Louise O Neill

mzungu

Penny Tration wrote: »

According to her Twitter, her sister rang her in floods of tears about this thread, and she doesn't understand why people are such mean trolls.


Disliking someone's agenda makes you a mean troll now?

And seriously, her sister is in floods of tears? Lol ok sure

Welcome to the world of perpetual victimhood. Disagreement with another worldview is simply no longer tolerated*. It is a pretty unhealthy message in general to be sending to youngsters who may not be able to spot the utter BS quite so easily.

*Usually from a groups who see themselves as 'tolerant'.

Canis Lupus

drugstore cowboy wrote: »

Saw this tweet over on the PROC forum, could be concerning the thread here or the one on the PROC

http://i.makeagif.com/media/6-09-2015/sJSlbt.gif

LuckyRoche

What's the PROC forum?

mzungu

Widdershins wrote: »

Criticism is inevitable . Even the most talented of writers have had to put up with it. Essentially what most people seem to be saying is that she could tone it down a bit.

To be fair, she has books to sell so toning it down might not do the brand any favours. However, stuff that is propagated like 'rape culture' is a myth so one can hardly be surprised when people say "'Hey, this is not making any sense!'. Instead, asking these questions is viewed as 'trolling'.

RAINN have this to say about 'rape culture'

RAINN argues that rape is the product of individuals who have decided to disregard the overwhelming cultural message that rape is wrong. The report argues that the trend towards focusing on cultural factors that supposedly condone rape "has the paradoxical effect of making it harder to stop sexual violence, since it removes the focus from the individual at fault, and seemingly mitigates personal responsibility for his or her own actions"

https://www.rainn.org/images/03-2014/WH-Task-Force-RAINN-Recommendations.pdf

So, basically by trying to push false notions like 'rape culture' does the opposite of what it intends to do. It makes life harder for frontline groups who work with victims.

mzungu

LuckyRoche wrote: »

What's the PROC forum?

Was wondering that myself.

Widdershins

mzungu wrote: »

To be fair, she has books to sell so toning it down might not do the brand any favours. However, stuff that is propagated like 'rape culture' is a myth so one can hardly be surprised when people ask "'Hey, this is not making any sense!?'. Instead, asking these questions is viewed as 'trolling'.

*RAINN have this to say about 'rape culture'

https://www.rainn.org/images/03-2014/WH-Task-Force-RAINN-Recommendations.pdf

So, basically by trying to push false notions like 'rape culture' does the opposite of what it intends to do. It makes life harder for frontline groups who work with victims.

I understand that but the nature of what she talks about is serious enough without the added hysterics. Very interesting information . I'd never thought of it like that .

Ulysses Gaze

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Disagree against someone in 2016 = Troll

Seems to be growing trend imported from the States.

drugstore cowboy

LuckyRoche wrote: »

What's the PROC forum?

Peoples Republic Of Cork, the 'feminazi whingebag' thread is 100's of posts in

Wigglepuppy

cloudatlas wrote: »

Being concerned about the portrayal of women in the media is different from wanting to feel sexy for yourself or a partner. Do you have to wait for someone to 'make (you) do so' before you will do something that to you is sex positive. You sound like a monk. Again the whole argument is if women don't want to be objectified they shouldn't wear that short skirt etc., not even if they like wearing it or find it fashionable because de menz can't help themselves and isn't she a slut etc., :rolleyes:

Nah to me it read like she felt obliged and inconvenienced by having to wear bondage underwear. Saying you feel you "have to" wear kinky lingerie for a date is something I'd have thought a feminist would deplore. Unless you spin it into "the patriarchy made me feel I have to" I suppose.

Now of course you wanna look hot for your date but you don't have to resort to bondage underwear (unless you want to, but she didn't seem to want to) - there's a variety of sexy knickers and bra styles that are not as out there and uncomfortable.

And the really key thing is that men don't particularly give a **** so the pressure was entirely by herself!

I don't like the idea of her getting upset but maybe she should consider people's points and suck it up and then ignore, which is what a strong independent person would do surely.

TSMGUY

Wigglepuppy wrote: »

Nah to me it read like she felt obliged and inconvenienced by having to wear bondage underwear. Saying you feel you "have to" wear kinky lingerie for a date is something I'd have thought a feminist would deplore. Unless you spin it into "the patriarchy made me feel I have to" I suppose.

Now of course you wanna look hot for your date but you don't have to resort to bondage underwear (unless you want to, but she didn't seem to want to) - there's a variety of sexy knickers and bra styles that are not as out there and uncomfortable.

