Selfish parking? (See mod warning: Post 373)

SteM

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Got it folks. I really had hoped it wouldn't come to this but ah well, seems everyone's not as reasonable as me. Parking will nilly here I come.

It's not just that. Other posters are right. Don't get drawn into an argument with people knocking. Just say that there is a car parked across 2 spaces, shrug your shoulders and say you'll move your car when the Opel is parked properly. Say the same thing to everyone that calls. If the same person calls on different nights don't answer the door to them the second time. They need to get into the habit of speaking to the lady with the Opel not to you and you need to train that into them.

ted1

SteM wrote: »

It's not just that. Other posters are right. Don't get drawn into an argument with people knocking. Just say that there is a car parked across 2 spaces, shrug your shoulders and say you'll move your car when the Opel is parked properly. Say the same thing to everyone that calls. If the same person calls on different nights don't answer the door to them the second time. They need to get into the habit of speaking to the lady with the Opel not to you and you need to train that into them.

Do not say you'll move your car , it's a communal spot.

The J Stands for Jay

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Got it folks. I really had hoped it wouldn't come to this but ah well, seems everyone's not as reasonable as me. Parking will nilly here I come.

Parking as intended by the developers here you come.

SteM

ted1 wrote: »

Do not say you'll move your car , it's a communal spot.

To keep the peace I'd move the car if the opel parked correctly. Obviously the opel is not going to move so it's a moot point. A concession to help keep the peace and focus the issue on the opel owners parking.

ted1

SteM wrote: »

To keep the peace I'd move the car if the opel parked correctly. Obviously the opel is not going to move so it's a moot point. A concession to help keep the peace and focus the issue on the opel owners parking.

It's not keeping the peace , it's bending over backwards and taking it from your neighbours.

SteM

ted1 wrote: »

It's not keeping the peace , it's bending over backwards and taking it from your neighbours.

It's not. As long as the opel owner parks properly there's a spot for the OP to park in that keeps everyone happy. That's all I said. I'm specifically saying don't change what you're doing until opel lady parks properly. That's the opposite of bending over backwards, we must have different views on the meaning of the phrase. Once (if) the opel lady starts parking properly then go back to parking where you used to. That's hardly bending over backwards either, that's called compromise.

This sounds like a group of owner occupiers, if it is I'd much rather get on with my neighbours. You never know when you might need their help with something. I don't see the benefit in pissing people off for no reason.

ted1

SteM wrote: »

It's not. As long as the opel owner parks properly there's a spot for the OP to park in that keeps everyone happy. That's all I said. I'm specifically saying don't change what you're doing until opel lady parks properly. That's the opposite of bending over backwards, we must have different views on the meaning of the phrase. Once (if) the opel lady starts parking properly then go back to parking where you used to. That's hardly bending over backwards either, that's called compromise.

This sounds like a group of owner occupiers, if it is I'd much rather get on with my neighbours. You never know when you might need their help with something. I don't see the benefit in pissing people off for no reason.

Each person has an equal right to the spaces, why would he move when a neighbour demands that he does?

SteM

ted1 wrote: »

Each person has an equal right to the spaces, why would he move when a neighbour demands that he does?

Can you show me where I said that? The closest I came was

To keep the peace I'd move the car if the opel parked correctly. Obviously the opel is not going to move so it's a moot point. A concession to help keep the peace and focus the issue on the opel owners parking.

If you read the thread you'll see that the Opel is going to readjust their parked car which means the OP doesn’t have to move. I think you're having an argument with yourself here.

anewme

No, by moving at all, you are conceding that they "own" the spaces. Moving only suits now, what if Opel gets another car and wants her space back? They have all decided that they all have 2 cars whereas OP has one. OP has been too nice, guarantee you if someone else moved in, the'd start as they mean to go on and park in the Communal Space. OP has kept the peace too much.

I dont think they are the kind of people you need to get on with, or that you will get on with - you will get on with them as long as you do their bidding. Why then, is the heap of junk Ka left sitting there and she's not moving it for man nor beast. She is probably in the "clique" where Opel Woman is not, so despite them both being equally awkward and wasting spaces, all blame is pushed on Opel woman.

