Group of men in Dublin cause outrage by wearing blackface

pickarooney

Isn't that James P. Sullivan of Monsters Inc.?

unseenfootage

pickarooney wrote: »

Isn't that James P. Sullivan of Monsters Inc.?

You're being silly.

Caption.

American political cartoon by Thomas Nast titled "The Usual Irish Way of Doing Things", depicting a drunken Irishman lighting a powder keg and swinging a bottle. Published 2 September 1871 in Harper's Weekly.

unseenfootage

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You specifically asked me question on a discussion forum.

You may not want opinions from a white man but I'll chat with anyone. Ball's in your court.

I said that I already know what white people think.
I wanted your input on whether you've actually bothered to determine how black people feel.

ohnonotgmail

unseenfootage wrote: »

Oh, I've got white people's opinion's already. More than 30 pages of it in fact.
I specifically wanted to know if white people on boards have bothered to ask black people how they feel about blackface.
Do their opinions matter at all to us or do we just project ours onto them?

how do you know the ethnicity of the posters here?

FortySeven

unseenfootage wrote: »

Since you insist on answering for black people, maybe you could answer this.

Do you find this caricature of Irish people to be offensive.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/TheUsualIrishWayofDoingThings.jpg

Reminds me of myself. No. I'm not offended by that. It is a historical document.

unseenfootage

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

how do you know the ethnicity of the posters here?

I don't.
I'm making an assumption that the majority of posters are white and Irish.

unseenfootage

FortySeven wrote: »

Reminds me of myself. No. I'm not offended by that. It is a historical document.

So if an English person wore a white colored "ape like mask" and peasant clothes with a bag of potatoes, a bomb in one hand, a bottle of whiskey in the other and caricatured a "drunk and stupid" Irish person, you would not be the least bit offended?

FortySeven

unseenfootage wrote: »

So if an English person wore a white colored "ape like mask" and peasant clothes with a bag of potatoes, a bomb in one hand, a bottle of whiskey in the other and caricatured a "drunk and stupid" Irish person, you would not be the least bit offended?

No. I'm Scottish.

ohnonotgmail

unseenfootage wrote: »

So if an English person wore a white colored "ape like mask" and peasant clothes with a bag of potatoes, a bomb in one hand, a bottle of whiskey in the other and caricatured a "drunk and stupid" Irish person, you would not be the least bit offended?

not in the slightest. i'd laugh at them for being a feckin' eejit.

Smondie

According to the one

The indigioneous people of ireland were black



Mind=blown


And apparently calling white people 'massa', as in master, is hilarious.

FortySeven

Smondie wrote: »

According to the one

The indigioneous people of ireland were black



Mind=blown


And apparently calling white people 'massa', as in master, is hilarious.

The one on Facebook?

Smondie

FortySeven wrote: »

The one on Facebook?

That's the one

ohnonotgmail

Smondie wrote: »

According to the one

The indigioneous people of ireland were black



Mind=blown


And apparently calling white people 'massa', as in master, is hilarious.

i think they watched the commitments and took jimmy rabbitte too literally.

pickarooney

Kneel Ayn Rudd niece massa

unseenfootage

FortySeven wrote: »

No. I'm Scottish.

hahaha.

I love the Scottish humor.

My favorite scene from trainspotting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1tJJO_pVvQ

Hande hoche!

Smondie wrote: »

According to the one

The indigioneous people of ireland were black



Mind=blown


And apparently calling white people 'massa', as in master, is hilarious.

They were probably wiped out by Yakub's evil creations.

ohnonotgmail

unseenfootage wrote: »

hahaha.

I love the Scottish humor.

My favorite scene from trainspotting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1tJJO_pVvQ

was that not a documentary?

Samaris

Smondie wrote: »

According to the one

The indigioneous people of ireland were black



Mind=blown


And apparently calling white people 'massa', as in master, is hilarious.

Unsure who you mean by "the one", but the term "black Irish" is a thing, but it doesn't refer to skin colour; rather to the traditional Irish colouring of dark (Celtic, I believe) hair, fair skin and grey or blue eyes.


As regards the original post, no, I don't think white people should "black up" and go out. Dressing as a specific person is one thing, and yes, it's one of the greyer areas as it's not innately offensive in itself. I think "blacking up" in tracksuits and whatever is just weird and the message it puts across isn't exactly the most pleasant. It's not something I'd like to see as part of what people think Ireland is like.

