Season long bets/accumulators (2016/17)

yabadabado

That time of year again,started to look into a accums today.
Nothing concrete yet but a few ideas.

Anyone place one yet ?

Starscream25

Juventus
Barcelona
Bayern
Psg
Psv
Aguero
Monaco to finish top 3
Rangers to win without Celtic
Newcastle to be promoted
117/1 on paddy power

might trim this down by 2 or 3 but it's what I'm thinking at the mo.

9de5q7tsr8u2im

Starscream25 wrote: »

Juventus
Barcelona
Bayern
Psg
Psv
Aguero
Monaco to finish top 3
Rangers to win without Celtic
Newcastle to be promoted
117/1 on paddy power

might trim this down by 2 or 3 but it's what I'm thinking at the mo.

Monaco guaranteed top 3
Newcastle 90% as long as they keep most players from last season

Starscream25

Selena Prehistoric Riverside wrote: »

Monaco guaranteed top 3
Newcastle 90% as long as they keep most players from last season

Id prefer a Dortmund to win without Bayern instead of Bayern to win outright, 1/7 is terrible but is expected I guess, Aswell as a feyenoord to win without Ajax and psv in of psv to win, hopefully there will be more options in the coming weeks.

9de5q7tsr8u2im

Starscream25 wrote: »

Id prefer a Dortmund to win without Bayern instead of Bayern to win outright, 1/7 is terrible but is expected I guess, Aswell as a feyenoord to win without Ajax and psv in of psv to win, hopefully there will be more options in the coming weeks.

Dortmund win is a definite w/o bayern of course!
Feyenoord // Psv // Ajax are all equally as good ask inforfun as hes the man for all dutch teams, as well of his perception of feyenoords abilities this year

Starscream25

Going for the early retirement accumulator and need your wisdom boards people, this is what I've narrowed it down to.

Bayern to win Bundesliga
Juventus to win Serie A
Monaco to finish top 3 in Ligue 1
Newcastle to be promoted
Rangers to be top without Celtic
Aguero top goalscorer E/W
Germany to top their qualifying group
England to top their qualifying group
Belgium to top their qualifying group

This all comes in at 73.25/1

What is the biggest risk here? Anything I should add? Anything I should take out?
Psg without Ibra will suffer so should drop points giving Lyon and Monaco the incentive to go for it, aguero will be tg if he remains fit, his goals to games ratio is just too good, Germany and England have handy enough qualifying groups I think. Bayern and juventus are leagues ahead of their rivals although the pogba situation will make me wait for this one, Rangers proved their metal in last years cup final, Newcastle under Benitez look good, not too sure about Belgium.

Dice75

Yearly punt to try pull together a Vegas fund for next summer...


Burnley - relegation
Rotherham - relegation
Barcelona - Champions League

Pays 24/1 - can lay some off if we make it to the CL Final

fuzzydunlop85

Well lads was away for a few months there around Asia, hope yee all keeping well and had a profitable Euros! Hit the bar last season for a couple of big bets, hoping for a bit more luck this season.

-Stoke top 10 finish 2/1
-Juve serie A o/r 1/2
-Doncaster top 7 league 2 finish 8/11
-Charlton top 6 finish league 1 1/1
-Aberdeen w/o old firm 8/13
-Norwich top 6 finish championship 1/1
-Monaco top 3 finish 5/6

30e acca pays 2,530.

The above with Barca and Psv o/r 10e pays 2,850.

Will probably do a couple more as the season draws closer, anyone know when the racing post pullout is out?

9de5q7tsr8u2im

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

Well lads was away for a few months there around Asia, hope yee all keeping well and had a profitable Euros! Hit the bar last season for a couple of big bets, hoping for a bit more luck this season.

-Stoke top 10 finish 2/1
-Juve serie A o/r 1/2
-Doncaster top 7 league 2 finish 8/11
-Charlton top 6 finish league 1 1/1
-Aberdeen w/o old firm 8/13
-Norwich top 6 finish championship 1/1
-Monaco top 3 finish 5/6

30e acca pays 2,530.

The above with Barca and Psv o/r 10e pays 2,850.

Will probably do a couple more as the season draws closer, anyone know when the racing post pullout is out?

Higuain to juventus = Juventus champions

RebelButtMunch

As a novice to these bets, would I place these bets online, or would the bookies think I'm mad if I walked in and placed it?

