Should the name of the forum be changed to "Football"...

major bill

smilerf wrote: »

I realise there lots of different nationalitys here but I as an Irishman never heard anyone call soccer "football"

Really??? all over Dublin in the local pubs you''ll hear it known as Football

Not really a huge deal either way.

Irish call it soccer and English and West Brits call it football.






*tis a joke. I find myself calling it either

DARK-KNIGHT

This is definitely a first world problem...


Soccer or football...

Hmm

Lovely Bloke

I really, really cringe at the way gah fans say the word "footballer"

It's like "footbler".

Weird.

DARK-KNIGHT

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

I really, really cringe at the way gah fans say the word "footballer"

It's like "footbler".

Weird.

Wtf???

DARK-KNIGHT

Is this not better suited to after hours?? Lol

Baldy Conscience

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

I really, really cringe at the way gah fans say the word "footballer"

It's like "footbler".

Weird.

You need sound for this post I think!

Flint Fredstone

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

I really, really cringe at the way gah fans say the word "footballer"

It's like "footbler".

Weird.

It's more like fuppler.
Colm O'Rourke is the worst offender.

Lovely Bloke

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

It's more like fuppler.
Colm O'Rourke is the worst offender.

yes, YES!

Although I don't often watch gah, when I'm in me folks house it does be on and yeah, that muldoon is the main culprit.

Harry Palmr

Country folk eh?

mansize

Gah is gash atm, the Football is unwatchable
The hurling is as competitive as women's tennis

cj maxx

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

There's only 2 of those that would be called football in this country and the other forum is called GAA already. I would understand if that one got the preference but if it's not then this one should be called football.

I agree to an extent but you just backed up my point . Why should the GAA forum be called GAA . GAA isnt even a game. Its an organisation that oversees several different sports. Football , hurling , handball , rounders and maybe more.
By that reckoning the soccer forum should be called fifa or EPL forum , or association football (soccer) to give it its proper name

Lovely Bloke

Rounders? How does a child's road game need a governing body?



OR are they claiming it as an "Irish" Sport? It's bleedin cricket with a tennis racket ffs.

~Rebel~

Christ, why are some people doing so much cringing?! People say different things, in different accents - let's not be so precious about such pointless differences. The world would be a much more boring place without them.

If you find yourself cringing at something like this, ask yourself whether it's really an issue with the person speaking, or just some arbitrarily ingrained "truth", that should really just be let go of.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Rounders? How does a child's road game need a governing body?



OR are they claiming it as an "Irish" Sport? It's bleedin cricket with a tennis racket ffs.

It's not actually.

They use a baseball bat and a sliothar.

It's pretty much the sport that baseball is derived from and it's actually a pity it isn't promoted more as it looks like a good sport to play.

Captain Havoc

We only have one type of football in Kilkenny.

chopperbyrne

Cricket and baseball don't have the one handed catch gets the whole team out rule though.

764dak

Second Toughest in_the Freshers wrote: »

shur the other lads hardly use their feet at all, with all the hopping and hand passing...

http://www.spiegel.de/international/naming-the-beautiful-game-it-s-called-soccer-a-420024.html
"Football was an essentially popular game, writes Murray, and the name originally referred to any ball game played on foot rather than on horseback. "

https://www.languageoffootball.com/2014/11/27/terminology-soccer/
"the aristocratic classes preferred to play their sports on horseback, while the lowly peasants played on foot, hence football a game played on foot."

http://keepingscore.blogs.time.com/2012/04/02/no-england-did-not-invent-football-soccer-as-we-know-it/
"not because the ball is played with the feet, but because the game is played on foot rather than horseback."

Kirby

Speaks for itself to be honest. Now, there is a counter gif made up of a bunch of other, mostly small or not very good countries which call it soccer which includes us....but the point stands.

When nearly the entire world calls it one thing, if you call it something else you are being contrary. Arguments about calling it soccer based on Association Soccer are missing the point. The world calls it football. Even if its supposed to be called soccer.....hardly anyone does outside the states. The only people here who refer to it as soccer are GAA heads. If you go to a LOI game or even down your local park to watch an underage game......you wont hear the word "soccer" mentioned once.

764dak

Kirby wrote: »

Speaks for itself to be honest. Now, there is a counter gif made up of a bunch of other, mostly small or not very good countries which call it soccer which includes us....but the point stands.

When nearly the entire world calls it one thing, if you call it something else you are being contrary. Arguments about calling it soccer based on Association Soccer are missing the point. The world calls it football. Even if its supposed to be called soccer.....hardly anyone does outside the states. The only people here who refer to it as soccer are GAA heads. If you go to a LOI game or even down your local park to watch an underage game......you wont hear the word "soccer" mentioned once.