There are connotations to blackface. You can deny them all you like because we didn't do anything, but if you're going to do something "American", you're a bit of a fool if you ignore what it means in America. This isn't really like the Svarte Piet business, which was indeed silly.

Quite a lot of people disagree on this, well, fine, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I don't believe that I am being foolishly "PC" by thinking it distasteful.

unseenfootage

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

not in the slightest. i'd laugh at them for being a feckin' eejit.

They colonized and oppressed you for 800 years and you'd laff it off.
I don't think everyone has such thick skin tho.
Can't expect them to either.

Fr_Dougal

unseenfootage wrote: »

I don't.
I'm making an assumption that the majority of posters are white and Irish.

Nice bit of racial profiling there.

Dyr

unseenfootage wrote: »

Since you insist on answering for black people, maybe you could answer this.

Do you find this caricature of Irish people to be offensive.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/TheUsualIrishWayofDoingThings.jpg

You mean like this one?

http://davewalshphoto.photoshelter.com/img/pixel.gif

Or this one?

http://www.travelandleisure.com/sites/default/files/styles/tnl_redesign_article_landing_page/public/1458228145/saint-patricks-day-dublin0316.jpg?itok=YkmQQR97

Amazingly no one was triggered and everyone just got on with their lives

Must be that white privilege

ohnonotgmail

unseenfootage wrote: »

They colonized and oppressed you for 800 years and you'd laff it off.
I don't think everyone has such thick skin tho.
Can't expect them to either.

i think most irish people would laugh at them and consider them eejits. If another irish person wants to take offence then that is up to them. But if somebody who isnt Irish wants to take offence on our behalf they can feck off.

suicide_circus

Just how black are we talking here?

Smondie

Samaris wrote: »

Unsure who you mean by "the one", but the term "black Irish" is a thing, but it doesn't refer to skin colour; rather to the traditional Irish colouring of dark (Celtic, I believe) hair, fair skin and grey or blue eyes.


As regards the original post, no, I don't think white people should "black up" and go out. Dressing as a specific person is one thing, and yes, it's one of the greyer areas as it's not innately offensive in itself. I think "blacking up" in tracksuits and whatever is just weird and the message it puts across isn't exactly the most pleasant. It's not something I'd like to see as part of what people think Ireland is like.

There are connotations to blackface. You can deny them all you like because we didn't do anything, but if you're going to do something "American", you're a bit of a fool if you ignore what it means in America. This isn't really like the Svarte Piet business, which was indeed silly.

Quite a lot of people disagree on this, well, fine, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I don't believe that I am being foolishly "PC" by thinking it distasteful.

The one isrhelady who complained on the first place; whom the article is about.

She is referring to skin colour

They weren't just track suits it was fancy dress.

How is zwarte piet different, it's white men painting themselves black.

Is it because it's European and not American?

If they had dressed as zwarte piet you'd be cool with it?

unseenfootage

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Nice bit of racial profiling there.

Not really. In engineering we make assumptions all the time when presented with problems with insufficient data.

Dyr

Smondie wrote: »

If they had dressed as zwarte piet you'd be cool with it?

I'm offended on behalf of the satanist and heathen communities by people dressing up as perchten and krampus :mad:

unseenfootage

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i think most irish people would laugh at them and consider them eejits. If another irish person wants to take offence then that is up to them. ......

Lets flip the bolded part and apply it to the blackface incident.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

If a black person wants to take offence then that is up to them. ......

ohnonotgmail

unseenfootage wrote: »

Lets flip the bolded part and apply it to the blackface incident.

anybody is free to take offence. what effect do you think that should have?

unseenfootage

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

anybody is free to take offence. what effect do you think that should have?

I think that in the interest of racial harmony these types of behaviors should be discouraged, if not banned.

Now you might be thick skinned to laugh it off but bear in mind that previous generations of Irish people in Ireland, England and America had to endure racial discrimination and oppression because of the belief that the Irish were drunk, murderous and stupid.
Caricatures like the ones I posted about contributed to the oppression. I can assure you, no Irish were laughing back then.

suicide_circus

unseenfootage wrote: »

I think that in the interest of racial harmony these types of behaviors should be discouraged, if not banned.

Now you might be thick skinned to laugh it off but bear in mind that previous generations of Irish people in Ireland, England and America had to endure racial discrimination and oppression because of the belief that the Irish were drunk, murderous and stupid.
Caricatures like the ones I posted about contributed to the oppression. I can assure you, no Irish were laughing back then.

Racial harmony? That's some scary language. Maybe not everyone's interested in your sinister social engineering.