And the really key thing is that men don't particularly give a **** so the pressure was entirely by herself!

I don't like the idea of her getting upset but maybe she should consider people's points and suck it up and then ignore, which is what a strong independent person would do surely.

you have the most incongruously cute name:) wigglepuppy awwwwwwwwww

The_Kew_Tour

TSMGUY wrote: »

some guy tweeted at her

just remember how miserable their existence must be if they're that insecure about a woman expressing herself.

LMAO! Apparently if you disagree with a woman it makes you insecure and miserable. Good to know.

Read some of the tweets to her. Dear Jesus, and it's the men's ones which are the real cringe fest.

TSMGUY

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Read some of the tweets to her. Dear Jesus, and it's the men's ones which are the real cringe fest.

I'm sure they post on r/foreveralone lol. Tfw beta etc.

Wigglepuppy

TSMGUY wrote: »

you have the most incongruously cute name:) wigglepuppy awwwwwwwwww

Ralph Wiggum's imaginery friend! I tell you, he and that dog have been on some adventures.

yellowcandle

the replies to her twitter rant have made me die a little inside. Especially from men.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

You simply can't throw out audacious terms like 'rape culture' and expect every single person who hears that to respond with enthusiastic agreement.

On one hand her writings have probably helped plenty of young women who have gone through various struggles, which is great.

On the other hand, describing yourself as a misandrist does very little to advance any real notion of feminism or proper equality.

We don't live in a black or white world and I think that is the biggest problem with current day 'identity politics'.

TSMGUY

From her twitter I'm getting strong Rosamund Pike in Gone Girl vibes:eek:

yellowcandle

TSMGUY wrote: »

From her twitter I'm getting strong Rosamund Pike in Gone Girl vibes:eek:

you should see her Instagram. The girl loves a selfie

kupus

I can already see the sequence of her next article. Because it's text book liberalism 101. The kind her generation of special lil snowflakes have taken to heart.
I call it the 4 D's.

Distort the problem.
Deny the problem.
Deflect the problem

And if none of those work it is liberal nuclear time
The heavy D is brought out.
Defame
Defame
And
Defame.

Ulysses Gaze

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

You simply can't throw out audacious terms like 'rape culture' and expect every single person who hears that to respond with enthusiastic agreement.

On one hand her writings have probably helped plenty of young women who have gone through various struggles, which is great.

On the other hand, describing yourself as a misandrist does very little to advance any real notion of feminism or proper equality.

We don't live in a black or white world and I think that is the biggest problem with current day 'identity politics'.

But there's money to be made from identity politics though. Money and fame.

If you pick, as you say, a black or white position and can gain notoriety soap-boxing on one or the other, you can make a good living as a speaker, writer, activist (or all of the above). Take a position and write a few books, get a regular column in a paper/online, go on book tours, go on lecture tours etc, etc.

That is clear from Feminist and Anti-Feminist bloggers, writers, speakers that we see dominating the popular discourse in this area.

kupus

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Read some of the tweets to her. Dear Jesus, and it's the men's ones which are the real cringe fest.

What the hell is worng with some guys. Do they think women need help all the time. As far as I know they are called white knights or something like that. They need to grow a pair of balls. Jesus how do some people actually survive once they leave their house is beyond me.

One more thing. It could be the USA influence but I don't hear half as much crap like this from other nationalities that don't speak English. I wonder is it because of the emotions of the English language?

mzungu

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

But there's money to be made in identity politics though. Money and fame.

If you pick, as you say, a black or white position and can gain notoriety soap-boxing on one or the other, you can make a good living as a speaker, writer, activist (or all of the above). Take a position and write a few books, get a regular column in a paper/online, go on book tours, go on lecture tours etc, etc.

That is clear from Feminist and Anti-Feminist bloggers, writers, speakers that we see dominating the popular discourse in this area.

I would hedge my bets that the vast majority know it's all BS but want to keep the moolah rolling in. It pays the bills so kudos given there. It is just a shame that the mistruths are generally not critiqued by the media and and when they are the buzzwords come flyin out with a gusto (misogyny, patriarchy/mansplaining etc). When it comes to identity politics, facts are the enemy and victimhood is a currency.

gimmick

Her article about her "white privilege in the 90s" was a doozy.

She is an awful writer. But her acolytes are the lowest form of Internet user I have come across.

Wigglepuppy

gimmick wrote: »

Her article about her "white privilege in the 90s" was a doozy.

