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    #32
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,222 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    deiseindublin wrote: »
    Got letter from ETB this morn with a form to complete if I'm TUI. Anybody else?

    I'm not quite sure I understand what this is about.
    It is none of the business of the employer whether you are in the Union or not.
    Did they clarify why they want to know this information about you?


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    #33
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    spurious wrote: »
    I'm not quite sure I understand what this is about.
    It is none of the business of the employer whether you are in the Union or not.
    Did they clarify why they want to know this information about you?

    Because the dept circular is not giving the S and S payment to ASTI and are freezing their increments. If you are in a mixed school and TUI the same penalties will apply if you do not declare that you are TUI. Awful scenario


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    #34
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,222 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    Because the dept circular is not giving the S and S payment to ASTI and are freezing their increments. If you are in a mixed school and TUI the same penalties will apply if you do not declare that you are TUI. Awful scenario


    So if everyone says 'None of your business' the official side will have to think again what to do.
    They cannot use DAS information due to Data Protection.


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    #35
    r93kaey5p2izun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    spurious wrote: »
    So if everyone says 'None of your business' the official side will have to think again what to do.
    They cannot use DAS information due to Data Protection.

    I suppose then TUI members in mixed union schools would have to carry out LRA duties (or leave themselves without union protection at all) but incur FEMPI penalties at the same time. It doesn't affect those in single union schools. I'd say DES would be only delighted to allow that play out.


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    #36
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users Posts: 15,382 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    spurious wrote: »
    So if everyone says 'None of your business' the official side will have to think again what to do.
    They cannot use DAS information due to Data Protection.

    It's a bit more complex than that. Some schools in ETBs are considered TUI schools as that's all they've ever had. The circular lays out the terms of the different schools. Designated community colleges typically have both unions due to their formation from an amalgamation.

    Also TUI have accepted LRA so I don't see the executive committee recommending a rejection of the form any time soon


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    #37
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,222 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    You would think with all the subscriptions the Unions would be able to hire one legal eagle to blow this rubbish out of the water.

    Has someone checked the constitutionality of all this horse manure?

    So glad I legged it when I did, despite the quartering of income.


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    #38
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    If you volunteer the info yourself then it's probably all legal!


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    #39
    theoldbreed
    Registered Users Posts: 405 ✭✭theoldbreed


    How long are increments for asti members frozen? There's so much information going around it's very confusing.


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    #40
    r93kaey5p2izun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    theoldbreed wrote: »
    How long are increments for asti members frozen? There's so much information going around it's very confusing.

    Two years until 30th June 2018.


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    #41
    liverpool lad
    Registered Users Posts: 181 ✭✭liverpool lad


    I'm a newly qualified teacher and beginning my first year on an RPT contract this year. Have been very lucky to get RPT contract with very decent hours straight away. The school however is an Asti school (all teachers are members) but I've just read about the LRA and the fact that NQTs won't benefit from the the Ward Report about CID after a shorter period (I.e. 2 years) if Asti don't sign up. I'm just wondering if you all think, maybe from experience, this is simply a threat or will they continue with the cuts and prevention of getting a CID after two years as claimed? Bit worried and although I am not signed up to the Asti I think I will have to with the entire staff a member of the Union


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    #42
    TheDriver
    Registered Users Posts: 12,518 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    Yes they will enforce it here until a deal is done and it will be backdated. Of course there may be no deal done either.


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    #43
    doc_17
    Registered Users Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭doc_17


    I'd say a deal will be done by the end of the school year. The adept can't let it go on too long where students in some schools are doing a different assessment than others.

    I do think the JC will be decided at the same time as the new entrants pay scales. Maybe not as part of the same deal but definitely as part of a cooling of tensions.


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    #44
    clunked
    Registered Users Posts: 369 ✭✭clunked


    I see that the so so-called paper of record has been lapping up propaganda from their buddies in the Department again. No evidence of their educational correspondent talking to actual teachers http://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/non-union-teachers-face-penalties-due-to-industrial-row-1.2744308. From what I hear, the department are being particularly intransigent in talks currently.


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    #45
    km79
    Registered Users Posts: 48,247 ✭✭✭✭km79


    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-and-teachers-who-wont-sign-lansdowne-deal-hit-by-freeze-in-increments-34931020.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter&utm_term=Autofeed#link_time=1470178915

    Not doing Croke park hours leads to school closures now apparently !


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    #46
    clunked
    Registered Users Posts: 369 ✭✭clunked


    The level of institutional laziness from Irish newspaper journalists is something to behold. No wonder the levels of corruption that has existed in this state has been allowed to happen when there is an eagerness in newsrooms to accept any amount of lies and spin coming from official channels. I presume the minister's spokesperson here is a politically appointed advisor.


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