these Internet forums?

OldMrBrennan83

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lawlolawl

robbiezero wrote: »

Have never used reddit, just don't have the time for multiple forums.
How much time do people spend in a day on these Internet forums?

I don't watch TV much at all. Forums and the like are my entertainment.

Wibbs

_Tombstone_ wrote: »

Carry on in Feedback for the last 18 months is a joke.

I agree, but again I'd say IMHO he was the public face of back office BS.

anothernight wrote: »

I would agree with you if that's how the moderation worked here, but in some of the forums, it isn't.
I've only been carded once here. My crime? Trying to make a rape victim feel better by telling her to not listen to a guy in the thread who was openly accusing her of causing her rape, insinuating she was a slut. I didn't insult him. I just tried to make her feel better. It was one of those "what the actual fúck?" moments.

I expect that a mod will appear soon to warn us all that moderation can't be discussed in-thread.

I've been a regular of many forums, but this is the only one where any of my posts have been deleted (posts that didn't break any forum rules! PM me for details if you'd like to know). I've never seen as many mod warnings as on this site. I've also never seen as much bickering either.

It didn't used to be that way. Community management around here used to be a lot better, but I'm talking years ago at this stage.

+1 to that.

Boards could come back from the brink, but it would require imagination and balls, two faculties apparently lacking at the moment. Hell, if they had done precisely nothing to the site from say 2010 I'd bet the farm the numbers would be higher today. The moderation went full retard since then too. That After Hours crackdown on sexism was a cringefest. Perfect example of heavy handed nonsense. Was there an issue at times? Yes. Was it that bad? No, not outside the usual hysterics whinging the sky was falling. Was that the way to handle whatever issue did exist? Christ no.

um7y1h83ge06nx

I generally tend to avoid After Hours, the majority of threads I feel just descend into a farce.

The trend for boards is not good going by Alexa - link

Reddit is trending up, proves there is still demand for discussion forums - link

Elliott S

lawlolawl wrote: »

I don't watch TV much at all. Forums and the like are my entertainment.

Same as that. Some people spend hours and hours sitting slack-jawed in front of soap operas and reality TV and nobody thinks anything of it. I'd much rather be feeding my brain on an informative forum.

Wibbs

Liam Unimportant Jazz wrote: »

The trend for boards is not good going by Alexa - link

Reddit is trending up, proves there is still demand for discussion forums - link

Yep and that saddens and angers me too TBH. The downward trend for Boards.ie lays squarely at the feet of management. It's not about it being hard to navigate(reddit is vastly more sprawling and hard to read at first) or any of the corporate middle management bullshit we have heard over the last two years. I'm angry because a lot of people over a lot of years have put a lot of effort and real involvement into this once community and they fucked them and it. *slow handclap*

The Moldy Gowl

Would you even call reddit a discussion site? It's not like boards.
First 10 links on all, 7 are photos, 1 is something about trump, 1 is about ford losing a car, and 1 is about the Germany attack.

It's more a content dump with people talking about the content. I prefer that. Way easier to browse.

Little CuChulainn

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

Would you even call reddit a discussion site? It's not like boards.
First 10 links on all, 7 are photos, 1 is something about trump, 1 is about ford losing a car, and 1 is about the Germany attack.

It's more a content dump with people talking about the content. I prefer that. Way easier to browse.

When u customise your front page it becomes a lot more relevant.

anothernight

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

Would you even call reddit a discussion site? It's not like boards.
First 10 links on all, 7 are photos, 1 is something about trump, 1 is about ford losing a car, and 1 is about the Germany attack.

This really illustrates Reddit's main weakness: it has a seemingly steep learning curve. In reality it's an easy to use website, but at first glance it looks exactly like how you described it.

Not all subreddits are content dumps. Some of them revolve around self posts just like a forum (e.g., r/fitness, r/bookclub), but someone who doesn't bother to look into it would never know because of the content cluster**** that Reddit resembles without customising the front page.

The Moldy Gowl

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

When u customise your front page it becomes a lot more relevant.

Oh yeah. Been on reddit for a few years. Have all the extensions and blocked out all the American politics. I know the urban legends and the in jokes of the place.

