Louise O Neill

Wibbs · 02-08-2016 11:07pm

Zxclnic wrote: »

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zxclnic:
Some posts on this thread are very hectoring indeed.
Yep, that'll be hectoring alright.

I'm not so sure you know what the word actually means. Or are you hoping for some sense of oppression, of victimhood? Right so.

But sorry I can't be the sword you want to fall on as disagreement is not hectoring. I know this can come as a shock if one is used to an echo chamber, but it isn't. No matter what echo chamber you inhabit. I've had this stuff from the PUA/Red pill yahoos, the "feminists" are no different.

Zxclnic · 02-08-2016 11:09pm

Wibbs wrote: »

I'm not so sure you know what the word actually means. Or are you hoping for some sense of oppression, of victimhood? Right so.

But sorry I can't be the sword you want to fall on as disagreement is not hectoring. I know this can come as a shock if one is used to an echo chamber, but it isn't. No matter what echo chamber you inhabit. I've had this stuff from the PUA/Red pill yahoos, the "feminists" are no different.

hector
ˈhɛktə/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: hectoring
talk to (someone) in a bullying way.
"she doesn't hector us about giving up things"
synonyms: bully, intimidate, browbeat, cow, badger, chivvy, harass, torment, plague;

ancapailldorcha · 02-08-2016 11:20pm

So far I've heard dissent to modern third wave feminism described as "Gaslighting" and "Vitriolic abuse". Hectoring though. That's a new one on me.

TSMGUY · 02-08-2016 11:28pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilCmywMin8I

Zxclnic · 02-08-2016 11:28pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

So far I've heard dissent to modern third wave feminism described as "Gaslighting" and "Vitriolic abuse". Hectoring though. That's a new one on me.

No, it's more the attitude and disrespect towards posters than posts, accusing them of inhabiting echo chambers and such like...
Perhaps had I used the word 'bullying' you would have understood, but I thought 'hectoring' was a better choice of word..more nuanced.
We live and learn.:)

Ulysses Gaze · 02-08-2016 11:32pm

TSMGUY wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilCmywMin8I

No that's a meltdown

Decent Skin · 02-08-2016 11:33pm

Wibbs wrote: »

:pac: "mansplain". Fantastic.

What in the holy crap is "mansplain", and do actual people use it as a "word" ?

Edit: since the thread is about "equality", is there a "womansplain", or is that viewed as sexist ?

Wibbs · 02-08-2016 11:36pm

Ah right, now it's bullying. *trigger word*. Call HR! :eek: Oh and maybe "you would have understood" AC. Man, the argument goes against your creed and rather than debate, we as per usual go for the victimhood and hope to shut down any further "blasphemy" route. Nice one. And about as "nuanced" as a house brick through a window.

Volatility Swap · 02-08-2016 11:38pm

Zxclnic wrote: »

No, it's more the attitude and disrespect towards posters than posts, accusing them of inhabiting echo chambers and such like...
Perhaps had I used the word 'bullying' you would have understood, but I thought 'hectoring' was a better choice of word..more nuanced.
We live and learn.:)

Disagreement and criticism does not equal bullying.

Ulysses Gaze · 02-08-2016 11:38pm

Decent Skin wrote: »

What in the holy crap is "mansplain", and do actual people use it as a "word" ?

Edit: since the thread is about "equality", is there a "womansplain", or is that viewed as sexist ?

From wikipedia

Mansplaining is a portmanteau of the words man and explaining, defined as "to explain something to someone, typically a man to woman, in a manner regarded as condescending or patronizing."[1][2] Lily Rothman of The Atlantic defines it as "explaining without regard to the fact that the explainee knows more than the explainer, often done by a man to a woman,"[3] and feminist author and essayist Rebecca Solnit ascribes the phenomenon to a combination of "overconfidence and cluelessness."[4]

Zxclnic · 02-08-2016 11:42pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Ah right, now it's bullying. *trigger word*. Call HR! :eek: Oh and maybe "you would have understood" AC. Man, the argument goes against your creed and rather than debate, we as per usual go for the victimhood and hope to shut down any further "blasphemy" route. Nice one. And about as "nuanced" as a house brick through a window.

