Have you ever seen Chemtrails in Ireland?

Lesnar Defender

I was never a big believer in chemtrails especially in Ireland but after the cover up in Bray yesterday I feel it is likely that the event was used to spray aluminium and barium into the air. The smoke from the fire seems too convenient.

Does anyone have any proof of this? A message would be appreciated.

Thanks.

ScumLord

So you're accusing the red arrows of spraying chemicals over bray during the airshow?

weisses

Lesnar Defender wrote: »

The smoke from the fire seems too convenient.

I always find smoke very inconvenient

So a gorse fire changed your beliefs in regards to chemtrails ? You should visit Kerry In March and April

looksee

I gather there was a gorse fire on Bray head yesterday. What was the cover up?

But more to the point, what would be the purpose of spraying barium and aluminium?

How do you know it was barium and aluminium, why not other chemicals?

ScumLord

I thought the whole point of chemtrails was that they deposit stuff in the upper atmosphere? Smoke from a fire on the ground wouldn't do that.

looksee

Well, nor would the Red Arrows, in a demonstration. I still want to know why this would be done?

Tzar Chasm

I thought it was the Italians doing the aerobatics in Bray.

Barium is sometimes used in Cloud seeding, although silver salts are more common.

Aluminium foil is used in military applications as a radar jamming/screening tool.

Both are quite reasonable reasons to 'spray' things from planes, although there may be Some slight risk to public health from these activities, current information seems to suggest that the process is safe at current levels of implementation.

But we dont do either of these things Ireland, so, no I havent seen any

Maudi

All the time..we are gassed here all the time..
And ive spotted them on "top gear" and they are for some bizarre reason added to the wimbledon credits

Jimmy Garlic

Chemtrails? Dunno. One thing is for sure jet contrails are not what the used to be 20+ years ago. I don't remember them lingering and expanding like they do now. You saw a trail that disappeared soon after the aircraft passed over.

endacl

Lesnar Defender wrote: »

Does anyone have any proof of this?

Thanks.

No.

You're welcome.

ScumLord

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Chemtrails? Dunno. One thing is for sure jet contrails are not what the used to be 20+ years ago. I don't remember them lingering and expanding like they do now. You saw a trail that disappeared soon after the aircraft passed over.

Maybe you just weren't paying attention to contrails back then. Because there's plenty of pictures and videos of them going back to propeller planes. The physics haven't changed either.

Lol, I just found this website in my search. http://contrailscience.com/contrail-photos-through-history/

topmanamillion

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Chemtrails? Dunno. One thing is for sure jet contrails are not what the used to be 20+ years ago. I don't remember them lingering and expanding like they do now. You saw a trail that disappeared soon after the aircraft passed over.

Chances of plane aerodynamics, fuel consumption & other factors changing in 20 years?
High, I would think.

King Mob

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Chemtrails? Dunno. One thing is for sure jet contrails are not what the used to be 20+ years ago. I don't remember them lingering and expanding like they do now. You saw a trail that disappeared soon after the aircraft passed over.

How long do normal contrails last and what prevents them from spreading out? What research or evidence do you use to reach this conclusion?
At what point in the previous 20 years did chemtrails begin?

Your vague, anecdotal statement is not particularly convincing the vast, impossible conspiracy you are suggesting...

King Mob

Lesnar Defender wrote: »

I was never a big believer in chemtrails especially in Ireland but after the cover up in Bray yesterday I feel it is likely that the event was used to spray aluminium and barium into the air. The smoke from the fire seems too convenient.

Why do you feel that they sprayed aluminium and barium into the air? Why specifically at the Bray Air Show?

endacl

topmanamillion wrote: »

Chances of plane aerodynamics, fuel consumption & other factors changing in 20 years?
High, I would think.