I use boards at work and reddit at home.
Askreddit is great when you are taking the morning poo

The Moldy Gowl

anothernight wrote: »

This really illustrates Reddit's main weakness: it has a seemingly steep learning curve. In reality it's an easy to use website, but at first glance it looks exactly like how you described it.

Not all subreddits are content dumps. Some of them revolve around self posts just like a forum (e.g., r/fitness, r/bookclub), but someone who doesn't bother to look into it would never know because of the content cluster**** that Reddit resembles without customising the front page.

Oh yeah. But it's far more rewarding for wasting time especially binging on a sub reddit by sorting it's posts by top of all time.
But the self posts rarely will make it to the top. It is a 'discussion' forum but it's a bigger content dump of funny pictures or whatever else.


But yeah. At first glance you have no idea what's going on. Takes a bit of effort to get into

Dr Crayfish

I have tried to look at reddit, but the interface is awful, or maybe I just need to get used to it. Just seems to be a stream of endless posts with no order.

The Moldy Gowl

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

I have tried to look at reddit, but the interface is awful, or maybe I just need to get used to it. Just seems to be a stream of endless posts with no order.

The comments or the actual posts?


The default setting for the posts is 'hot' so people have voted on them and the top ones are usually a gif or a picture or something big happening around the world. This gets updated every few hours.

The order of the comments was explained on the last page.

Outlaw Pete

Earthhorse wrote: »

On boards priority is given to who responded first.

And so it should be as that mirrors discussions irl. First to speak, first to be heard.

Even if the first response is crap or the first ten responses all say the same thing. So here you are putting your trust in blind luck that those who respond first are worth listening to.

That's not true. Nobody here is saying that they only read the "first ten responses" on threads like you had said that you only read the well liked posts on reddit.

Dr Crayfish

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

The comments or the actual posts?


The default setting for the posts is 'hot' so people have voted on them and the top ones are usually a gif or a picture or something big happening around the world. This gets updated every few hours.

The order of the comments was explained on the last page.

I think the comments is confusing. There's a funny animals gif area that I like to frequent sometimes though, cats doing ridiculous stuff.

intheclouds

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

That's not true. Nobody here is saying that they only read the "first ten responses" on threads like you had said that you only read the well liked posts on reddit.

I often give up on threads here if the first few responses are rubbish.

Outlaw Pete

intheclouds wrote: »

I often give up on threads here if the first few responses are rubbish.

Okay, well let me rephrase that then:

The vast majority of users on Boards don't just trust that the "first ten responses" of a thread will be reflective of the whole thread and so stop reading if they are not to their liking. Many a classic thread on Boards has started off poorly.

intheclouds

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Okay, well let me rephrase that then:

The vast majority of users on Boards don't just trust that the "first ten responses" of a thread will be reflective of the whole thread and so stop reading if they are not to their liking. Many a classic thread on Boards has started off poorly.

Yeah, so I have occasionally skipped on a few pages to see if its picked up.

Thats me manually doing what Reddit presents you with naturally. Saves you reading the crappy stuff.

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

It was better and had far more of a community feel to it. Contrary to popular it was less moderated too. After Hours was more freewheeling with less rulez stuff going on*. Moderation on Boards was pretty good as who the hell wants a youtube style free for all, but it became too much of a good thing and nobody put on the brakes. There were also far fewer hand wringers screaming "phobic!!" and "isms" about the place. Far fewer rabid right wingers too mind you. Again more a reflection of wider society polarising more and more.

I'm only active on boards the last 12 months ish so I don't have the same insight as yourself Wibbs. The site has it's problems absolutely. It is moderated heavily and I think that's a shame. There is a melting pot of views and perspectives around here that should be allowed to be voiced, regardless of how distasteful they may seem. But. I think most of the mods are just towing the line a lot of the time. They do their best to keep with the ethos of the site which is predominantly left wing.

The gearbest carryon was absolutely dreadful. What a mess. There were two Community Managers but only one was an actual community manager in my opinion. Now I get the idea of job division with one person responsible for A and another for B. With the amount of criticism and vitriol Dav faced I think his role should have been shared.
No where in *that* feedback thread did Niamh appear.