Calcio is used in Italy. It's funny how most of those countries are non-Germanic and yet they're using a respelling of a Germanic word. To them "football" would be a lot more arbitrary than soccer is to English speakers.

Kirby

Yes but the people who play and watch the sport call it football. Even the governing bodies dont have soccer anywhere in their title.

UEFA is the Union of European Football Associations.
FIFA is Fédération Internationale de Football Association. The English FA. The list goes on.

Even our guys dont call it the Soccer Association.....The irish FA up north and FA of Ireland here. they call it by its used name. Football.

White Horse

The sport is football. The name "soccer" is the preserve of Americana and people in Ireland who don't like the sport.

Fr Tod Umptious

Kirby wrote: »

Speaks for itself to be honest. Now, there is a counter gif made up of a bunch of other, mostly small or not very good countries which call it soccer which includes us....but the point stands.

When nearly the entire world calls it one thing, if you call it something else you are being contrary. Arguments about calling it soccer based on Association Soccer are missing the point. The world calls it football. Even if its supposed to be called soccer.....hardly anyone does outside the states. The only people here who refer to it as soccer are GAA heads. If you go to a LOI game or even down your local park to watch an underage game......you wont hear the word "soccer" mentioned once.

So what

Who cares what people call it.

In Australia the people in New South Wales and Queensland call rugby league football.
In South Australia and Victoria they call AFL football.

I've heard rugby people in this country refer to rugby union as football, "so and so is a good football player".

So what, why do people cringe at the word soccer.

Are they afraid that if they use it too much the Americans will take over and we will have time outs etc ?

I've never heard an American refer to " American" football as American football ball or "gridiron", its always football.

Fr Tod Umptious

White Horse wrote: »

The sport is football. The name "soccer" is the preserve of Americana and people in Ireland who don't like the sport.

I like soccer, when I say football I mean GAA football.

I'm Irish and I like soccer.

Saipanne

Soccer is not an American term. It started in England, where at the time there was a trend to shorten terms, hence Association Football became SOCcer.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

White Horse wrote: »

The sport is football. The name "soccer" is the preserve of Americana and people in Ireland who don't like the sport.

I like the sport. I still often call it soccer.

Korat

White Horse wrote: »

The sport is football. The name "soccer" is the preserve of Americana and people in Ireland who don't like the sport.

In Ireland this forum is about Soccer.

Call it what you like if you want to make a point but I'll only call it football with English people or when it's already been defined in a conversation.

Football can be AFL, NFL, RU and RL also depending who I'm talking to and where. There's limited humour to be had from arguing which sport should be called football and you'll look like an idiot pretty quickly.

Billy86

White Horse wrote: »

The sport is football. The name "soccer" is the preserve of Americana and people in Ireland who don't like the sport.

You eat the term that originated in 1860s England? http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/06/the-origin-of-the-word-soccer/

I prefer 'football' but the chip some have on their shoulder over the word 'soccer' is mystifying, especially as it is what the sport was originally referred to.

Donnielighto

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A thread is "attention seeking"?

Strange. That may be your reason for threads, but I think it would be odd to seek attention on an anonymous forum.

Either way, is that your 3rd or 4th post? Got your attention anyway...

Just saw this now, I meant the thread was attention seeking on your parrt. You're either being intentionally obtuse or I was giving you more credit than I should have, and I wasn't giving much.

Donnielighto

Donnielighto wrote: »

Just saw this now, I meant the thread was attention seeking on your parrt. You're either being intentionally obtuse or I was giving you more credit than I should have, and I wasn't giving much.

Yet another post about me?

You could set up a thread about me and leave this for those who actually accept that the name of the sport is a valid topic. Granted, not profound, but again, we are on a football...or soccer...forum.

Donnielighto

Deleted User wrote: »

Yet another post about me?

You could set up a thread about me and leave this for those who actually accept that the name of the sport is a valid topic. Granted, not profound, but again, we are on a football...or soccer...forum.

You dont want a reply, dont quote me, simple. Either that or put me on ignore.

salmocab

I suspect that anyone who has strong feelings on this either way is likely the sort of person who doesn't really like another form of football and thinks theirs is superior.

Among my group of friends who would mostly be lads who used to play rugby and quite a few played GAA (hurling and football) we would use the term football quite loosely possibly depending on the time of year. Soccer would be referred to as both soccer and football, Gaelic football as both Gah and football and often call rugby both Rugby and footy.