9de5q7tsr8u2im

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

As a novice to these bets, would I place these bets online, or would the bookies think I'm mad if I walked in and placed it?

To be honest i wouldn't be ashamed as its a common ritual among punters, there be a load of lads like yourself who'd be doing that before the season starts you never know at the end of the day it might come in!

callaway92

Aguero - Prem League Top Scorer
Jordan Ayew - Championship Top Scorer

Double

langer91

Accum

Bayern Munich (to win the league)
Monaco (top 3 finish)
Aberdeen (w/o Old Firm teams)
Newcastle (to win the Championship)
Juventus (to win the league)
Hull (to be bottom on Christmas Day)

58/1 with Paddy

Loafing Oaf

Starscream25 wrote: »

aguero will be tg if he remains fit, his goals to games ratio is just too good

Very big if...

Thinking about going big on Hull/Burnley relegation double but I got badly burned on my 'sure thing' big bet last year, Stoke top Midlands team...

Starscream25

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Very big if...

Thinking about going big on Hull/Burnley relegation double but I got badly burned on my 'sure thing' big bet last year, Stoke top Midlands team...

Sure don't I know it, he cost me just under 5k last season ...........
Putting him down as e/w to cover in the event that he comes 2nd-6th

yabadabado

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Very big if...

Thinking about going big on Hull/Burnley relegation double but I got badly burned on my 'sure thing' big bet last year, Stoke top Midlands team...

Still sick over Stoke. They let me down in a ten fold.Bet was gone by Xmas in reality but was still waiting for Leicester to have a complete meltdown in March:eek:

inforfun

Stickied.

And oh.... Feyenoord will win the Eredivisie this year.

9de5q7tsr8u2im

inforfun wrote: »

Stickied.

And oh.... Feyenoord will win the Eredivisie this year.

I wonder will they have that disastrous spell of run of games this season as compared to last season, hope im wrong!

inforfun

Selena Prehistoric Riverside wrote: »

I wonder will they have that disastrous spell of run of games this season as compared to last season, hope im wrong!

Take away that 7 losses in a row and they would have been champions.... Not realistic that should have been 7 wins though as there was Ajax and PSV included in that "run"
But without that freak run they would have been 5 points behind.
With no one leaving and having bought Jorgensen from Copenhagen, who has made a very good impression so far and still looking for a right winger things will be a lot closer.
Once they have that rw sorted, they are definitely worth a punt.

fuzzydunlop85

Starscream25 wrote: »

Going for the early retirement accumulator and need your wisdom boards people, this is what I've narrowed it down to.

Bayern to win Bundesliga
Juventus to win Serie A
Monaco to finish top 3 in Ligue 1
Newcastle to be promoted
Rangers to be top without Celtic
Aguero top goalscorer E/W
Germany to top their qualifying group
England to top their qualifying group
Belgium to top their qualifying group

This all comes in at 73.25/1

What is the biggest risk here? Anything I should add? Anything I should take out?
Psg without Ibra will suffer so should drop points giving Lyon and Monaco the incentive to go for it, aguero will be tg if he remains fit, his goals to games ratio is just too good, Germany and England have handy enough qualifying groups I think. Bayern and juventus are leagues ahead of their rivals although the pogba situation will make me wait for this one, Rangers proved their metal in last years cup final, Newcastle under Benitez look good, not too sure about Belgium.

Pretty sure you can't put Aguero e/w in that bet as the rest are outright win bets? I think there is some good value in looking at top 6/7 finishes in championship and league 1/2, especially in league 1 where Sheffield United are somehow favorites every year( finished 11th last year and favs again!).

Starscream25

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

Pretty sure you can't put Aguero e/w in that bet as the rest are outright win bets? I think there is some good value in looking at top 6/7 finishes in championship and league 1/2, especially in league 1 where Sheffield United are somehow favorites every year( finished 11th last year and favs again!).

A bit of a blooper on my part, still happy to go with aguero as top goalscorer this season in my accu, I wouldn't be too privy on the championship and lower divisions, going to pay more attention to them this season. Something must of gone into the pies over in Sheffield for them to underachieve as much as they did.