Aerodynamics are physical parameters. They don't change. Neither has the commercial fleet or the means of propulsion. A Boeing 777 is, aerodynamically speaking, pretty much a big 767. Which is a big 747. Which has been in service since 1968. Which is a lot longer than 20 years.

topmanamillion

endacl wrote: »

Aerodynamics are physical parameters. They don't change. Neither has the commercial fleet or the means of propulsion. A Boeing 777 is, aerodynamically speaking, pretty much a big 767. Which is a big 747. Which has been in service since 1968. Which is a lot longer than 20 years.

Of course aerodynamics change. There are people called aeronautical engineers and it's their job to come up with more aerodynamic designs. If what you said was true, flight wouldn't have moved on from the Wright brothers wooden aircraft.

endacl

topmanamillion wrote: »

Of course aerodynamics change. There are people called aeronautical engineers and it's their job to come up with more aerodynamic designs. If what you said was true, flight wouldn't have moved on from the Wright brothers wooden aircraft.

Aerodynamic parameters don't change. Engineers' understanding of, and response to, these parameters do. They haven't radically altered their approach in the commercial world in the last 20 years. In the military sphere they're actually going in the other direction, with optimal aerodynamics being slightly compromised in the interests of improved radar invisibility.

You may be thinking of F1 cars...

Grayson

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Chemtrails? Dunno. One thing is for sure jet contrails are not what the used to be 20+ years ago. I don't remember them lingering and expanding like they do now. You saw a trail that disappeared soon after the aircraft passed over.

As a child I used to lie on my back on the grass in the garden and watching them dissipate. The exact same way they do now.

Maybe you should just pay attention.

smurfjed

A Boeing 777 is, aerodynamically speaking, pretty much a big 767. Which is a big 747

Its smaller than a B747.

The next time that you climb onboard a B777, try to get into the cockpit after landing, some airlines have this switch but are very reluctant to allow anyone access the cockpit.

looksee

Goodness, how very strange that the word chemtrails is in not only a condensed type face, but a completely different one...now you could really work up a conspiracy theory about that

smurfjed

Thats because its a post production STC, and wasn't installed in Seattle

deaddonkey15

endacl wrote: »

Aerodynamic parameters don't change. Engineers' understanding of, and response to, these parameters do. They haven't radically altered their approach in the commercial world in the last 20 years. In the military sphere they're actually going in the other direction, with optimal aerodynamics being slightly compromised in the interests of improved radar invisibility.

You may be thinking of F1 cars...

A lot of aircraft today fly higher and faster than 20 years ago, so in that respect the parameters would change although not by much. I wouldn't think it would have any effect on contrails though. Of course this whole chemtrail nonsense is absolute boll*cks of the highest order anyway.

HardenendMan

I just can't understand how this topic is given the light of day.

There are so so many unlikely elements that need to happen for it to be true:

A cover up by thousands of ordinary men and women working in the industry. You can't trick a jet engine into processing any old chemical without performance issues, nor can you hide the necessary components from the very people that draw the designs.

Enda Kenny / whoever organises it to be absolute psychos.

Those mentioned above need a motive.

The perpetrators also need an antidote to protect themselves.

I could list a lot more.

Multiply those unlikely probabilities together and you have a miracle. Best of luck in wasting energy on it!

pfurey101

Its a pity that some people just don't get the fact that hot water vapour exhaust mixed with cold air produce ice particles. These ice particles stay visible longer depending on the outside air pressure and wind speed at altitude. It really is that simple folks.

I have been involved in aviation continuosly since 1972 and worked in aircraft maintenance for 31 years. The contrail build and durability process has always been the same since piston propellor (pre turboprop) aircraft starting hitting the right altitudes. I can even predict when aircraft will and will not trail, based on atmospheric conditions...:D The only thing different between then and now is there are a lot more aircraft in the skies.

Oh I have never ever ever come across a Chemtrail Control Unit (or switch) ever in any of the parts catalogues, overhaul manuals, modification cards, service bulletins, aircraft directives, maintenance logs, wiring manuals, engineering drawings or repair manuals.