It generally has to do with what we are talking about or if big games clash in different codes.

~Rebel~

Kirby wrote: »

Speaks for itself to be honest. Now, there is a counter gif made up of a bunch of other, mostly small or not very good countries which call it soccer which includes us....but the point stands.

When nearly the entire world calls it one thing, if you call it something else you are being contrary. Arguments about calling it soccer based on Association Soccer are missing the point. The world calls it football. Even if its supposed to be called soccer.....hardly anyone does outside the states. The only people here who refer to it as soccer are GAA heads. If you go to a LOI game or even down your local park to watch an underage game......you wont hear the word "soccer" mentioned once.

This football > soccer stuff is just dickish constructed-elitism.

You say "only GAA heads", but the All Ireland Football final was the most watched event on Irish television last year.

Honestly, I think this is a silly argument regardless, as if there's something dirty or fake about saying soccer. But even in logical terms - we have a national sport that, whether you like it or not, is very popular, and is also called Football. it only makes sense to use Soccer at times to differentiate - especially on a widely used Forum which caters to both sports.

Feel free to keep calling it football yourself, as I will, but there's no need to be actively annoyed by people saying something else. As you said, maybe it is contrary to the norm, but so what? There's nought wrong with a bit of contrariness. We'd all be in a little backslapping bubble without it.

Really, people need to start getting over these cultural differences as if there's something inherently 'wrong' with another way or saying or doing things. The last thing we need these days is another stupid, arbitrary reason to divide people into "us" and "them".

Shanotheslayer

I'll call it what I grew up calling it and that's football.

I never went to ''Soccer'' Training. I went to Football training etc

People can go back and claim it was called X Y Z years ago but I'll always call it what I was thought

corny

Should be football because that's what's in general use. Not a big deal of course.

Corben Dallas

They should change the Forum Name to Football. Nobody but nobody will ever use the line "Did u watch the Soccer Euros Final? " :eek:

Its Football...Footie... Fussball etc only Americans ( becuase they want to protect 'American Football /NFL' from a " foreign" game) and Gah heads (becuase they want to protect 'Gaelic Football' from THE "foreign" game).

Same thinking that the coaches refuse to let kids train in any Premier League" kit ...its has to be O'Neills or Gaa County produced gear ...or no training given. Kid was sent home cause he was a Barca shirt. :mad:

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Rugby, Hurling, Gaelic Football etc.
Football is Football, Fifa, Uefa, played at the World Cup & Euros, only sport played in South America.
Perfected by the likes of Messi, Ronaldo, Cryff, Zidane, Pele Etc.

Its time to change the Forum to FOOTBALL.
Thank you.

Omackeral

smilerf wrote: »

I realise there lots of different nationalitys here but I as an Irishman never heard anyone call soccer "football"

And as an Irishman let me list the following for you;

Football Association of Ireland
Republic of Ireland National Football Team

Bohemian Football Club
Bray Wanderers Association Football Club
Cork City Football Club
Derry City Football Club
Dundalk Football Club
Finn Harps Football Club
Galway United Football Club
Longford Town Football Club
Shamrock Rovers Football Club
Sligo Rovers Football Club
St. Patrick's Athletic Football Club
Wexford Youths Football Club

Athlone Town Football Club
Cabinteely Football Club
Cobh Ramblers Football Club
Drogheda United Football Club
Limerick Football Club
Shelbourne Football Club
UCD Association Football Club
Waterford United Football Club

TheNap

Corben Dallas wrote: »

They should change the Forum Name to Football. Nobody but nobody will ever use the line "Did u watch the Soccer Euros Final? " :eek:

Its Football...Footie... Fussball etc only Americans ( becuase they want to protect 'American Football /NFL' from a " foreign" game) and Gah heads (becuase they want to protect 'Gaelic Football' from THE "foreign" game).

Same thinking that the coaches refuse to let kids train in any Premier League" kit ...its has to be O'Neills or Gaa County produced gear ...or no training given. Kid was sent home cause he was a Barca shirt. :mad:

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Rugby, Hurling, Gaelic Football etc.
Football is Football, Fifa, Uefa, played at the World Cup & Euros, only sport played in South America.
Perfected by the likes of Messi, Ronaldo, Cryff, Zidane, Pele Etc.

Its time to change the Forum to FOOTBALL.
Thank you.

I've played GAA since i was 6 never came across anything like this . In fact we sometimes play soccer after trainings before a big game to unwind . I think you are still stuck in the 80/90s

TheNap

salmocab wrote: »

I suspect that anyone who has strong feelings on this either way is likely the sort of person who doesn't really like another form of football and thinks theirs is superior.