Going forward I think the new community manager should have a stronger presence throughout the site. I think Niamh should engage more in that side of things rather than only dealing with the corporate stuff. Unfortunately I don't have the solution for bringing back the old days you guys remember but I think if the moderation was to loosen in certain parts and if the community managers engage more with the users and at least attempted to steel the forum in an unbiased and open manner then that would be a start.

So I can see the problems but for all of them I do love the place.

Earthhorse

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

And so it should be as that mirrors discussions irl. First to speak, first to be heard.

Why should online discussion mirror real life discussion? Why would that inherently be a good thing?

That's not true. Nobody here is saying that they only read the "first ten responses" on threads like you had said that you only read the well liked posts on reddit.

They don't have to say it here, it's evident from the thanks distribution and drop off in variety of posters in the latter stages of threads, as well as what people have said over the years, that more attention is paid to the early pages of threads by the vast majority of posters.

I never said I only read the well liked posts on reddit, don't make crap up to suit your argument.

Skullface McGubbin

I like to browse reddit & voat from time to time but what stops me from posting there is their layouts. The boards layout is far more comfy & familiar.

Sugar Free

Skullface McGubbin wrote: »

I like to browse reddit & voat from time to time but what stops me from posting there is their layouts. The boards layout is far more comfy & familiar.

Part of me thought that other site would have been added to the swear filter by now. Seems like there's a covert war going between it and boards but I don't see it ever getting a fraction of the traffic boards has, even now.

intheclouds

Sugar Free wrote: »

Part of me thought that other site would have been added to the swear filter by now. Seems like there's a covert war going between it and boards but I don't see it ever getting a fraction of the traffic boards has, even now.

It was on the swear filter - it was even stripped out of pm's!

*******

Ah - you have to type the full .co as well.

The Moldy Gowl

The Mods and admins have been alerted now to the use of that word.

That site is rubbish. Only good thing is the bit of gossip the mod on the inside has. It's a wasteland and they even condemned all the bad stuff that happened.

um7y1h83ge06nx

What site are you talking about? Voat?

dr.bollocko

Sugar Free wrote: »

Part of me thought that other site would have been added to the swear filter by now. Seems like there's a covert war going between it and boards but I don't see it ever getting a fraction of the traffic boards has, even now.

Based on current releases if boards attempted to block out voat on the swear filter they'd end up crashing the site for 3 days and emailing all our passwords to the voat owners so it's probably for the best really.

Its dead Jim

Sugar Free wrote: »

Part of me thought that other site would have been added to the swear filter by now. Seems like there's a covert war going between it and boards but I don't see it ever getting a fraction of the traffic boards has, even now.

It will never be a competitor, the only benefit it has is that you can discuss if ****, (((jews))), or ******s are the worst.

Its a website for free speech, as long as you agree with them because if you dont they are going to harass and doxx you.

The Moldy Gowl

Liam Unimportant Jazz wrote: »

What site are you talking about? Voat?

Triggered

LuckyLloyd

Deleted User wrote: »

...There were two Community Managers but only one was an actual community manager in my opinion. Now I get the idea of job division with one person responsible for A and another for B. With the amount of criticism and vitriol Dav faced I think his role should have been shared.
No where in *that* feedback thread did Niamh appear.

Going forward I think the new community manager should have a stronger presence throughout the site. I think Niamh should engage more in that side of things rather than only dealing with the corporate stuff...

What did I miss? Has Dav left? Sure it's not the place to discuss blah, blah but seems I missed something important!

Son Of A Vidic

I've checked out reddit in the past, but quickly had to bail out after the layout made my eyes bleed.

sheroman01

Zascar wrote: »

I spend 90% of the time on Reddit. It's so much better for reading interesting discussions, opinions, comments - since the bad stuff gets downvoted. Around here - AH especially - most of the posts are rubbish and add nothing to the conversation. It's an endless stream of crap jokes, bad puns and you are ma. Drives me buts how good threads are started only to be derailed soon after by people talking rubbish like 12 year olds

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