Sorry folks!

p.s. don't call me one of "them"

cml387

smurfjed wrote: »

Thats because its a post production STC, and wasn't installed in Seattle

Is it an MEL item?

eoinzy2000

Chemtrails..... hahahahahahahaha. Its up there with the anti fluoride in water supply brigade. Idle minds and all that.

el diablo

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

Chemtrails..... hahahahahahahaha. Its up there with the anti fluoride in water supply brigade. Idle minds and all that.

The chemtrails conspiracy is a little far-fetched but it's a well known fact that flouride is a neurotoxin.

Fluoride Officially Classified as a Neurotoxin in World’s Most Prestigious Medical Journal

http://wakingscience.com/2016/02/fluoride-officially-classified-as-a-neurotoxin-in-worlds-most-prestigious-medical-journal/

eoinzy2000

Celery - Raw - 51mcg flouride
Carrots - boiled & drained, with salt - 271mcg fluoride.
Potatoes- boiled & drained, with salt - 114mcg fluoride.

eoinzy2000

Not to mentions the unbelievable, historically proven, health benefits of the introduction of fluoride to the water supplies. But no, it says 'toxin' in the description. Take to the streets people, take to the streets. Its another government control system.

eoinzy2000

There are lots of other neurotoxins that you ingest daily also. Do we need to pin point all of these?

xabi

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

Celery - Raw - 51mcg flouride
Carrots - boiled & drained, with salt - 271mcg fluoride.
Potatoes- boiled & drained, with salt - 114mcg fluoride.

Dam, I had Carrots and Spuds last night and washed them down with tap water :eek:

eoinzy2000

xabi wrote: »

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

Celery - Raw - 51mcg flouride
Carrots - boiled & drained, with salt - 271mcg fluoride.
Potatoes- boiled & drained, with salt - 114mcg fluoride.

Dam, I had Carrots and Spuds last night and washed them down with tap water :eek:

We need to mobilise. We are not just obedient income generators. TAKE THE POWER BACK

eoinzy2000

el diablo wrote: »

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

Chemtrails..... hahahahahahahaha. Its up there with the anti fluoride in water supply brigade. Idle minds and all that.

The chemtrails conspiracy is a little far-fetched but it's a well known fact that flouride is a neurotoxin.

Fluoride Officially Classified as a Neurotoxin in World s Most Prestigious Medical Journal

http://wakingscience.com/2016/02/fluoride-officially-classified-as-a-neurotoxin-in-worlds-most-prestigious-medical-journal/

The introduction of fluoride into the water supplies has to be hailed as one of the most successful and ingenious applications of science in all of history. It pretty much eradicated extensive tooth decay and ongoing human suffering over a very short period of time. Its amazing what the modern clickbait bull**** can do to completely undermine fine science. There is the argument that we have tooth pastes and other sources of fluoride that we didn't have then, which is fair enough. But people have been mobilised to such an extent that they are actively sourcing fluoride free toothpastes and comprehensively demonising fluoride, where in such small doses, causes much greater benefits than harm. Remember, there is still intense poverty in elements of society. By withdrawing fluoride to satisfy your pseudo-educated fancies, it is the weaker in society that you are exposing to more hardship.

Overheal

^ apples have cyanide in them. Is your grocer trying to kill you?

remember when everyone freaked out about potassium after Fukushima?

Tzar Chasm

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

There are lots of other neurotoxins that you ingest daily also. Do we need to pin point all of these?

The chemical composition of many food items is Fascinating, however the current Gluten free fad should be enough evidence against that discussion.

Johnboy1951

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

Celery - Raw - 51mcg flouride
Carrots - boiled & drained, with salt - 271mcg fluoride.
Potatoes- boiled & drained, with salt - 114mcg fluoride.

Ah but two of those were boiled in water laced with fluoride!

Rashers

A new photo popping up on social networks. Supposedy Angela Merkel inspecting the inside of a chemtrail tanker plane.

King Mob

Rashers wrote: »

A new photo popping up on social networks. Supposedy Angela Merkel inspecting the inside of a chemtrail tanker plane.

