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Solo (young Han Solo film) *spoilers from post 1493*
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Just back. It was good. Went from being a good fun film toa fun film with heart
Saw it in IMAX 3D. It benefits from the 3D but you can live without it.
It's a scoundrel story story and it is done well for that. Some of the feel of the scoundrels from the animated shows came across I think.
There are nods to many things likeDarth Maul still being alive in the animated Star Wars The Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels. They are trying to make the dice from Last Jedi a thing. It kinda felt forced.
It looks like it sets upfor at least one or two more films, one definitely on tatooine with Jaba and another to do with the rebels and crimson dawn.0 -
Just back. It was good. Went from being a good fun film toa fun film with heart
Saw it in IMAX 3D. It benefits from the 3D but you can live without it.
It's a scoundrel story story and it is done well for that. Some of the feel of the scoundrels from the animated shows came across I think.
There are nods to many things likeDarth Maul still being alive in the animated Star Wars The Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels. They are trying to make the dice from Last Jedi a thing. It kinda felt forced.
It looks like it sets upfor at least one or two more films, one definitely on tatooine with Jaba and another to do with the rebels and crimson dawn.
I agree, it was enjoyable.Darth Maul was a surprise and while it feels like it’s setuo for at least one more am I not wrong in saying solo doesn’t believe in “hokey religion” or something to that effect? How could he meet a Sith Lord and not believe in it?
But seriously anything that bringsMaul back to the big screen has to be good.. I said to my friend “is thatDarth Maul? He obviously looks different and I forgot that he could easily haverobotic lower bodycause I was trying to do the maths as to Han and Luke’s age or when the movie was set.
Also, I felt it was very different to the other movies. There wasn’theart pounding pacereally at any stage and the stakes weresmall in comparison to any of the other Star Wars movies.
Just some other nods wereLandos suit in ROTJ and Bossk was mentioned earlier in the movie0 -
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Probably, but at the risk of fluffing his ego, Tony is a good contributor who often makes decent contributions to the Star Wars threads, even if I don't necessarily agree with hiim (eg, Last Jedi). Plus after outing himself as a huge nerd via namechecking the Trandoshians, I'm doubly interested to hear his thoughts
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Probably, but at the risk of fluffing his ego, Tony is a good contributor who often makes decent contributions to the Star Wars threads, even if I don't necessarily agree with hiim (eg, Last Jedi). Plus after outing himself as a huge nerd via namechecking the Trandoshians, I'm doubly interested to hear his thoughts
Oooh, ego fluffed!
Em...I didn't really want to spoil anything for anyone, so it was just better to tag everything. Maybe that was wrong, but I was in a rush.
Anyway, it's a relatively entertaining 5/10. It's more toward the good side of average, overall. But, it has some serious drawbacks that prevent it from getting a higher score.
Glover and Chewie are the best things about it really.
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Probably, but at the risk of fluffing his ego, Tony is a good contributor who often makes decent contributions to the Star Wars threads, even if I don't necessarily agree with hiim (eg, Last Jedi). Plus after outing himself as a huge nerd via namechecking the Trandoshians, I'm doubly interested to hear his thoughts
Siri what does pixelburp imagine when he thinks of Tony E.
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In ANH they were talking to each other as if they had been doing jobs for years:
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*WARNING* I think I have covered up the spoilers, but if not, a mod can cover them up for me if I missed any.
Ok, almost 24 hours have passed since seeing Solo: A Star Wars Story, and here are my thoughts.
To begin: I disagreed, profoundly, with the reasons for this film. I honestly felt it was a cheap, safe, cash-grab by Disney, devoid of creativity, inventiveness and ambition. When I saw who was cast as Han Solo, again, I reiterated my position arguing that Alden lacks the charisma, physical features, and stature to come close to Harrison Ford (he is also pretty damn short in height by comparison, to begin with!). Finally, I felt the film would spend most of its time doing fan service, references to 'Who shot first?', Boba Fett appearance, Jabba too, and many other issues to substantiate the 'why' Han Solo does what he does. Most importantly, the mystery surrounding his character adds to his persona, we don't need to know who he is or what makes him tick because Episode IV, V, VI, and to some extent, VII, doing a perfectly fine job with character building as it is. As such, we all get Han and know what it is that makes us love the character already.
Having said all of that, I honestly do feel Solo: A Star Wars Story is one of the better, if not, best Star Wars film to be released since Disney's acquisition of LucasFilm and the IP. It is important to note that I don't consider it to be a flawless film, nor do I consider it critically important, but this has more to do with how I view the franchise since Disney took over than the quality of Solo itself.
