Star Trek: Discovery - Pre-release discussion [** NO SPOILERS **]

Goodshape

flaneur wrote: »

like the really, really annoying Tilly person.

Oi, you leave that Tilly person out of this. Love Tilly . Tilly for Captain (one day (she hopes))!

Great post otherwise ;-)

flaneur

Maybe she’s janeway’s great, great, great, great grandmother!!

pixelburp

Goodshape wrote: »

Oi, you leave that Tilly person out of this. Love Tilly . Tilly for Captain (one day (she hopes))!

Great post otherwise ;-)

Yeah I don't get the Tilly hate. She's bubbly, enthusiastic, optimistic; practically a walking example of the Federation. I bet she even loves root beer!

I only hope she doesn't exist as an excuse for the writers to 'punish' the utopian purity of the Federation. Lorca might be the ragged edge of it all, but to me it's clear Tilly is the emotional heart & arguably most at risk of scriptwriting sadism if that's ab avenue the writers intend taking...

flaneur

They'd want to be a little careful as they could end up accidentally making something that isn't Star Trek at all.

One of the things that's annoying me is the science is a lot more waffly magic than TNG where it looks like the script writers made an effort to make the tech at least vaguely based on science. The spore drive is very poorly explained and a bit too far fetched, even by sci fi standards.

Optimus Prime

My feeling is that she is going to be the catalyst for Michaels

second mutiny

, as a result of some action the captain takes she is going to get killed. They are setting her up as a red shirt! haha :pac:

Put a spoiler post around that just in case someone hasnt seen the first two eps.

PhiloCypher

flaneur wrote: »

They'd want to be a little careful as they could end up accidentally making something that isn't Star Trek at all.

One of the things that's annoying me is the science is a lot more waffly magic than TNG where it looks like the script writers made an effort to make the tech at least vaguely based on science. The spore drive is very poorly explained and a bit too far fetched, even by sci fi standards.

I know it's something to do with quantum entanglement and that's good enough for me. We've had 700 episodes of Geordi/O'Brien/Belanna/Trip rerouting things through the phase plasma inducers to create a feedback loop through the blah blah blah . I for one am glad that they aren't over explaining stuff(so far) because the above example of technobabble so prevelant in Trek since TNG is IMO as nonsensical, as "waffly magic" as you put it, as Stamets explanation of the Spore drive.

De Bhál

I find the theme tune is very similar to the House Of Cards theme tune.

pixelburp

flaneur wrote: »

They'd want to be a little careful as they could end up accidentally making something that isn't Star Trek at all.

One of the things that's annoying me is the science is a lot more waffly magic than TNG where it looks like the script writers made an effort to make the tech at least vaguely based on science. The spore drive is very poorly explained and a bit too far fetched, even by sci fi standards.

Ah now, that's a myth; just because the writers occasionally threw in a reference to a modern day scientist with their Heisenberg compensators et al, doesn't conflate Trek with so-called 'hard' science fiction. The technobabble was waffle of the highest order, and no doubt had anyone the time or inclination, probably frequent contradicted itself with the number of conflicting uses of plasma coils or phase couplers.

Maybe the fact the TNG 'science' was always inherently mechanical in its structure kept in the realms of believability - IIRC organic based technology was few and far between - but while the spore driver is a bit on the fantastical side, is no less fictitious than the nonsense passed off as 'science' in 80s/90s Trek.

MrJones1973

pixelburp wrote: »

Only if you're seeking a mob (though not sure what you mean by 'creating' boxes), but every other iteration of Trek sought representation through its casting, so why fret about this one? Absolutely nothing was made of Stamets and the doc being a couple in the script, so ... *shrug* I wouldn't worry about it too much

What I meant is that in the 1960s they were way ahead of their time. Russians ,African Americans and Asians. Putting gay characters seems a bit cliched now.In the real world about 10% of people are gay but in fictional lands it's about 20%. You can't have a fictional workplace without them while in real life it's quite normal. But I'm only making an observation. It ain't that important .

CramCycle

De Bh105007504 wrote:

I find the theme tune is very similar to the House Of Cards theme tune.

Listen to the Fringe theme and then listen to it again, IMO, blatent rip off, although I can see why people would also think of HoC, I think Fringe is far closer.