Nope. Inspecting the inside of a plane that's undergoing testing.
The tanks are used to simulate the weight of passengers and are filled with water that gets pumped around during flight.

Specifically it was an Airbus A350 at the 2014 Berlin Airshow.
https://www.bundeskanzlerin.de/Content/EN/Fotoreihe/2014/2014-05-20-ila_en/2014-05-20-ila.html

I like how they tried to cover up this incriminating photo by hiding it on the chancellor's official website...

pfurey101

Rashers wrote: »

A new photo popping up on social networks. Supposedy Angela Merkel inspecting the inside of a chemtrail tanker plane.

Fools believe what they want to believe and see only what fits these beliefs.

Rashers

pfurey101 wrote: »

Fools believe what they want to believe and see only what fits these beliefs.

There seems to be a lot of fools so.

Steve012

Rashers wrote: »

There seems to be a lot of fools so.

There sure are Rashers, Where I live gets sprayed a lot, even my neighbours (elderly) are saying they've never seen plane contrails doing that in there 50 to sixty years of living where I am.

Would love to know what its all about..

Rashers

Steve012 wrote: »

There sure are Rashers, Where I live gets sprayed a lot, even my neighbours (elderly) are saying they've never seen plane contrails doing that in there 50 to sixty years of living where I am.

Would love to know what its all about..

Are you saying you believe that contrails are someone unknown spraying various countries with some variously named chemicals?

Please do tell.

Steve012

Rashers wrote: »

Are you saying you believe that contrails are someone unknown spraying various countries with some variously named chemicals?

Please do tell.

In all fairness, its unusual tbh, Ive seen crisscross patterns across the sky many many times, I'm not a young man, never seen that when I was younger.

Rashers

Steve012 wrote: »

In all fairness, its unusual tbh, Ive seen crisscross patterns across the sky many many times, I'm not a young man, never seen that when I was younger.

Hardly unusual, and definitely not new. Planes fly in all directions all of the time

You can check every flight here: https://www.flightradar24.com/60,15/6 And there you can rest your cursor on any plane and you get all of the info on that flight.

Then again you will accept no doubt that so many nations have air defence systems that recognise every plane that flies in their airspace.

Contrails are not new neither..

smurfjed

@Steve012, when you were younger there were fixed airways crossing Ireland so all aircraft flew the same routes, now its free space so aircraft can fly a more direct route across the country. This has lead to the crossing tracks that you are now seeing.

pfurey101

smurfjed wrote: »

@Steve012, when you were younger there were fixed airways crossing Ireland so all aircraft flew the same routes, now its free space so aircraft can fly a more direct route across the country. This has lead to the crossing tracks that you are now seeing.

Correct! This.........and a lot more planes flying about.

The amount of flights these days ex Belfast, Scotland and Scandanavia (to the Canaries/Portugal etc) that head north/south is huge compared to even 10 years ago. And when I started in avaiation in the 70's there were a couple a day! These north/south tracks now make a lot more contrail crosses (...crosses :eek:...oh no!) in the sky.

The reason for contrails today is exactly the same as the reasons in the WW2 video above - but more direct routings and 100's more planes make it appear armageddon to those that really do need to try and understand more.

Hot water vapour + Cold air = contrail

GBX

You just have to look at Flight Radar 24 to see the increase in air traffic.

endacl

Rashers wrote: »

There seems to be a lot of fools so.

One thing we're never short of is fools.

tuxy

GBX wrote: »

You just have to look at Flight Radar 24 to see the increase in air traffic.

Any flight that shows up as no callsign is fully loaded with chem-trail gas!

pfurey101

tuxy wrote: »

Any flight that shows up as no callsign is fully loaded with chem-trail gas!

Assuming you are serious...do you want to know the real reason?

Apart from being able to see these flight numbers/registrations displayed on one or all of other apps such as PlanePlotter, PlaneFinder, 360Radar etc?

hutch792

"Chemtrails" — How They Affect You and What You Can Do youtu.be/IqATQtwOY34 ( I cant post full URL yet so you will have to fill in the rest of the link your self)