1 - The film takes us to new places far removed from the Skywalker storyline. We see Corellia for the first time! From Corellia to Kessel to Savareen and others, we finally get to experience parts of the galaxy that feel like the Outer Rim. Planets run by cartels, gangs, and outlaws vying for control with an Empire, presumably, at its peak. Complete domination of these systems is currently the objective of the Empire and while others maybe scrambling for a semblance of freedom from the Empire, various groups are too busy playing their own war, playing both sides, and pursuing wealth. This was alluded to in The Last Jedi, but it did not go far enough. We see planets and species enslaved, exploited for their resources and those ruthless enough to dispense with 'workers' on a whim because labour is cheap and readily available. Disparate and varied worlds is always to be expected in a Star Wars film, but we saw the Empire struggle on some and have absolutely no presence on others - in addition to the physical differences of the planets themselves; snow, sand, mud/rain, urban junkyards, and mines.
2 - Cultural differences. This film, in my opinion, really expanded on the 'Extended Universe'. We saw different alien creatures, droids, languages, people, customs, and Teras Kasi(!). It was great to see the palette growing rather than simply using what has come before in a different way. In short, much of what I saw on screen felt relatively fresh, new, different, helping to achieve a sense of belief that not only is the universe massive, but that there are many stories being told elsewhere in interesting places other than what we have seen before. In short, I am intrigued to learn more about these planets, aliens, customs, than I am for another trip to Tatooine.
3 - Alden was fine. Nothing special, but certainly not awful or terrible. He is a capable actor and if you try to imagine he is someone else (some random kid who finds himself caught up in a heist as a cheap way to make some money) it enhances the film. It is as I thought: this is a good heist film wrapped, needlessly, in leaning on a familiar character to draw the crowd. This isn't Alden's fault - he was never going to match Harrison Ford, but when he tried he was close enough. Mannerisms, certain looks, how he stood, for example, gave a brief flash of the Han we are familiar with, but his voice is wrong and his stature - he is too short. If we imagine this film is about a lad called 'Jan' and his big hairy Wookie friend, this has the makings of a new story, a new character, and new perspective to explore the Star Wars universe, and Alden is capable in doing this. While under the 'Solo' moniker, it struggles to truly grab the fans. Then again, as Kathleen Kennedy pointed out: "Kids today can't connect with characters like Luke Skywalker" - the plan is to phase out the old guard and replace them with new, young actors who will stick around for a while and emulate great characters from the past. This, once again, stokes the fires of debate around whether or not Disney is rebooting Star Wars.
4 - The story is a moderately strong point in this film. It was always going to be about Han and Chewie's initial meet, the Falcon, and the incidents/experiences Han had which moulded him into the character we see later. What I liked about it (on a surface level) though was the twists, the snappy betrayals, and the sense of desperation exuded from each character, it was cutthroat and it didn't matter who ruled the galaxy when you have credits and a ship. Much of this film felt far removed the Rebellion/Empire storyline and that was refreshing.
5 -Han speaking Wookie (Shyriiwook for the real nerds) was wrong. This only detracts from the consistency of his character. Han is cheeky, a chancer, and would take any opportunity to make a sly comment or dig at someone he doesn't like. There are many situations he and Chewie find themselves in during the Originals where he could have said something to Chewie in Shyriiwook and he would have relished the opportunity, but he doesn't. It is always English. I can understand this is an origins film and the writers needed to explain why Han can understand Chewie, but this route was incorrect, imo.
6 - The music was great and the use of the music from Empire was wonderful to hear again, particularly during that sequence. Possibly, the best use of the music in the recent films to date.
7 - Lando was excellent. His voice, mannerisms, poise, facial expressions, attitude was on point and it really did feel like a young Billy Dee Williams at times. I would hope to see he and Lando working together again in the rumoured Solo sequels to come, although I am not sure how that would align with how their reuniting in Empire would work - it feels as if the last time Lando saw Han was the card game where he won the Falcon: "You have a lotta nerve coming back here after the stunt you pulled",with the 'stunt' I imagine, being lifting the card from Lando's sleeve.
8 - Tobias Beckett was an interesting character for much of the reasons I have mentioned already - he personified a tired Outer Rim gangster looking to get his last big score so he can finally retire. World-weary and ruthless, he felt like a different type of anti-hero who was just trying to make it in a galaxy where everyone is out for themselves. I would have liked to have seen more of Woody's exploits prior to Solo.
9 - I enjoyed the character of Dryden Voss, manipulative, cunning, unpredictable and it left you anxious as to what he might say or do. Not exactly pantomime, but at the same time, insidious enough to keep you interested. Again, a fresh take on a typical Star Wars villain and for that reason alone, I can appreciate the effort. I found him to be more interesting than Krennic, for example, who reminded me of some opportunistic bad guy, where as Dryden felt more 'evil'.