The word 'bullying' has certainly triggered a not so nuanced response from your goodself.

Decent Skin · 02-08-2016 11:47pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

From wikipedia

I think I just puked.

Surely a more appropriate non-sexist language bastardisation would be "condescensplaining" ?

But given that that exists, there must surely be an equivalent "womansplaining" then, to describe how women explain "feminism" / "all men are potential rapists" to men, right ?

kunst nugget · 03-08-2016 12:01am

Decent Skin wrote: »

But given that that exists, there must surely be an equivalent "womansplaining" then, to describe how women explain "feminism" / "all men are potential rapists" to men, right ?

Femoting?

LuckyRoche · 03-08-2016 12:04am

Mansplaining. Hectoring. Privilege.

Am I on an Irish internet board or an American University Facebook page?

ancapailldorcha · 03-08-2016 12:05am

Zxclnic wrote: »

No, it's more the attitude and disrespect towards posters than posts, accusing them of inhabiting echo chambers and such like...
Perhaps had I used the word 'bullying' you would have understood, but I thought 'hectoring' was a better choice of word..more nuanced.
We live and learn.:)

I work in a mainly female institution so I'd like to think I know something of what working women go through. I've been with my current employer for about 2 and a half years now and I have never once heard any single woman at work use such childish nonsense words as "Patriarchy" or "Mansplaining". I have no problem whatsoever acknowledging that women in the west have to put up with sh*t because of their gender and it stinks. This is the 21st century and we really should have thrown this sort of nonsense out with the voodoo, quack medicine and other cultural garbage. I hear about comments they have to deal with on their appearance, the way the senior management treat them, difficulties encountered coming back from maternity leave and so on... They don't blame me for this. They don't use dopey, stupid-assed, made up, completely pointless buzzwords either. Why? Because they're intelligent adults who can have a conversation about such things without feeling the need to squak hoping that some fools on Twatter or Farcebook notice them.

Ulysses Gaze · 03-08-2016 12:12am

LuckyRoche wrote: »

Mansplaining. Hectoring. Privilege.

Am I on an Irish internet board or an American University Facebook page?

Well....you're not in a Safe Space anymore, kid.

:pac::pac::pac:

wp_rathead · 03-08-2016 12:21am

Her book "Asking For It" was pretty good, however I find majority of her articles that I've read to be pretty rubbish
That said, fact there is nearly 400 posts in this thread which is essentially a circlejerk about criticising an author seems a tad bizarre to me.

mzungu · 03-08-2016 12:24am

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

From wikipedia

Decent Skin wrote: »

I think I just puked.

These buzzwords are ivory tower navel-gazing at its finest. This is what happens when one believes their own BS and hitches their entire identity and lifework on ideology and badly thought out theory. I am not shocked it has caught on (in some circles) and I blame the Internet for that. What is refreshing however, and Ancapailldorcha referred to it above, is that I don't know one person who would use these words in an everyday conversation at anytime. It just seems to be used primarily on the Internet.

Hotei · 03-08-2016 12:36am

mzungu wrote: »

These buzzwords are ivory tower navel-gazing at its finest. This is what happens when one believes their own BS and hitches their entire identity and lifework on ideology and badly thought out theory. I am not shocked it has caught on (in some circles) and I blame the Internet for that. What is refreshing however, and Ancapailldorcha referred to it above, is that I don't know one person who would use these words in an everyday conversation at anytime. It just seems to be used primarily on the Internet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOXh5repOWI

darkdubh · 03-08-2016 12:36am

Decent Skin wrote: »

What in the holy crap is "mansplain", and do actual people use it as a "word" ?

Edit: since the thread is about "equality", is there a "womansplain", or is that viewed as sexist ?

Ahem,seems some do.

https://twitter.com/lemterby/status/760485407544991744

mzungu · 03-08-2016 12:40am

Hotei wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOXh5repOWI

...and that kids, is what happens when you try insert made up words into an adult conversation!

Decent Skin · 03-08-2016 12:44am

darkdubh wrote: »

Ahem,seems some do.

https://twitter.com/lemterby/status/760485407544991744

I think David's description sums that up - parody instead of real person

Decent Skin · 03-08-2016 12:48am

mzungu wrote: »

...and that kids, is what happens when you try insert made up words into an adult conversation!