Also, if they knocked in once, or if they corner you on the way out, I'd go as far as to tell them that you wont be discussing it again, they are communal spaces, best to take it up with the council if they have an issue.

I'd rather get on with my neighbours, but I'd be taking no crap from them, if that meant I did not get on with them, its an awful pity, but compromise goes two ways.

RayCun

SteM wrote: »

To keep the peace I'd move the car if the opel parked correctly. Obviously the opel is not going to move so it's a moot point. A concession to help keep the peace and focus the issue on the opel owners parking.

I don't see the point.

If OP is parked in space E and the Opel is across A and B, and another neighbour (Tom) comes along...

If OP says I will move from E to B if B is free, and then Tom can park in space E - all he is doing is inserting himself back into the situation. He's saying space E belongs to Tom. He's saying it's a three-way dispute between Opel driver, OP, and Tom. Tom is going to say, "no, leave me out of it. you stop parking in my space and sort things out with the Opel driver yourself"

If OP says, "I parked in E because E was free. Your problem is with the Opel blocking two spaces", OP is saying it is not OP's problem, it is a problem for everyone on the street as he should have done from the start.

Quandary

buy a clamp and clamp her car when ever she parks across two spaces. It might escalate the situation in the short term but if she wants to behave like a Cnut by inconveniencing you then you should return the favour.

I'm guessing the clamp would only have to be used maybe twice before she starts behaving on. Maybe three or four times if she's a slow learner.

josip

anewme wrote: »

No, by moving at all, you are conceding that they "own" the spaces. Moving only suits now, what if Opel gets another car and wants her space back? They have all decided that they all have 2 cars whereas OP has one. OP has been too nice, guarantee you if someone else moved in, the'd start as they mean to go on and park in the Communal Space. OP has kept the peace too much.

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I thought that the OP and his wife had a car each?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=100439182&postcount=52
Have I misunderstood something?

threetrees

If I remember correctly it's 6 houses and 11 spots. 3 houses have 2 cars, Opel house has 1 car but takes 2 spots, one house has 1 car and a declared off road car permanently occupying a spot and OP had 1 car but now has 2. There's still 11 cars and 11 spots. Opel taking 2 spots and Ka taking a spot are the issues.

What happened that grass verge that could kind of be used as a spot? Any chance Ka could use that?

Is the estate privately run by a management company or has it been taken in charge by the council? Contact the management company or a local councillor, whichever applies. You never know, a local politician may be able to help.

anewme

josip wrote: »

I thought that the OP and his wife had a car each?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=100439182&postcount=52
Have I misunderstood something?

I meant spaces.

the whole thing has blown up because they have all decided they have 2 spaces each and by parking around the corner or whatever, the OP has only taken one (despite having 2 cars)

RayCun

yeah, if a neighbour comes around and says, "you're parking in one of my spaces", ask why they get two spaces when there aren't two spaces for everyone...

ted1

SteM wrote: »

To keep the peace I'd move the car if the opel parked correctly.

^^^^^^^^^

Kintarō Hattori

josip wrote: »

I thought that the OP and his wife had a car each?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=100439182&postcount=52
Have I misunderstood something?

You're correct. She's had a car from when we first moved in years ago but I only bought a car in June of this year. At that time no-one was using the space beside Opel Fruit and it had been unused for a long long time. I started to park there and then the antics started.

If you can imagine 8 houses on a terrace. Two at the end have driveways, the rest of us use 11 spaces which are just in front of the row. So the spot I park in, is a few steps away from my front gate. I've illustrated it badly below. The red spot to the left is the one my partner parks in, the one to the right is the one which used to be empty but is now double parked across. Obviously he illustration is terrible (the joys of MS Paint) but those 11 parking spots are evenly spaced.

anewme

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

You're correct. She's had a car from when we first moved in years ago but I only bought a car in June of this year. At that time no-one was using the space beside Opel Fruit and it had been unused for a long long time. I started to park there and then the antics started.

