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What beer are we drinking this week? Episode 3
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I don't think this is true.
And this is very untrue. Plenty of German drinkers were doubtless quite happy with the high-quality beers they had locally but which were driven out of existence by the Reinheitsgebot because the ingredients were seen as improper.
By "poorly brewed" do you just mean you don't like it? I mean, I've drank Franconian lager that was lousy with diacetyl -- objectively poorly brewed -- but I wouldn't question the correctness of calling it beer.
I don't think it's a "we" situation. People who like it will; people who don't won't. Personally I'm in favour of choice. I spent long enough as a beer drinker in Ireland where choice was very thin on the ground. I don't expect every beer to suit me. As a writer, that's part of the fun.
I guess they see that line as being in a different place from where you see it.
Ah here, this just started about a simple point about the concept of brewers brewing any old crap and selling it as beer. I don't want this to derail the thread, and i have lot of respect for both your opinion and your blog - I think its one its the best sources of beer reviews out there and you know your stuff, but saying something is true or untrue is a little heavy handed. I was just basing it on what I'd read recently from a couple of books, one being 'Prost: the Story of German Beer' by Horst Dornbusch, and another being 'Beer in the Middle Ages and the Renaissance' by Richard W. Unger, both of which reference a lot of primary sources and edicts of the day, and not just in Bavaria, but in the Low Countries and England as well.
It becomes a little more difficult to understand why decisions were made to regulate beer, but there are cases of both it being a case to line noble's pockets and also of local citizens decrying the quality of local beer to town councils, who took the view that regulating beer ingredients was a public health issue, particularity when ale was the only option over water in an environment rife with plague and famine. All of these reasons led to the offically recognized Reinheitsgebot, that existed in many forms at a local level beforehand, for many years, so where do you draw the line? I'm not an authority just because I read a couple of books, but what I said was definitely not incorrect. Categorically stating something is definitely true or untrue flies in the face of historical research.
Of course I don't speak for everybody, and I also agree with choice, so please forgive my use of 'we'. Choosing poor ingredients that don't work together in beer is as much poor brewing just as fermenting at a wrong temperature with knackered yeast or using old hops is.For example dumping mint syrup into an already overly thin stout and selling it is poor brewing in my opinion. Everyone makes mistakes in brewing but this series of cans seems more like a cynical cash in on a trend rather than making anything lastingly respectable. I don't get it at all, because other beers produced by that brewery are wonderful.
And you're definitely right, I do personally see that line as different, and if people want to drink who am I am I to discourage them? I remember choice being thin on the ground too, and I love the choice we have now.
Also, what was the Franconian lager out of interest?
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I strongly recommend, for entertainment value alone, having a look at some of what Ron Pattinson has written on the subject of Horst Dornbusch. linky linky linky. One doesn't get to cite Horst and then accuse someone else of flying in the face of historical research
I think the brewers in question might disagree with you about what they're doing.the concept of brewers brewing any old crap and selling it as beer.
Achhörnla's in Forchheim was the one I was thinking of, but Klosterbräu and Ambräusianum in Bamberg both served me awful beer. Klosterbräu was famous for it, apparently.what was the Franconian lager out of interest?0 -
Hah this is great! Always good to know what you're reading, and I've yet to find anything Ron Pattinson, who is so well regarded, has written that I've felt was a bit off. I almost take everything he says as gospel. Still tho, some of the sources in question, if they are primary or taken directly from primary, like edicts and council records, are hard to argue with. Personally I wouldn't write off all of someone's research based on that, but I sure as hell will be more wary, so cheers! I really hope I didn't offend you, that wasn't my intention at all, it was more just I was coming from the angle that when research is so multi-faceted and sources so varied across political and social landscapes that are unrecognisable to today, its sometimes easier to focus on what facts are correct or incorrect based on a primary source rather than what general observations are true or untrue, if you know what I mean. The guy Unger's book is a hard slog, more like intense academic research on the history of brewing, but definitely an impressive bibliography and sources. I'm thinking now he's probably come out with some clangers too tho hah!I think the brewers in question might disagree with you about what they're doing.
Thats good though. It's good to disagree! and also good to give feedback. if they see it as experimentation and development that's cool, and I recognise its a tough market, especially now to find a gap in, and its very competitive. I think Kinnegar's 'Brewers at Play' model just seems more forthright about what they're doing and why they're doing it and is infinitely more respectable, in my opinion, than just churning out green stuff for Paddy's Day.Achhörnla's in Forchheim was the one I was thinking of, but Klosterbräu and Ambräusianum in Bamberg both served me awful beer. Klosterbräu was famous for it, apparently.
I had some beer from Amsterdam recently, 'Hertog Jan. Their 'tripel' was so dire i had to dump it, and nothing like what I would expect of a good tripel. I've never dumped before. Always slogged through it. woeful.0 -
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AB InBev. Not known for their excellence in tripelI had some beer from Amsterdam recently, 'Hertog Jan. Their 'tripel' was so dire i had to dump it, and nothing like what I would expect of a good tripel. I've never dumped before. Always slogged through it. woeful.
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The Inbetween is mine wrote: »If you're in Kerry.. you're in luck,
Bit outside the 5k but sure I could class it as essential?!
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