Formula 1 2016: Round 12 - German Grand Prix

**** this ****.

bnt

Rosberg says he was at full lock? Yes, but only after he'd blocked the track so that Max couldn't get past.

Ghost Train

The move from Max when braking did make Rosberg have to adjust his line on inside, silly penalty to give Rosberg

Sparks43

Adbrowne wrote: »

its going to be taken at a pit stop which could hurt him

Well spotted

Nailed on penalty there for nico. But it wont hurt him in clean air and already near the 5 secs ahead :mad:

johnnysmack

Ridiculous penalty for rosberg

Itssoeasy

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Good stuff there

It was just before this race fifteen years ago when EJ sacked H-H Frentzen by fax :eek:

Happy days being on holidays and driving my parents mad having rte 2 and the engine noise doing their heads in. :D a fax ?

Also loved playing hockenheim on the old f1 game as it was just four long straight and a few corners. Ah kids today don't know they are born.

Faugheen

Can I just say, Martin Brundle has a completely different attitude to Nico's move today than he had in Austria...

blackdog2

Halfway through the race, running 5 seconds a lap slower than qualifying... :mad:

Skihunta13

Rossberg can't catch a break. Penalised for radio messages then they lift the ban on radio messages. Pulls an overtaking manoeuvre like most others and gets penalised. In interest of fairness he should be given back that position he lost after penalised for radio message.

Jordan 199

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Happy days being on holidays and driving my parents mad having rte 2 and the engine noise doing their heads in. :D a fax ?

Also loved playing hockenheim on the old f1 game as it was just four long straight and a few corners. Ah kids today don't know they are born.

Coming in from a long straight section into the twisty stadium section before blasting down another long straight. Good times :cool:

Adbrowne

Skihunta13 wrote: »

Rossberg can't catch a break. Penalised for radio messages then they lift the ban on radio messages. Pulls an overtaking manoeuvre like most others and gets penalised. In interest of fairness he should be given back that position he lost after penalised for radio message.

Button got pinged at the last race for a radio message too. Mercedes knew what they were doing instead of pitting the car they knew a small time penalty would come their way. The radio rules seemed to stem from driver coaching at the start so maybe the ban should be from when they go on the parade lap until after the lights go out

Faugheen

Skihunta13 wrote: »

Rossberg can't catch a break. Penalised for radio messages then they lift the ban on radio messages. Pulls an overtaking manoeuvre like most others and gets penalised. In interest of fairness he should be given back that position he lost after penalised for radio message.

No, because rules were rules. Why should he be given a reprieve when everyone else was following the rules as they were at the time?

Itssoeasy

Skihunta13 wrote: »

Rossberg can't catch a break. Penalised for radio messages then they lift the ban on radio messages. Pulls an overtaking manoeuvre like most others and gets penalised. In interest of fairness he should be given back that position he lost after penalised for radio message.

I think the stewards have a perception of him in regards to overtaking and on track incidents.

bnt

If Rosberg was delivering the lap times, he could brush off the occasional penalty, but he's just not doing it. Ricciardo's radio guy already looking forward to him catching Rosberg.

Ghost Train

Team messed up Rosbergs penalty too by adding 3 sec to it

Sparks43

Hope rb flip max and dan back

Sparks43

LIGHTNING wrote: »

He has the racing line and doesn't have to pamper to the driver on the outside. Max also once again changed direction under braking, he will mark my words get taken out soon enough doing that.

Cant agree there is a corner nico must and i repeat must make a decent effort to turn.

It seemed to me max was trying to turn into the corner but eased off with the possibilty of nico spearing him

Ghost Train

It is nice to see a team putting bit of pressure on mercedes

BoJack Horseman

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Also loved playing hockenheim on the old f1 game as it was just four long straight and a few corners. Ah kids today don't know they are born.

F1 on the Nintendo 64.
Jacques Villeneuve would give imge rights for the game.

Played Hockenheim the most.
Biblically long straights interrupted by the odd chicane.

flazio

How would DRS have worked on the old track?

Itssoeasy

flazio wrote: »

How would DRS have worked on the old track?

Drs on the old straights. It'd be a pisstake.

Harika

flazio wrote: »

How would DRS have worked on the old track?

Very bad as you would already use very little wing, see Monza. So maybe one zone only before entering the stadium.

Sparks43

LIGHTNING wrote: »

And Rosberg made the corner without running off the track or even using the kerbs. Two ex-F1 drivers on the commentary agreed it wasn't worth a penalty. You want to run around the outside of a car at a hairpin you can be expected to be given very little room.

I see your point but for me nico didnt leave a cars width on the outside. Where on earth was max supposed to go

Even though earlier a said it was a nailed on penalty i mean it as the way the rules are now. Doesnt mean i like it f1 these days is full of babys and stewards with napoleon complexes. Really miss the days when men were men and stewards were drunk

blackdog2

flazio wrote: »

How would DRS have worked on the old track?

Last one into the Stadium and start finish straight?

Given how little wing they ran it probably wouldn't have made much difference over a good run out of a chicane + slipstream anyway.