NATLOR

Newcastle promotion
Barca O/R
Juve O/R
Monaco top 3
Chelsea O/R

50/1

fuzzydunlop85

Taken from another forum, thought it might be useful for some on here(especially the layers)


Over the last few seasons I have been relatively successful betting on Ante Post football by following a serious of betting statistics.

I have also posted this analysis on the Betfair Football forum

You may have already read my handicap preview and made some use of the statistics I have produced there.

Now I look at the betting statistics of the Championship, League One and League Two with the aim of highlighting some trends that can be used to help identify the value selections and delete those, who statistically, have a only slim chance at best of winning their divisions.

This will be the fourth season I have posted this analysis, a lot of the facts still apply having updated the returns for the 2015-2016 season.

Last season I advised that DERBY/MIDDLESBORO, SHEFF UTD and PORTSMOUTH, who were the cornerstones of many ante-post football accas, were statistically very much up against it and had to be opposed, and not surprisingly none of them won their respective leagues.

LETS LOOK AT THE LAST 17 SEASONS STATISTICS BEFORE YOU PLACE YOUR ANTE-POST FOOTBALL WAGERS

LAST 17 CHAMPIONSHIP WINNERS WITH OPENING DAY OF SEASON ODDS

1999–2000 Charlton Athletic 10/1
2000–01 Fulham 6/1
2001–02 Manchester City 7/2 FAVOURITE
2002–03 Portsmouth 22/1
2003–04 Norwich City 25/1
2004–05 Sunderland 10/1
2005–06 Reading 25/1
2006–07 Sunderland 8/1
2007–08 West Bromwich Albion 8/1
2008–09 Wolverhampton Wanderers 14/1
2009–10 Newcastle United 8/1
2010–11 Queens Park Rangers 12/1
2011–12 Reading 16/1
2012–13 Cardiff 12/1
2013-14 Leicester 12/1
2014-15 Bournemouth 25/1
2015-16 Burnley 14/1

ONLY 1 FAVOURITE HAS WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP IN THE LAST 17 SEASONS, however, this season the market has the shortest ever priced favourite in Newcastle United, can they defy the stats? I BELIEVE SO!

15 OF THE LAST 17 WINNERS HAVE BETWEEN 8/1 AND 25/1 an 88.2% strike rate and there are 6 teams in the ante post market that are in that bracket. The combined price of backing all 6 is 5/4 which is significantly better value than the odds the stats imply which would be 1/8!

ONLY 5 RELEGATED SIDES HAVE WON THE DIVISION THE NEXT SEASON: Charlton 00, Man City 02, Sunderland 07, Newcastle 10 and Burnley last season @ 29% - The combined price of Newcastle, Norwich or Aston Villa winning the league is 5/6, hardly represents value on the stats!

ONLY 5 TEAMS THAT MADE THE PLAY-OFFS THE PREVIOUS SEASON, won the league the next season: Sunderland 05, WBA 08, Reading 12, Cardiff 13 and Leicester 14, a strike rate of 29.7%, so still less likely to happen than happen, however the combined price of Sheff Wednesday, Derby and Brighton is 4/1 and that represents better value than the statistics suggest the price should be.

NO PROMOTED SIDE IN THE 17 SEASONS HAS WON THE DIVISION IN THE SEASON FOLLOWING PROMOTION!!

If we use the 8/1 to 25/1 bracket as the place most likely to provide the winner, then Norwich, Aston Villa, Sheff Wednesday, Derby, Wolves and Brighton are the teams who are most likely going to topple THE TOON, and statistically, represent better value.


LAST 17 DIVISION ONE WINNERS WITH OPENING DAY OF SEASON ODDS

1999-00 Preston North End 12/1
2000–01 Millwall 9/1
2001–02 Brighton 20/1
2002–03 Wigan Athletic 8/1
2003–04 Plymouth Argyle 20/1
2004–05 Luton Town 33/1
2005–06 Southend United 50/1
2006–07 Scunthorpe United 66/1
2007–08 Swansea City 11/1
2008–09 Leicester City 6/1
2009–10 Norwich City 8/1
2010–11 Brighton 14/1
2011–12 Charlton Athletic 8/1
2012–13 Doncaster 14/1
2013-14 Wolves 4/1 FAVOURITE
2014-15 Bristol City 8/1
2015-16 Wigan 7/1

ONLY 1 FAVOURITE IN 17 SEASONS, WOLVES IN 2014-15 - SHEFFIELD UNITED MUST BE A MASSIVE Lay AGAIN!!!

