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2016 TdF, Stage 17: Bern → Finhaut-Emosson (185km)

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    #92
    RobertKK
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Thing was though, back during those dynasties I seem to remember the races as being excitement. The passing years may have made that so.


    As a child watching on RTE...Stephen Roche versus Pedro Delgado. I remember that as exciting.


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    #93
    Doc07
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    Eamonnator wrote: »
    And very little harm, that'd be.

    Here, here. Proven cheats like Zacharin are lucky to be able to make a living from cycling so I wouldn't feel sorry for him for missing greater glory at the Olympics.


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    #94
    xxyyzz
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    It is all very predictable. No one is able to live with Froome.

    .
    It's not just Froome though, a lot of his team would be GC contenders on other teams so he never has to stick his head in the wind until all the other teams are down to the last man, all the cards are stacked in their favour because they have so much cash.


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    #95
    gordongekko
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    We all know about Armstrong indurain has had a lot of rumours about him so that make froome the once in a generation sportsman.


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    #96
    donfers
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    isitraining wrote: »
    General classification after stage 17
    GC

    1 Christopher Froome (GBr) Team Sky 77:25:10
    2 Bauke Mollema (Ned) Trek-Segafredo 0:02:27
    3 Adam Yates (GBr) Orica-BikeExchange 0:02:53
    4 Nairo Quintana (Col) Movistar Team 0:03:27
    5 Romain Bardet (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 0:04:15
    6 Richie Porte (Aus) BMC Racing Team 0:04:27
    7 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Movistar Team 0:05:19
    8 Fabio Aru (Ita) Astana Pro Team 0:05:35
    9 Daniel Martin (Irl) Etixx - Quick-Step 0:05:50
    10 Louis Meintjes (RSA) Lampre - Merida 0:06:07

    Meintjes looked good today and could push Dan down to 10th in the coming days


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    #97
    Tigerandahalf
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    Thud wrote: »
    much and all as I like seeing Dan attack, it cost him time there

    Ya foolish. He has done that twice now on different stages and he has been pulled in very quickly. Just doesn't have the ability to put time on lads.
    But maybe he feels he needs to do it to enjoy racing. With no teammate to pull him along he is stuck.


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    #98
    Burial.
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    Bjarne Riis sums it up well:

    "All these riders who were supposed to attack are not even good enough to be domestiques for Froome".

    Sky have poisoned cycling beyond repair.


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    #99
    Eamonnator
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    Burial. wrote: »
    Bjarne Riis sums it up well:

    "All these riders who were supposed to attack are not even good enough to be domestiques for Froome".

    Sky have poisoned cycling beyond repair.

    In what way, have Sky poisoned cycling?


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    #100
    Thud
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    donfers wrote: »
    Sick of all the dynasties in TDF history, Indurain was untouchable for years, then Armstrong, then a few years when it was a lottery, then the Sky dynasty with Wiggins/Froome

    It's rarely a real competition. Most years 1 rider is way ahead of everyone else.

    http://cyclingtips.com/2016/07/who-has-the-most-stages-in-yellow-at-the-tour-de-france/

    Have you seen this yellow jersey analysis? Froome's trajectory looks similar to Merckx/Hinault/Induran, could be in for a few more years of it too...


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    #101
    kilns
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    if Prudhomme wanted to make it more of a contest he may need to get more creative with the route to negate the strengths of Froome


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    #102
    Taxuser1
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    SKY bought well. the domestiques in their own right are on a par with most of the GC men. Poels and Nieve did nothing to really extend themselves in the first 2 weeks, now they're fresh out.


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    #103
    RobertKK
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    Looking bad for Dan given he was totally exhausted at the end and laid out flat after the finish line, needs a fast recovery for the time trial.

    Eurosport trying to build it up as if the TDF is not decided, despite them saying Froome has said that he never felt better in a 3rd week of the tour.


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    #104
    neris
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    kilns wrote: »
    if Prudhomme wanted to make it more of a contest he may need to get more creative with the route to negate the strengths of Froome

    the thing being though Froomes a good all rounder so how do you negate that? only thing hes not great at is sprinting and the race be fairly dull with heaps of sprints


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    #105
    xxyyzz
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    kilns wrote: »
    if Prudhomme wanted to make it more of a contest he may need to get more creative with the route to negate the strengths of Froome

    What does he do though? They stacked their team with climbers this time round. If it's a flatter tour he has Stannard, Roche Kiriyenka and half a dozen other riders to protect him.