10 - Qi'ra, played by Emilia Clarke is fine. Nothing particularly great or terrible about her.I don't think she is given the screen time to develop and yet, there was always a hint that maybe she is playing everyone as well. That hint, however, wasn't clear enough for when she does jump ship and, as such, it felt a bit more like a damp squib than a clever strategy executed by her.
As for the other supporting characters like Thandie Newton's and Jon Favreau's (Four armed pilot), I can't really say much about them. It felt as if there was more of a Kelly's Heroes or Ocean's Eleven vibe coming from them at certain points, but this was curtailed by other moments in the film. Perhaps this was Lord and Miller's original vision and Howard applied some serious adjustments to deviate from this plan, who knows? But the point still stands, I would have liked to have seen Beckett's team as a sort of Ocean's Eleven setup where Han comes in as the rookie. Wishful thinking, on my part.
The introduction ofMaul immediately sparked 'Obi Wan film confirmed' in my mind. It is an interesting twist to decide Maul survived and is a serious boss of Crimson Dawn. Is he still a Sith? What about the rule of two? Has he cut himself off from the force, like Luke in TLJ, to avoid the Emperor's gaze and Vader's senses? Who knows, but I do know that this is a big story from the Star Wars Rebels series and that Obi Wan fights him again, hence my belief in the development of an Obi Wan film. As for Maul's role in Solo sequels, lets see where that goes for now.
We're all here for the great spectacle and action sequences though, and apart from a relatively quiet mid-section, I felt the film zipped along nicely. I certainly wasn't bored and I definitely wanted more on the planet where we see Han fighting as an Imperial. That was a proper, gritty battle sequence and I would like to see more of that in a Star Wars setting. It was great seeing the Falcon flying (particularly when it actually became the Falcon
), but space combat, for the most part, was sacrificed for pretty solid battles with blasters, and a welcome surprise of Teras Kasi. For a film which, supposedly, experienced up to 70% of re-shoots it isn't discernible (to me, anyway) which parts were Lord and Miller's. Howard did a fine job in maintaining the structure and narrative throughout without much of a tonal change to be detected (apart from the Ocean's Eleven vibe I mentioned above).
The humour was subdued and kept to a minimum with Han and Chewie's rapport providing most of the laughs through off-hand comments. I was worried it would be awkward or cheesy (see 'Your Mom' jokes in TLJ), but it steered clear as best it could.
In summary, much of my enjoyment of Solo: A Star Wars Story comes from my own desire to see new worlds, fresher perspectives, and a clear ambition to try new things. This film, imo, did both and that does detract from the whole experience. Yes, the film feels far removed from the Skywalker timeline, the Empire/Rebellion story, particularly if you try to imagine you are not looking at a young Han Solo. It almost delivers in introducing a new character, a part of the galaxy that has different values, goals, and principles where money and power is the main focus, not some ideological pursuit akin to Jedi/Sith or autocracy/democracy. Could it have gone further, of course, but this is Disney and safe means profit. At the same time though, the film is held back by the need to tell a story about a character nobody really wants to know. It is forced to supply fan service moments(Han shoots first, Han speaks Shyriiwook, lifedebt or not, where does he get his blaster, how does he earn the Falcon, where he got his name)and while I honestly feel these are kept to the minimum and not some collection of drawn out processes, it still fails to resonate with an audience not seeing Harrison Ford. This is a competent film where there are laughs, great action sequences, but (and most importantly for me) asserts the idea that the galaxy is huge and there are different worlds out there not restricted to adhering to where their allegiances lie, Sith/Jedi/Empire/Republic.
If Solo had been about a young lad growing up on Corellia as a slave, looking for freedom and wanting to escape persecution, Alden could have produced a new and interesting character. He could have started a new trilogy showing us very new and different aspects to the Star Wars galaxy. Instead, we have a film seeking to balance (ironically) good and evil, ambition and profit to the detriment of the overall quality of the film, but not so much as to confine it to the 'it will do pile'. This is a film, I believe, Star Wars fans can enjoy if they look past the need to address Solo's origins. There is a lot of meat in there which does not pertain to who Solo is, and its in those parts where we can find an interesting band of supporting characters, perspectives, values, and worlds.
Drop the old guard (kill it, if you have to), but allow writers to bring us to these new places in Solo, to experience different worlds, and offer a fresh take on the types of people and characters who inhabit it.
Solo: A Star Wars Story - 7.5/10.0 -
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