13 OF THE WINNERS WERE PRICED BETWEEN 6/1 AND 20/1 (76.5%), with 3 rags also winning at 33/1, 50/1 and 66/1.

ONLY 1 PROMOTED TEAM HAS WON THE DIVISION THE SEASON FOLLOWING PROMOTION - Brighton 2001-02.

ONLY 4 RELEGATED TEAMS HAVE WON THE DIVISION THE SEASON FOLLOWING RELEGATION - Norwich 2009-10, Doncaster 2012-13 and Wolves 2013-14 and Wigan last season – 23.5%. Betting Bolton, Charlton and the MK Dons is a combined price of 7/2 so that represents the same odds that the statistics suggest the price should be.

Statistically, the winner is most likely to come from the 6/1 to 20/1 bracket and not be a relegated or a promoted team so that leaves us with: Peterboro, Bradford, Coventry and Millwall,


LAST 17 DIVISION TWO WINNERS WITH OPENING DAY OF SEASON ODDS

1999-00 Swansea City 8/1
2000–01 Brighton 10/1
2001–02 Plymouth 20/1
2002–03 Rushden & Diamonds 8/1
2003–04 Doncaster Rovers 33/1
2004–05 Yeovil Town 12/1
2005–06 Carlisle United 25/1
2006–07 Walsall 12/1
2007–08 Milton Keynes Dons 9/1
2008–09 Brentford 20/1
2009–10 Notts County 7/2 FAVOURITE
2010–11 Chesterfield 14/1
2011–12 Swindon Town 10/1
2012–13 Gillingham 20/1
2013-14 Chesterfield 8/1
2014-15 Burton 16/1
2015-16 Northampton 16/1

SO ONCE AGAIN, ONLY 1 WINNING FAVOURITE IN 17 SEASONS - Notts County in 2009-10 - PORTSMOUTH GO TO POST AS FAVOURITES AGAIN AND MUST BE A MASSIVE Lay (AGAIN)!!

15 OF THE 17 WINNERS WERE BETWEEN 8/1 AND 25/1 - 88.2% strike rate!!

NO RELEGATED TEAM HAS WON THE DIVISION THE SEASON FOLLOWING RELEGATION!!

NO CONFERENCE CHAMPION HAS WON THE DIVISION THE SEASON FOLLOWING PROMOTION, ALTHOUGH 2 PROMOTED TEAMS, DONCASTER ROVERS 04 AND CARLISLE 06, DID SO AFTER WINNING THE CONFERENCE PLAY-OFFS.

On the stats, the winner is most likely to come from: Luton, Cambridge, Leyton O, Plymouth, Notts Co, Wycombe and Carlisle, all 7 teams played in the division last season and are in the correct price bracket.

Therefore the three favourites, NEWCASTLE, SHEFF UTD and PORTSMOUTH, who will be the cornerstones of many of your ante-post football bets, are statistically very much up against it, and statistically should all be opposed.

However, the fact that Rafael Benitez has agreed to remain in charge of THE TOON leads me to believe that there will be a far more positive attitude and atmosphere at St James' Park this forth coming season and this will lead to them being too good at this level. Rafa turned things around in the few matches he had to work with at Newcastle and was just unfortunate that he was only 1 or 2 games short of what was needed to save them from relegation. One of the 3 favourites that won in the 3 by 17 sample was Notts County in 2009-10, the Manager then was Sven, quality leadership is a must!

On that basis I will go against the stats on this occasion and will not be laying THE TOON, but certainly WILL be laying Sheff Utd and Portsmouth.


Good Luck With Your Picks

madmax72

fuzzydunlop85 wrote:

Will probably do a couple more as the season draws closer, anyone know when the racing post pullout is out?

Racing post pull out in today's paper

fuzzydunlop85

madmax72 wrote: »

Racing post pull out in today's paper

Cheers, will grab it later and post up a quick run down for anyone that missed it.

Loafing Oaf

Guy ahead of me in Easons was buying it, would have myself if I had been a bit sharper.

Thoughts on Milwall 11/1 for League 1? Always think those sort of odds for second favourite in any market must be value...

fuzzydunlop85

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Guy ahead of me in Easons was buying it, would have myself if I had been a bit sharper.