If you can imagine 8 houses on a terrace. Two at the end have driveways, the rest of us use 11 spaces which are just in front of the row. So the spot I park in, is a few steps away from my front gate. I've illustrated it badly below. The red spot to the left is the one my partner parks in, the one to the right is the one which used to be empty but is now double parked across. Obviously he illustration is terrible (the joys of MS Paint) but those 11 parking spots are evenly spaced.

OP, with a bit less writing and a bit more colour, you could be knocking out Rothko's! There are a lot of similarities. :pac::pac:

Mary63

Opel fruit feels hard done by because its"her"space that has been affected by you buying the car.

its human nature to hold onto to what we have and she had laid claim to this spot.Is she a house owner or renting.I am presuming she is the owner and she is thinking of resale value of the house.Having two spots to park will make the house a lot more attractive.

The problem is she doesn't own the spots,they have not been assigned to her property and until the spaces are numbered no one has a right to any space.You won't get this through to your neighbours because they all think they own two spaces and opel fruit is the only one whose space is under threat because she doesn't have two cars.She is reserving the spot in case in the future she or someone living in her house gets another car because she doesn't want to be in the situation OP is in now,i.e. getting grief no matter where the second car is parked.

I don't know what the solution is.Even if you number the spaces how do you decide who gets two spaces.

robtri

can you block her in...
when she parks across two spaces park right across behind her so she cant get out without coming to ask you to move...

then politely tell her that as long as she takes two spaces you will continue to park like that.... then each time it happens tell her you will move it in a minute.. and that minute gets a lot longer every time it happens....

anewme

robtri wrote: »

can you block her in...
when she parks across two spaces park right across behind her so she cant get out without coming to ask you to move...

then politely tell her that as long as she takes two spaces you will continue to park like that.... then each time it happens tell her you will move it in a minute.. and that minute gets a lot longer every time it happens....

If op blocks her in, he's making it about just her and him. If op just takes another space if it's free, it's making it all of their problem.

Let one of the others block her in.

The thing op has to do is persevere and keep taking the other spaces and break the mentality for the rest of them that they own the spaces. Just like breaking any bad habit, just make the new habit not to think of any soace as belonging to anyone.

robtri

anewme wrote: »

If op blocks her in, he's making it about just her and him. If op just takes another space if it's free, it's making it all of their problem.

Let one of the others block her in.

The thing op has to do is persevere and keep taking the other spaces and break the mentality for the rest of them that they own the spaces. Just like breaking any bad habit, just make the new habit not to think of any soace as belonging to anyone.

but OP has already backed down from confronting all of the neighbors... and doesn't seem keen to pursue that option....

anewme

robtri wrote: »

but OP has already backed down from confronting all of the neighbors... and doesn't seem keen to pursue that option....

No I think the new assertive OP said he's going to keep parking in any available space and sod them all after that

Neon_Lights

To the cheapskates who park in and around on Church Road in East Wall every morning, residents have to park there too and would rather not walk halfway down the road after heading out in the car in the morning.

coolbeans

Delete

coolbeans

Neon_Lights wrote: »

To the cheapskates who park in and around on Church Road in East Wall every morning, residents have to park there too and would rather not walk halfway down the road after heading out in the car in the morning.

They've as much right to park there as you do.

degsie

coolbeans wrote: »

Delete

Who? Opel fruit? Bit much...

Buffman

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

I started to park there and then the antics started.

First I want to say thanks for the thread, between opel fruits ex, the skip, the fake opel fruit and everything else, it's had more plot twists than Fair City!:D

If I recall the deleted photo from your first post correctly, there's a massive green in front of the houses. So I would do this.

If there is a space free, take it and ignore the neighbours. They've all shown they're inconsiderate at this stage, so I wouldn't worry about them at all.

If there is no free parking space, park on the green in front of your house. (Try not to spin your wheels to stop it getting mucky)

If opel fruits space is ever free, make sure you park like she does in it.

