Group of men in Dublin cause outrage by wearing blackface

El_Duderino 09

unseenfootage wrote:

I said that I already know what white people think. I wanted your input on whether you've actually bothered to determine how black people feel.

Seems you've got call the bases covered then. So why bother using a public discussion forum.

The point I was making, and you singularly ignored save telling me you don't want it, is that people are to be treated equally. Black lads are not a protected species the same way french lads are not a protected species. Dressing as someone else is not necessarily derogatory or racist.

Smondie

unseenfootage wrote: »

I think that in the interest of racial harmony these types of behaviors should be discouraged, if not banned.

Now you might be thick skinned to laugh it off but bear in mind that previous generations of Irish people in Ireland, England and America had to endure racial discrimination and oppression because of the belief that the Irish were drunk, murderous and stupid.
Caricatures like the ones I posted about contributed to the oppression. I can assure you, no Irish were laughing back then.

Taking offense on behalf of dead people?

unseenfootage

suicide_circus wrote: »

Racial harmony? That's some scary language. Maybe not everyone's interested in your sinister social engineering.

It's not meant to be sinister at all.
Sad that it scares you.
Treat yourself to a doner kebab or a chicken vindaloo.
That should cheer you up.

Smondie

Bambi wrote: »

I'm offended on behalf of the satanist and heathen communities by people dressing up as perchten and krampus :mad:

It's just the Americans and Irish they're after. The Europeans are excused

ohnonotgmail

unseenfootage wrote: »

I think that in the interest of racial harmony these types of behaviors should be discouraged, if not banned.

Now you might be thick skinned to laugh it off but bear in mind that previous generations of Irish people in Ireland, England and America had to endure racial discrimination and oppression because of the belief that the Irish were drunk, murderous and stupid.
Caricatures like the ones I posted about contributed to the oppression. I can assure you, no Irish were laughing back then.

i dont live in the past.

unseenfootage

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Black lads are not a protected species the same way french lads are not a protected species. Dressing as someone else is not necessarily derogatory or racist.

Doesn't quite work.
Black people and French people are not mutually exclusive.

unseenfootage

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i dont live in the past.

I know.
One learns from it tho....

unseenfootage

Smondie wrote: »

Taking offense on behalf of dead people?

No.
I just recalled an example of the link between caricaturing a people and oppression from the historical record.

ohnonotgmail

unseenfootage wrote: »

I know.
One learns from it tho....

have we not learned from it?

unseenfootage

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i dont live in the past.

This happened only 4 years ago.

.........Almost weekly we are reading in our local newspapers and in Irish newspapers of the antisocial behaviour among the young Irish arriving now. Jobs are being advertised, illegally I might add, with “No Irish Need Apply” in the description. Private rental owners are also advertising “No Irish Need Apply”. Naturally we Irish here are horrified, and the discrimination is being addressed by the appropriate authorities.

However, it is important not to miss the point. These discriminatory comments are a symptom, not the cause. The cause is the disgraceful behaviour of drunken Irish louts causing trouble in entertainment areas, being consistently unreliable at work, applying for jobs they are not skilled to do and destroying rental properties by having out of control parties and leaving them in a dreadful condition when they vacate.

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http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/generationemigration/2012/08/29/bad-behaviour/

Special Circumstances

Is there any chance her Fake Jews hatred was misspelled Fake Juice hatred, and her beef is with Kia Oras terrible caricaturing in their TV ads?

Smondie

unseenfootage wrote: »

No.
I just recalled an example of the link between caricaturing a people and oppression from the historical record.

What have we learned?

Is it better to fester in bitternes?

unseenfootage

Smondie wrote: »

Is it better to fester in bitternes?

No.

unseenfootage

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

have we not learned from it?

Some haven't.

Special Circumstances

Smondie wrote: »

What have we learned?

Is it better to fester in bitternes?

TWITTER! #outrage!

ohnonotgmail

unseenfootage wrote: »

This happened only 4 years ago.

did you read the article you linked to?

However, it is important not to miss the point. These discriminatory comments are a symptom, not the cause. The cause is the disgraceful behaviour of drunken Irish louts causing trouble in entertainment areas, being consistently unreliable at work, applying for jobs they are not skilled to do and destroying rental properties by having out of control parties and leaving them in a dreadful condition when they vacate.

El_Duderino 09

unseenfootage wrote:

Doesn't quite work. Black people and French people are not mutually exclusive.

Thats true but what on earth does that have to do with what I said since it changes nothing? To clarify, neither are protected species and if someone is black and french, they're still not a protected species. Equality

Smondie

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

did you read the article you linked to?

What ever about the other behaviour what has "applying for jobs they are not qualified to do" got with anything?


Isn't that why companies have hr departments and interviews, selection processes Tec?

whisky_galore

Racist, probably not.

Ill advised and unfunny, yes.

unseenfootage

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

did you read the article you linked to?

No. I put on a blindfold and posted it for you to read.

Now sir.
What exactly is your point.

ohnonotgmail

whisky_galore wrote: »

Racist, probably not.

Ill advised and unfunny, yes.

i think that about sums it up. It certainly doesnt justify the outrage that has been shown.

ohnonotgmail

unseenfootage wrote: »

No. I put on a blindfold and posted it for you to read.

Now sir.
What exactly is your point.

that this is unrelated to the discrimination of old.

Smondie

She puts up a picture of Melanesian blondes to prove blonde hair is natural in africa. Papa new guinea is a long way from Africa as far as i'm aware.

unseenfootage

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Thats true but what on earth does that have to do with what I said since it changes nothing? To clarify, neither are protected species and if someone is black and french, they're still not a protected species. Equality

It changes it, since as you know, you could be both French and Black.
French is a nationality.
Black is a race.

Have I suggested that some groups are protected and others not?

jive

34 pages on this, Christ. Anyone offended by it should get a hobby and lighten up. Save your outrage for something that actually matters, not a few lads dressing up as characters from one of their favourite films. The faux outrage on this only perpetuates racism ironically enough.

El_Duderino 09

unseenfootage wrote:

It changes it, since as you know, you could be both French and Black. French is a nationality. Black is a race.

Doesn't change anything though as dressing as either is not necessarily derogatory.

unseenfootage wrote:

Have I suggested that some groups are protected and others not?

I don't know what you're saying as you seem a bit confused to bw honest. To clarify I'll just ask: do you think some groups should be protected?

unseenfootage

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

that this is unrelated to the discrimination of old.

It is related.

unseenfootage

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Doesn't change anything though as dressing as either is not necessarily derogatory.



I don't know what you're saying as you seem a bit confused to bw honest. To clarify I'll just ask: do you think some groups should be protected?

I can't actually think of caricatures of French people, black, brown or white, that might be offensive to them.
Are there any?
Hypothetically speaking though, if there were any then yes, the French, black, brown or white, should be protected.
All groups of people should be protected from offensive behavior and discrimination.
This includes the racist ads forbidding Irish from renting apartments and/or working working in Australia, Poland and America.

El_Duderino 09

unseenfootage wrote:

I can't actually think of caricatures of French people, black, brown or white, that might be offensive to them. Are there any? Hypothetically speaking though, if there were any then yes, the French, black, brown or white, should be protected. All groups of people should be protected from offensive behavior and discrimination. This includes the racist ads forbidding Irish from renting apartments and/or working working in Australia, Poland and America.

Fair enough. I don't think dressing up as someone should be considered offensive or discrimination.

ohnonotgmail

unseenfootage wrote: »

It is related.

ah, automatic gainsaying. Monty python wrote a funny sketch about that. go look it up. it will save both of us a lot of time.