Thoughts on Milwall 11/1 for League 1? Always think those sort of odds for second favourite in any market must be value...

Especially when favorites are perrenial underachievers sheff united. Millwall tipped up in the post pull out today.

Lass would lyon be a cert for a top 3 finish @ 1/2 ?

fuzzydunlop85

Looking at a few short price certs to hopefully get me back out to Thailand next summer

Palace bottom half finish 2/9
Juve o/r 4/11
Aberdeen w/o old firm 8/13
Lyon top 3 1/2
Millwall top 6 6/5
Norwich top 6 5/6
Bayern Lev top 4 4/6

75 pays back 2000. Anyone any thoughts? Millwall only one I'm only really worried about. Or if anyone can spot a short priced 'cert' in any league let me know. Thanks.

9de5q7tsr8u2im

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

Especially when favorites are perrenial underachievers sheff united. Millwall tipped up in the post pull out today.

Lass would lyon be a cert for a top 3 finish @ 1/2 ?

Psg, monaco, lyon top 3 i would be very very suprised if this doesnt come in!!

Loafing Oaf

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

Looking at a few short price certs to hopefully get me back out to Thailand next summer

Palace bottom half finish 2/9
Juve o/r 4/11
Aberdeen w/o old firm 8/13
Lyon top 3 1/2
Millwall top 6 6/5
Norwich top 6 5/6
Bayern Lev top 4 4/6

75 pays back 2000. Anyone any thoughts? Millwall only one I'm only really worried about. Or if anyone can spot a short priced 'cert' in any league let me know. Thanks.

Maybe I shouldn't be backing them to win the thing then.:P Everton to finsh top half round 1/2 looks pretty watertight, given their new manager...

Btw Daryl Murphy 80/1 with Coral to be top Championship scorer looks like a great e/w punt.

fuzzydunlop85

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Maybe I shouldn't be backing them to win the thing then.:P Everton to finsh top half round 1/2 looks pretty watertight, given their new manager...

Btw Daryl Murphy 80/1 with Coral to be top Championship scorer looks like a great e/w punt.

TBH I'm only not sure about it because I don't follow League 1 too closely and its a pretty volatile league, but seen a fair few tipping them up so would have to have a pretty good chance of getting top 6.

Everton should get top 10 alright but couldn't back them at that price.

inforfun

inforfun wrote: »

Take away that 7 losses in a row and they would have been champions.... Not realistic that should have been 7 wins though as there was Ajax and PSV included in that "run"
But without that freak run they would have been 5 points behind.
With no one leaving and having bought Jorgensen from Copenhagen, who has made a very good impression so far and still looking for a right winger things will be a lot closer.
Once they have that rw sorted, they are definitely worth a punt.

And since they took Frank Berghuis on loan from Watford, rw is sorted.

mailburner

was looking to do one big double with newcastle and some other team but after seeing those stats I am kinda worried

I'm not going to thailand but like the look of that bet also assuming gregory stays with millwall

Loafing Oaf

Coral offering 14/1 on Celtic, Newcastle and Man City all to win their leagues. I'm not as sold on Newcastle as some people buy you have to take that surely?

Warper

Done a treble

of Barca CL 7-2, Juve Seria A 1-2 and Derby promoted 10-3

Around 28-1

Juve are a shoo in for Seria A, even last year when they had an awful first ten games they still won easy. Now they have taken their rivals best players in Higuain and Pjanic they are even stronger even without Pogba

Barca couldnt sign players last year so they have added depth to their sqaud mainly in defence which was needed so they are obv favs

Derby were favs last year and now have a proven manager in Pearson

madmax72

Three bets for me
Norwich,millwall and Plymouth all to be promoted works out at 50/1

Hull,Burton,bury to be relegated.juve to win serie a and Barcelona to win la liga about 27/1 for the accum

R.Mccormack and L.Gregory top goalscorers ew double at 12/1 and 8/1

Gla

CorkColin

Just had a go off one there:

Man city Top 4
Newcastle Promoted
Monaco Top 3
Barcelona Winner La Liga
Bayern Munich Winner Bundesliga
Juventas winner Serie A

€50 @ 10/1 Betfair

fermanagh_man

Dwight Gayle
Nicky Ajose

Top goal scorers for championship and L1

89/1 double

Loafing Oaf

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Coral offering 14/1 on Celtic, Newcastle and Man City all to win their leagues. I'm not as sold on Newcastle as some people buy you have to take that surely?