I wonder with engine and fuel rules the way they are how people would have run. Far more interesting than the current conserve everything and 20+ cars finishing a race that we have now in any case

bnt

LIGHTNING wrote: »

... Two ex-F1 drivers on the commentary agreed it wasn't worth a penalty ...

and one of the stewards is a two-time world champion: Emerson Fittipaldi. If we're going to compare credentials ... :P

Itssoeasy

It's a bad sign when the commentators are talking about the black clouds in the distance.

Itssoeasy

Rain in the next five minutes.

You can see Nico's point of view, though. In his mind, Verstappen changed direction under braking, and he had to readjust as well. This made him have to miss the apex, but he took the corner without running off.

They both technically did something that could have been penalised.

Ghost Train

Lots of rain please

Itssoeasy

Ghost Train wrote: »

Lots of rain please

It's got to the point where the lads on sky are praying for it.

Harika

Did Rosberg get so excited when Max twitched that he accelerated, or stopped turning/breaking?

Sparks43

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Max had a choice back off and turn in early and try the undercut (which a number of drivers have done) or take the risk of going round the outside.

Ill agree to disagree here but will say this nico in a f1 race in the 70s/80s would be chewed up and spat out. Max has a set of lovespuds and would have fitted in for a while until he ended up in a massive smash

blackdog2

Is it just me or are blue flags being ignored in a big way?

Is it still pass three and you get a penalty?

flazio

Don't think the rain is going to make a difference.

skipper_G

That was some nice racing between Checo & Alonso

BoJack Horseman

Two races in a row decided within the first 5 seconds.

blackdog2

Checo should be penalised for forcing Alonso off the track. Consistency and all....

Brian CivilEng

Championship pretty much over then.

Shocking from the stewards this season, Verstappen has joined Hamilton in the different rule book division.

Wish that someone could challenge Hamilton, this is getting boring. What the hell had happened to Ferrari?

flazio

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Two races in a row decided within the first 5 seconds.

There's far more to a Grand Prix then who finishes first.

RobertKK

Rosberg is going to make this championship boring if he doesn't start beating Lewis very soon.

skipper_G

I think July has almost certainly ended any chance for Rosberg to win the championship.

On the constructors side Force India close the gap to Williams to just 15 points and with both drivers in the top 10! good weekend for them

Adamocovic

Hard to see it going any other way than Hamilton running away with it now. Hopefully I'm wrong and it gets closer and goes down to the wire.

Nice race for Button I thought. Delighted he picked up some points after what happened last time.

Things we learned today:

Don't try and overtake.
Williams are completely laughable.
Honda should give up.
Vettel seems to have finally realised what's been obvious since 08, Ferrari are complete spoofers.
I dunno if I'll bother watching after the break.

bnt

Accusing the stewards of bias, such as having different rules for different drivers, is not on, in my opinion. It's not even all the same stewards at every race. We can argue about Rosberg's 5- 8-second penalty, and wish he'd made a better start, but he was off the pace by much, much more than that by the end.

Kevski

Deleted User wrote: »

Things we learned today:

Don't try and overtake.
Williams are completely laughable.
Honda should give up.
Vettel seems to have finally realised what's been obvious since 08, Ferrari are complete spoofers.
I dunno if I'll bother watching after the break.

Vettel needs to get out of there ASAP.

Brian CivilEng

I definitely have blinkers as I am a huge Vettel fan, someone correct me please, but all I remember from 2011 - 2013 were rule changes designed to reduce the Red Bull dominance. Why do we not have rule changes to reduce Mercedes dominance?

Hamilton is good but he doesn't deserve to go down as second greatest driver of all time. He is getting a clear run. Would love to see Rosberg win but it's clear he is not going to.

RobertKK

Lewis will use his trophy as an ice bucket for his champagne.

skipper_G

bnt wrote: »

Accusing the stewards of bias, such as having different rules for different drivers, is not on, in my opinion. It's not even all the same stewards at every race. We can argue about Rosberg's 5- 8-second penalty, and wish he'd made a better start, but he was off the pace by much, much more than that by the end.

I think we as fans have a right to discuss how the regulations are applied. It's the same as discussing a referee's decision in football. To say it's not on is a bit ridiculous frankly. Anyway for me it's not so much bias as it is terrible inconsistencies in how the rules are applied.

mcc1

abitofacomedian wrote: »

Hamilton is good but he doesn't deserve to go down as second greatest driver of all time. He is getting a clear run.

Why not? Hes doing the exact same as what most multiple world champions like Scumacher and Vettel did. Winning multiple championships in a car completely dominant over all the others. Its not his fault his teammate is a bottle job.

Theres no doubt hes a world class driver and the best on the grid currently. Hes the type of driver Ferrari need right now. Unlike Vettel, Hamilton would put that Ferrari higher on the grid than it should be like he did with a dog of a McLaren he had for a number of years.

As for Vettel, he's proving just how overrated he was/is. He can only win races when things are perfect for him.

Adbrowne

And Red Bull team principal Christian Horner has had his say on the Rosberg-Verstappen incident.

"The problem is [Rosberg] did a pretty bad job of it," he said. "The golden rule in a job like that is lock your fronts up and look as if you can't stop. The problem is he looked like he was driving to Cologne, and that's a bit naughty.

"They're the rules, that's what the stewards deemed so I'm not going to complain today."