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    #106
    kilns
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    neris wrote: »
    kilns wrote: »
    if Prudhomme wanted to make it more of a contest he may need to get more creative with the route to negate the strengths of Froome

    the thing being though Froomes a good all rounder so how do you negate that? only thing hes not great at is sprinting and the race be fairly dull with heaps of sprints
    Change the type of terrain up, maybe more cobbles. Not directly effecting Froome but perhaps changing the type of riders Sky might have to bring so that he has less specialists in the mountains with him


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    #107
    Thud
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    Pantano would make a decent domestique next year for some of the GC men looking for support in the hills


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    #108
    godtabh
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    Burial. wrote: »

    Sky have poisoned cycling beyond repair.

    By assembling the best squad available? That's what happens in pro sports. If you dont like it I suggest you watch amateur racing.


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    #109
    Burial.
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    Thud wrote: »
    Pantano would make a decent domestique next year for some of the GC men looking for support in the hills

    Supposedly about to sign for Trek. Contador will have good doms in him and Mollema.


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    #110
    Tigerandahalf
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    It would be much better fun if a lad had to change his own puncture or fix a chain! None of this team car behind you with everything laid on.

    How good is Froome though? I was reading he had some unknown parasitic condition in his body for about 10 years and it is only now that his true ability is shining through.


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    #111
    velo.2010
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    In keeping with Sky's marginal gains approach, I'd suggest to Wout Poels to stay off Twitter and any cycling related forums this evening.


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    #112
    Thud
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    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    It would be much better fun if a lad had to change his own puncture or fix a chain! None of this team car behind you with everything laid on.

    How good is Froome though? I was reading he had some unknown parasitic condition in his body for about 10 years and it is only now that his true ability is shining through.

    just like that Peter Parker lad


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    #113
    pelevin
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    In terms of the idea of watching sport to make you feel good, I think I'll retire from it.


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    #114
    kilns
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    Its hard to resist Sky if you are a good rider with a short career, if you compare the salary budgets of say Sky and AG2R. Skys salary budget for the year was EUR 18.9m and AG2R was EUR 6.0


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    #115
    retalivity
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    velo.2010 wrote: »
    In keeping with Sky's marginal gains approach, I'd suggest to Wout Poels to stay off Twitter and any cycling related forums this evening.

    Whats this about? Didnt see the end


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    #116
    Pudsy33
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    gordongekko wrote: »
    Dan attacking from 5km out was madness. If he had just done what Yeats has done and just hung in there he'd be top 3 now. It's been his early attacks that have cost him.

    Meh top 3, so what. He's riding for the win, albeit in vain, but its better that than hanging around and waiting.


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    #117
    pelevin
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    Yeah, it's a no-win. Noone attacks - why watch such tedium. You do attack early enough that it might be worthwhile, you just get swallowed up by the Sky men & lose time as a consequence. Fair do's to Dan for trying & always having the true spirit of sport within him.


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    #118
    JK.BMC
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    Burial. wrote: »
    What the f*ck was that from Wout Poels? Jesus f*cking Christ.

    Can you explain? I watched the last 8km and I'm at a loss. Did he punch a spectator?


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    #119
    RobFowl
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    JK.BMC wrote: »
    Can you explain? I watched the last 8km and I'm at a loss. Did he punch a spectator?

    No, just dropped some of the best climbers in the world by burning them off his wheel.
    Nothing to see here.


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    #120
    gordongekko
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    Pudsy33 wrote: »
    Meh top 3, so what. He's riding for the win, albeit in vain, but its better that than hanging around and waiting.

    Lot of racing to be done. He's out of it now. Nothing to say froome won't crash or have a bad day. Having a go today with 5km to go was just asking for trouble.


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    #121
    Pudsy33
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    gordongekko wrote: »
    Lot of racing to be done. He's out of it now. Nothing to say froome won't crash or have a bad day. Having a go today with 5km to go was just asking for trouble.

    Froome wont have that bad a day. If everyone rode like that we would get nowhere. Being 5 minutes down is not the time to be defensive. He gave it a go because he obviously felt strong, and in fairness Porte, Barde and Mollema have done the same at various points. A podium was always gonna be tough with his TT issues and a top 10 is still a great achievement.


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