So gone with this, Derby and Charlton to win their leagues. Daryl Murphy and Naki Wells championship top scorer and St Johnstone top in Scotland apart from Celtic/rangers. God that's a fair bit blown and I haven't started on the prem yet.

Btw saw one of the tips sites backing Newcastle to go unbeaten all season, glad I didn't take up that one...

fuzzydunlop85

Palace bottom half finish 2/9
Juve o/r 4/11
Aberdeen w/o old firm 8/13
Lyon top 3 1/2
Millwall top 6 6/5
Norwich top 6 5/6
Bayern Lev top 4 4/6
Feyenord top 4 1/4

£75 Acca= £2545

And the above with Donny top 7 league 2 8/11 20£ = £1175

Went with that for a finish, gl all.

9de5q7tsr8u2im

Some serious looking slips lads, can see many winners here!!

inforfun

Pocket change as it works out @66

Not committing to anything else till september 1st, when transfer window finishes.

Starscream25

So I went for 2 season bets

Juve to win
Bayern Leverkusen top 4
Lyon top 3
Norwich top 6
Aberdeen without Celtic/Rangers
Crystal palace bottom half
Germany to win euro group
100 euro at 12/1

Juve to win
Bayern to win
Aguero tgs
Monaco top 3
Rangers without Celtic
Newcastle to be promoted
Germany, England, Belgium to win euro groups.
100 euro at 65/1

Thanks lads for highlighting some of these teams, they are definitly in for a shout for success. Good luck all.

fuzzydunlop85

Selena Prehistoric Riverside wrote: »

Some serious looking slips lads, can see many winners here!!

Hopefully so! Have been 1 away from big scores the last 2 seasons, third time lucky I hope. What you go for in the end?

fuzzydunlop85

Starscream25 wrote: »

So I went for 2 season bets

Juve to win
Bayern Leverkusen top 4
Lyon top 3
Norwich top 6
Aberdeen without Celtic/Rangers
Crystal palace bottom half
Germany to win euro group
100 euro at 12/1

Juve to win
Bayern to win
Aguero tgs
Monaco top 3
Rangers without Celtic
Newcastle to be promoted
Germany, England, Belgium to win euro groups.
100 euro at 65/1

Thanks lads for highlighting some of these teams, they are definitly in for a shout for success. Good luck all.

Best of luck, we have very similar looking bets hopefully we laughing at the end of the season!

IrishIrish

Juventus To win League
Norwich Top 6
Hull Relegated
Monaco Top 3
Dortmund W/O Bayern
Laganes Relegated
Milwall Top 6.

€100 @ 37/1

Shanotheslayer

Jaysus lads some of you put some serious amount of cash down on high end shots :pac:

Can only imagine what your stakes are like for Singles

Starscream25

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Jaysus lads some of you put some serious amount of cash down on high end shots :pac:

Can only imagine what your stakes are like for Singles

I rarely do single bets anymore and see my season accumulator as my annual treat in the world of gambling. I came very close last year so I'm gonna keep the tradition going

fuzzydunlop85

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Jaysus lads some of you put some serious amount of cash down on high end shots :pac:

Can only imagine what your stakes are like for Singles

Treat myself to a couple of decent bets at the start of every season, think its easier to click a big one over the whole season rather than a weekend acca(doesn't stop me trying though:) ). Also keeps an interest in a few leagues over the season.

IrishIrish

Starscream25 wrote: »

I rarely do single bets anymore and see my season accumulator as my annual treat in the world of gambling. I came very close last year so I'm gonna keep the tradition going

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

Treat myself to a couple of decent bets at the start of every season, think its easier to click a big one over the whole season rather than a weekend acca(doesn't stop me trying though:) ). Also keeps an interest in a few leagues over the season.

Pretty much the same as these guys. I like a decent size bet at the start of season to give me some interest in a number of different leagues.

scouttio

Lyon top 3 1.5
Derby top 6 1.90
Southampton top 10 1.6
Juventus outright 1.36

15 returns 94

and then a long shot one
Newcastle outright 3
Man City outright 3.25
Juve champs league 13
Lyon outright 13 PSG have to lose out on a title sometime



Also De Bruyne Player of the year 11.00