I think she just got manspowned!

tritium · 03-08-2016 9:07am

Zxclnic wrote: »

No, it's more the attitude and disrespect towards posters than posts, accusing them of inhabiting echo chambers and such like...
Perhaps had I used the word 'bullying' you would have understood, but I thought 'hectoring' was a better choice of word..more nuanced.
We live and learn.:)

Oh, when you say hectoeing you mean posters and pundits who use terms like misogyny/ mansplaining/ patriarchy to shout down debate right?

And gob****es like O'Neill who like to bully groups on the basis of rumours and then refuse to apologise when they're shown to be unsubstantiated. Or shame their ex boyfriends in public media?

tritium · 03-08-2016 9:09am

Decent Skin wrote: »

I think I just puked.

Surely a more appropriate non-sexist language bastardisation would be "condescensplaining" ?

But given that that exists, there must surely be an equivalent "womansplaining" then, to describe how women explain "feminism" / "all men are potential rapists" to men, right ?

I believe the word is femsplaining

padd b1975 · 03-08-2016 9:22am

Zxclnic wrote: »

No, it's more the attitude and disrespect towards posters than posts, accusing them of inhabiting echo chambers and such like...
Perhaps had I used the word 'bullying' you would have understood, but I thought 'hectoring' was a better choice of word..more nuanced.
We live and learn.:)

No shortage of passive aggression though, that's for sure!

conorhal · 03-08-2016 9:31am

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I work in a mainly female institution so I'd like to think I know something of what working women go through. I've been with my current employer for about 2 and a half years now and I have never once heard any single woman at work use such childish nonsense words as "Patriarchy" or "Mansplaining". I have no problem whatsoever acknowledging that women in the west have to put up with sh*t because of their gender and it stinks. This is the 21st century and we really should have thrown this sort of nonsense out with the voodoo, quack medicine and other cultural garbage. I hear about comments they have to deal with on their appearance, the way the senior management treat them, difficulties encountered coming back from maternity leave and so on... They don't blame me for this. They don't use dopey, stupid-assed, made up, completely pointless buzzwords either. Why? Because they're intelligent adults who can have a conversation about such things without feeling the need to squak hoping that some fools on Twatter or Farcebook notice them.

Honest to God, the first time I ever heard the term 'mansplaining' I assumed it referred to that particular tone of voice women take when a an oblivious bloke cocks up big time and his missus has to explain to him exactly what he's done wrong in that tone that is all at once condescending, disappointed and exasperated. In that context I’ve been manspained to a lot. You know it’s coming because it usually begins with an eye roll and the sentence ‘You know what dear?....

Ralf and Florian · 03-08-2016 9:50am

darkdubh wrote: »

Ahem,seems some do.

https://twitter.com/lemterby/status/760485407544991744

Had a read of that persons tweets on the link.Her (think its a she) arrogance is breathtaking.

Zxclnic · 03-08-2016 9:54am

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I work in a mainly female institution so I'd like to think I know something of what working women go through. I've been with my current employer for about 2 and a half years now and I have never once heard any single woman at work use such childish nonsense words as "Patriarchy" or "Mansplaining". I have no problem whatsoever acknowledging that women in the west have to put up with sh*t because of their gender and it stinks. This is the 21st century and we really should have thrown this sort of nonsense out with the voodoo, quack medicine and other cultural garbage. I hear about comments they have to deal with on their appearance, the way the senior management treat them, difficulties encountered coming back from maternity leave and so on... They don't blame me for this. They don't use dopey, stupid-assed, made up, completely pointless buzzwords either. Why? Because they're intelligent adults who can have a conversation about such things without feeling the need to squak hoping that some fools on Twatter or Farcebook notice them.

Funny, I've never used the words 'Patriachy' or 'Mansplaining' either, please point to where I have if you disagree. Thanks.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 03-08-2016 10:03am

All I can say is I can't wait for Louise O'Neills next article if she does a piece on this thread, the hyperbole will be interesting.

Louise O Neill

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