Among my group of friends who would mostly be lads who used to play rugby and quite a few played GAA (hurling and football) we would use the term football quite loosely possibly depending on the time of year. Soccer would be referred to as both soccer and football, Gaelic football as both Gah and football and often call rugby both Rugby and footy.

It generally has to do with what we are talking about or if big games clash in different codes.

Nail on the head there .

Lovely Bloke

Omackeral wrote: »

UCD Association Football Club

I knew it! :pac:

Billy86

Corben Dallas wrote: »

They should change the Forum Name to Football. Nobody but nobody will ever use the line "Did u watch the Soccer Euros Final? " :eek:

Its Football...Footie... Fussball etc only Americans ( becuase they want to protect 'American Football /NFL' from a " foreign" game) and Gah heads (becuase they want to protect 'Gaelic Football' from THE "foreign" game).

You forgot the Aussies. And the Kiwis. And South Africans. Also the Canadians. Japanese, too. Also Korea, and large chunks of Oceania on top of that - that's probably around 700mn, or 10% of the world's population.

Then you've got places like Italy, where I believe 'calcio' literally translates to 'heel', and the term seems to predate 'football' or 'soccer' by hundreds of years - really interesting 'taking a dump' read here: https://www.languageoffootball.com/2015/01/21/terminology-calcio/

In Slovenia/Croatia/Bosnia they call it nogomet, and in parts of Southeast Asia, anything from bola sepak ('kick ball'), Ball-pwe (couldn't get the translation) or bong da (which together google translate calls 'soccer', but separately translates as 'skin ball' :eek: ).

I'm not trying to sound like a dick by the way, I just things like that really interesting.

Here's a map of what they call in in different places... unfamiliar ones in shades of red/pink (like jalkapallo in Finland) appear to all literally translate to 'football'.

Max Powers

Of course, football, change it to its proper name

Billy86

Max Powers wrote: »

Of course, football, change it to its proper name

On that basis, we should also change rugby to just 'football' as it's proper name too. Then we can have two sports both called football!

keane2097

A lot of Dubs who've never left the Pale in this thread by the looks of things.

artanevilla

Can we change it to Calcio please?

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

TheNap wrote: »

I've played GAA since i was 6 never came across anything like this . In fact we sometimes play soccer after trainings before a big game to unwind . I think you are still stuck in the 80/90s

I once had the same two coaches for both my soccer and gaelic teams. Both also loved watching. But if you believe what you read on boards, all GAA coaches are bitter individuals who want to destroy foreign games.

SantryRed

keane2097 wrote: »

A lot of Dubs who've never left the Pale in this thread by the looks of things.

What does this even mean?

Billy86

SantryRed wrote: »

What does this even mean?

It means someone hasn't been keeping track of who the current All Ireland champions, and holders of 3 of the last 5, are.

~Rebel~

SantryRed wrote: »

What does this even mean?

I'm guessing just that what was taken as the norm in Dublin (or indeed, cities in general) may not have been the case in more rural areas. (though obviously there's a bit of a barb to it too)

To be honest, I grew up in a rural Cork village calling it soccer (as did everyone around me) until I was probably 12 or so, and went to secondary school in the city. From then onwards it mostly switched over to being called football.

imo for clarification purposes alone, on this forum calling it soccer makes much more sense. Everyone knows at a glance exactly what this overall forum (tickets & travel, coaching, general chat) relates to.

salmocab

Corben Dallas wrote: »

They should change the Forum Name to Football. Nobody but nobody will ever use the line "Did u watch the Soccer Euros Final? " :eek:

Its Football...Footie... Fussball etc only Americans ( becuase they want to protect 'American Football /NFL' from a " foreign" game) and Gah heads (becuase they want to protect 'Gaelic Football' from THE "foreign" game).

Same thinking that the coaches refuse to let kids train in any Premier League" kit ...its has to be O'Neills or Gaa County produced gear ...or no training given. Kid was sent home cause he was a Barca shirt. :mad:

---

Rugby, Hurling, Gaelic Football etc.
Football is Football, Fifa, Uefa, played at the World Cup & Euros, only sport played in South America.
Perfected by the likes of Messi, Ronaldo, Cryff, Zidane, Pele Etc.

Its time to change the Forum to FOOTBALL.
Thank you.

Nobody calls it the football euros final either
Americans aren't calling it soccer to protect anything they do it for clarity because to them football is american football.
Same with a lot of GAA supporters
Far from the only sport played in South America.
Soccer makes this clear on the forum and makes sense here.