De Bhál

CramCycle wrote: »

Listen to the Fringe theme and then listen to it again, IMO, blatent rip off, although I can see why people would also think of HoC, I think Fringe is far closer.

Ok, yeah they're similar also.

AtomicHorror

flaneur wrote: »

They'd want to be a little careful as they could end up accidentally making something that isn't Star Trek at all.

One of the things that's annoying me is the science is a lot more waffly magic than TNG where it looks like the script writers made an effort to make the tech at least vaguely based on science. The spore drive is very poorly explained and a bit too far fetched, even by sci fi standards.

I'm a biologist. TNG and the like used to annoy me regularly. Discovery hasn't done so yet.

The mention of HGT and tardigrades was the closest thing to my field they've mentioned and it didn't break my suspension of disbelief.

I think they're doing far better than the days of turning the crew into random animals "because devolution".

jcd5971

CramCycle wrote:

Listen to the Fringe theme and then listen to it again, IMO, blatent rip off, although I can see why people would also think of HoC, I think Fringe is far closer.

I miss fringe greatly...

The_Valeyard

Eh, the purpose of this thread obsolete?

OldMrBrennan83

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AtomicHorror

Patww79 wrote: »

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Reminded me most of The Night Manager.

MrJones1973

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Reminded me most of The Night Manager.

The introduction is bad. Title wise . I liked the song for enterprise as it captured that point in trek/human history and was something new. Music wise it's unremarkable pretty much like all post generation TV series music bar enterprise

CramCycle

Mrwhite1970 wrote: »

The introduction is bad. Title wise . I liked the song for enterprise as it captured that point in trek/human history and was something new. Music wise it's unremarkable pretty much like all post generation TV series music bar enterprise

Enterprise annoyed the hell outta me and many others. A better score, which would have stood the test of time better and yet achieve what you mention could not have been to great an ask. Not a fan of this intro either, as it isn't (to me) even close to a trek intro, but then neither was Enterprise. It is OK as a random TV show intro though, and still, IMO, better than Enterprise.

MrJones1973

I got faith in the heart!

CramCycle

Mrwhite1970 wrote: »

I got faith in the heart!

That line has now been stuck, on repeat, in my head since last night, thanks a lot :pac:

jcd5971

CramCycle wrote:

That line has now been stuck, on repeat, in my head since last night, thanks a lot

Such a terrible terrible Intro.
I reckon it's part of why I disliked the show that's how bad it was.

OldMrBrennan83

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Slydice

sounds promising
https://twitter.com/karterhol/status/922141764894388224

jcd5971

Slydice wrote:

sounds promising

That was the episode that really sold me on trek. Moved from watch sometimes to highlight of the week as a young fella.

pixelburp

Mrwhite1970 wrote: »

The introduction is bad. Title wise . I liked the song for enterprise as it captured that point in trek/human history and was something new. Music wise it's unremarkable pretty much like all post generation TV series music bar enterprise

I think the music is a little lacking but the actual titles IMO are excellent; vibrant and curioisly alien - and more aesthetically interesting than generic cosmic vistas. Dunno who made them but they do ape the style of Elastic''s work, which is very 'in' at the moment.

As for enterprises own? Oof. Each to their own n all, but that theme tune felt like a soft rock eurovision reject; schmaltzy and horribly dated. I don't think it alone doomed enterprise, but as first impressions go it was a constant reminder that the engine was already stalling at this point.

jcd5971

what time does the new episode go live is it midnight here?

Slydice

jcd5971 wrote: »

what time does the new episode go live is it midnight here?

I've not seen any of the episodes until the following evening. I think they come in around 07:00 or 08:00 in the morning.

FutureGuy

Star Trek Discoverey renewed for Season 2!!!

hal9550

FutureGuy wrote: »

Star Trek Discoverey renewed for Season 2!!!

BOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace and long life!!!! (Although enjoying war just as much it seems!!!:pac:)

brainfreeze

Slydice wrote: »

sounds promising
https://twitter.com/karterhol/status/922141764894388224

Possibly my most hated Star Trek episode. Simply because it's quoted so much, and by design, incredibly repetitive.

That and the one with Picard playing a flute in the turbo-shafts.