Hotblack Desiato

SteM wrote: »

This sounds like a group of owner occupiers, if it is I'd much rather get on with my neighbours. You never know when you might need their help with something. I don't see the benefit in pissing people off for no reason.

By the sounds of it I wouldn't want to rely on the help of these neighbours if I was on fire. They'll get your help OP when they've earned it, and they're quite a long way off that.

endacl

Neon_Lights wrote: »

To the cheapskates who park in and around on Church Road in East Wall every morning, residents have to park there too and would rather not walk halfway down the road after heading out in the car in the morning.

Park yer off topic comments in yer own thread.

:mad:

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ted1

Neon_Lights wrote: »

To the cheapskates who park in and around on Church Road in East Wall every morning, residents have to park there too and would rather not walk halfway down the road after heading out in the car in the morning.

Residents don't own the road.

deiseindublin

Came across this thread last night for the first time and can't help but feel frustrated that after reading 39 pages, you're no further on!!!! Op - you're being far too nice, it'll never come to a head.

MarkR

Good point. Unfollowing thread. Can someone message me if there's an amazing update? Will accept clamps, towing, damage to vehicles, or gardai on scene.

Kintarō Hattori

Well nothing major to report. I've been parking in the spot between her and the neighbour for a few weeks now without any incident. Not sure what's happened but there seems to have been a change of attitude..... unless she's messing with my head.
While I come home and the space is 95% free, I have been getting the below on Fridays. I can live with that though and am amused by the silliness of it.

degsie

Overfilling the bins is indeed a bit childish.

GBX

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Well nothing major to report. I've been parking in the spot between her and the neighbour for a few weeks now without any incident. Not sure what's happened but there seems to have been a change of attitude..... unless she's messing with my head.
While I come home and the space is 95% free, I have been getting the below on Fridays. I can live with that though and am amused by the silliness of it.

Id be moving them back to the path so they wouldn't be collected just to annoy her! :rolleyes:

Kintarō Hattori

GBX wrote: »

Id be moving them back to the path so they wouldn't be collected just to annoy her! :rolleyes:

Ooh... one to remember for the future.

josip

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Ooh... one to remember for the future.

Also, if while you were moving them, the bar code on the side were to somehow get a bit scratched, the automated lifter on the truck will refuse to take them.

degsie

josip wrote: »

Also, if while you were moving them, the bar code on the side were to somehow get a bit scratched, the automated lifter on the truck will refuse to take them.

Trucks use rfid.

josip

degsie wrote: »

Trucks use rfid.

Bugger

ted1

josip wrote: »

Also, if while you were moving them, the bar code on the side were to somehow get a bit scratched, the automated lifter on the truck will refuse to take them.

Most bins have an rfid tag in the corner. That gets read when the bin lifts.
http://www.midland-environmental.ie/wheelie-bins/rfid-microchips

tnegun

Those rfids have been know to fallout particular care is needed when you have to grab the bin to move it from behind your car

degsie

tnegun wrote: »

Those rfids have been know to fallout particular care is needed when you have to grab the bin to move it from behind your car

They are incredibly difficult to remove.

punisher5112

degsie wrote: »

They are incredibly difficult to remove.

You can remove most things with fire. Fire is good.

Liamalone

So that's where you live then, sweet

Gumbo

So OP, you own the Panda?
The neighbor is now putting the bins behind your car?

I would simply reverse slowly and knock them over, see how that goes down with her...

Ryath

kceire wrote: »

So OP, you own the Panda?
The neighbor is now putting the bins behind your car?

I would simply reverse slowly and knock them over, see how that goes down with her...

It's a Panda not a tank!

You'd end up doing damage to the car.

degsie

Ryath wrote: »

It's a Panda not a tank!

You'd end up doing damage to the car.

That Panda is only a two wheeler...

Mousewar

I reversed my car last week into our wheelie bin. It got wedged between the car and the wall. The car had a huge dent in it. The wall collapsed and the bin was barely marked.

Brief_Lives