She is an awful writer. But her acolytes are the lowest form of Internet user I have come across.

This is a problem too with such a commentator - gives actual misogynists ammunition.

Widdershins

gimmick wrote: »

Her article about her "white privilege in the 90s" was a doozy.

She is an awful writer. But her acolytes are the lowest form of Internet user I have come across.

This One ? When we sang the rhyme Eeny Meeny Minie Moe in playschool, I thought it was ‘knicker’, and often wondered why it was singular, imagining half a pair of underpants running around the place.

I thought a knacker was someone who killed horses for a living . Or was it a different word..

Sky King

I like d way she used metafores to paint a pcikture of what it was like in here head when she was writing about her taught's.

LizT

yellowcandle wrote: »

you should see her Instagram. The girl loves a selfie

And why is that an issue?

I'm in the minority, I've read both her books and throughly enjoyed them. 'Asking for it' in particular is a really harrowing but worthwhile read. I follow her on snapchat too and she's pretty funny. She mentioned this thread today too and how her sister was upset. I would feel the same if I was reading some of the comments in this thread and they were directed at a family member of mine.

yellowcandle

LizT wrote: »

And why is that an issue?

I'm in the minority, I've read both her books and throughly enjoyed them. 'Asking for it' in particular is a really harrowing but worthwhile read. I follow her on snapchat too and she's pretty funny. She mentioned this thread today too and how her sister was upset. I would feel the same if I was reading some of the comments in this thread and they were directed at a family member of mine.

The majority of her pics are of herself. Find that quite narcissistic.

I've read and enjoyed both her books too

gimmick

LizT wrote: »

And why is that an issue?

I'm in the minority, I've read both her books and throughly enjoyed them. 'Asking for it' in particular is a really harrowing but worthwhile read. I follow her on snapchat too and she's pretty funny. She mentioned this thread today too and how her sister was upset. I would feel the same if I was reading some of the comments in this thread and they were directed at a family member of mine.

Put yourself out there like he does and that is bound to happen. But I am sure she is looking at this thread now and trying to find the misogynist angle where she can write a melodramatic article consisting of single sentence paragraphs.

I don't dislike her due to her gender. I dislike her due to her social media tactics of deflecting anyone questioning her as misogyny. She is a classic one trick pony (ponyess??).

Wibbs

LizT wrote: »

And why is that an issue?

Nuclear powered narcissism such as hers is so ubiquitous that too many see it as normal now. Oh and she is in the tupenny hapenny place compared to some attention seeking missiles. "eee here's a snapchat of my lunch. Go cake" Oh piss off you self involved nitwit. We've gone from the century of the self to the century of the self involved. Social media has weaponised and monetised narcissism and attention seeking, while shooting attention spans in the face. And let's face it one gender suffers and is suffering from it more(though contrary to the usual harpies, men not women are more likely to be victims of online abuse).

She mentioned this thread today too and how her sister was upset. I would feel the same if I was reading some of the comments in this thread and they were directed at a family member of mine.

Then don't get into a profession where one sells oneself publicly each and every day to further one's career. She didn't get locally known by mistake did she? There are extensively read writers who sell more than she does that seem to require far less of a social media presence. Never midn LT, that her agent would love this. Give her more grist for her victim porn mill to churn on and get more clicks for. Remember; women are always victims, men are always victimisers.

I know this seems to stagger Generation Whine, but actions have consequences. I realise that solipsism seems more and more fashionable, but your opinion is just that, yours, it does not automatically mean fact. The world can be nasty and just because your parents tell you that you are a god/dess doesn't mean the world will follow in that assessment. People may disagree with you and certainly will if your opinions are holed like cheese.

JRant

LizT wrote: »

And why is that an issue?

I'm in the minority, I've read both her books and throughly enjoyed them. 'Asking for it' in particular is a really harrowing but worthwhile read. I follow her on snapchat too and she's pretty funny. She mentioned this thread today too and how her sister was upset. I would feel the same if I was reading some of the comments in this thread and they were directed at a family member of mine.

Well if she can't stand the heat she should get out of the kitchen then.

On the one hand she seems full of indignation about a few harmless comments on a well moderated site with a typical OTT response involving floods of tears (can't be just upset).

On the other hand she is lightning quick to repeat scurrilous accusations about a whole cohort of students and perform a character assassination on an ex boyfriend.

Not to mention an unhealthy dislike of all men.

As the old saying goes, if you can't take it then don't give it b