Kids in Cafes

Cienciano

Smondie wrote: »

I've never seen a dog **** in a cafe, but I have seen a child do it, while the parents looked on proudly. Then then sit in thier **** until lattes are finished and nappies are changed. Disgustng

You've actually saw the child shít? And the parents looked proudly while it happened? You knew the baby was actually taking a shít? This didn't actually happen, did it?

the_syco

learn_more wrote: »

I like to go out for the occasional coffee either by myself or with friends. Impossible nowadays to find a cafe that doesn't have the atmosphere of a school playground or a creche.

I would say goto a pub, but nope. Kids there.

Look for a nearby whorehouse strip club, and have your coffee there?

OldNotWIse

gifted wrote: »

I love it...watching other people looking over tut tuting...usually the people who don't have kids because they're so miserable that no one wants to be with them.....rock on kids with the noises, it's one of lifes happy sounds...

Do you think all childless people are single? Did it ever cross your mind that some people are childless by choice?

OldNotWIse

the_syco wrote: »

I would say goto a pub, but nope. Kids there.

Look for a nearby whorehouse strip club, and have your coffee there?

Actually that's something I've been wondering about lately, I notice more and more kids in pubs after the (what I thought) was 7pm cut off. What's that about. Isn't it against the law?

Smondie

Cienciano wrote: »

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You've actually saw the child sh t? And the parents looked proudly while it happened? You knew the baby was actually taking a sh t? This didn't actually happen, did it?

You mustn't have children if you cannot tell when a child is taking a ****. Big red face and then the smell.

hatrickpatrick

Guys you're off schedule. AH's weekly kid bashing / bad parenting in public thread is Thursday. Sunday and Monday are for the weekly "all Irish women are b!tches" thread, following some poor eejit's rejection in Coppers on Saturday night, and then Tuesday is for the "why does Irish summer suck so much" thread.

The only thread which generally has an open schedule is the weekly Traveller Bashing thread, which can fall on any day but it has to be at night time.

Jesus lads, pay attention!

Smondie

Pter wrote: »

Smondie wrote: »

Any good parent will remove them from the situation if they are not doing as told. Instead of this, shrug shoulders, sure they can't be expected to do what they're told. This weak, ineffective parenting style is becoming more prevalent. No wonder many children have no respect for thier parents.

And thus they are taught that if they want to move or get mum or dad to bring them somewhere, all they have to do is throw a fit. Its not weak, ineffective parenting, it's taking a longer view to the childs development and how they are taught.

Your suggestion that the parent just ups and removes the child only reinforces the bad behaviour that people dont like (in this thread).

It teaches the child if they are not behaving, parents will not accept such behaviour and it will be addressed and if it continues they will go home hungry.

Ignoring it teaches them: i can do what I want, when I want. Parent won't care as they can't tell what to do; anyway they don't expect me to listen 100% of the time and if anyone says anything to me, my ineffective parent will jump in and defend me.

Elliott S

I have no problem with adult-only venues but they are few and far between. Suck it up, OP. Now of course the children should be made to behave but once they are, not much else you can do. Children will always make a bit of noise and depending on age can be messy. Children exist. C'est la vie. Your "visuals" gripe is so laughably precious. And no, I'm not a mother.

farmchoice

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Actually that's something I've been wondering about lately, I notice more and more kids in pubs after the (what I thought) was 7pm cut off. What's that about. Isn't it against the law?

its 9.00pm i think.

andekwarhola

videopirate wrote: »

I bet you're one of those saddo's who wants to be mates with his kids.

I make them call me Daddio.

Baggly

Smondie wrote:

Ignoring it teaches them: i can do what I want, when I want. Parent won't care as they can't tell what to do; anyway they don't expect me to listen 100% of the time and if anyone says anything to me, my ineffective parent will jump in and defend me.

Who said anything about ignoring it?

boobar

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Licking its balls and scratching itself, so you can just imagine the fleas being hurled everywhere...

I've never seen a kid do this in a cafe, you're making this up Conor.

Whispered

I bring my 18 month old out to eat maybe once a fortnight. McDonalds food is just crap tbh so we are left with the option of going to cafes or restaurants. I honestly think that by starting him early we are firstly helping him learn how to behave in public and also instilling in him a love of food and avoiding a fussy eater. To teach him how to behave we have to put him into the situation, there are bound to be some bumps along the way.

Generally we will go when we know he is hungry, order our food then myself or husband will bring him outside to play, even if it's just dropping stones down a shore in the car park, then when the food arrives the person at the table will let them know and in to wash his hands and eat. The fact he's hungry means we can enjoy a meal then get the hell out of dodge. However, considering we go to some lengths to try prevent him being whingy at the table you can bet that if he's playing, singing or laughing at the table and you're throwing daggers, I'll likely ignore you. Crying and screaming is not something we will sit with, normal level happy noises, we will. (And while I know the vast majority of people would find that fair enough, there are some who this would annoy.)

On another note, I clearly remember the first time I brought him out. I was very nervous and chose a busy, loud cafe to meet a friend in in the afternoon, so after the lunch run. (starbucks, in the square Tallaght, for those not familiar is an open cafe area in the middle of a shopping centre). He was a very young baby at the time and cried for a feed, not very loudly, that newborn grizzling sort of crying, and not for long as I immediately started to pack up. Some man started loudly making comments while I struggled to sort out my bags, carrier and baby. I had been doing my best and was so upset by his comments and tutting. 30 seconds of crying made him think he had a right to loudly question whether I should have had a baby at all when I obviously just thought of myself. Cheeky arse.

Elliott S

_Brian wrote: »

TBH I think there's wrong on both sides here.

Some parents definitely have no interest in keeping control on kids and don't realise when they are crossing the line between having fun and wrecking everyone's head.

Equally people need to relax a bit. Families have to get out and about too and occasionally eat or have a cuppa. Yea kids can be a bit noisy and leave crumbs on the table, but they're kids.

Far too many threads with extreme views and positions - all kids are noisy brats- all this - all the other. Life is a series of degrees of everything including noisy kids and busybodies in the corner drinking their skinny mokas shaking their heads in disbelief.

Relax people, life's easier.

The voice of reason.

Alf Veedersane

Who'd have thought people could get so passionate arguing about kids in a cafe.

irish bloke

learn_more wrote: »

I like to go out for the occasional coffee either by myself or with friends. Impossible nowadays to find a cafe that doesn't have the atmosphere of a school playground or a creche.

Maybe parents live in a dream-world where they believe that other patrons are only too happy to see their little darlings re-enact world war 2 with some plastic toys they've given them. I recall a time when kids were given things to shut them up - not to give them an opportunity to make even more noise.

And visually, it's the way the really mess up their table with crumbs, straws, sweet wrappers, on the plates , on the tables, on the seats, on the ground, while their parents light up and gossip; giving the occasional roar as to give the impression their being responsible parents. Really not the type of environment a grown adult would like to spend his or her time in.

I really think cafe owners should take some responsibility for all this. It's in their interest to come to a better arrangement after all. A one kid per table policy would be reasonable and wouldn't it make financial sense to have more paying adults seated that to have low spending riff raff sullying their establishment who scare off the more desirable clientèle ! I was never taken to cafes when I was a child. And quite right too. It's just a total lack of consideration that parents have these days which is a sign of our times. Sigh.

Have you tried IVF yet??

Elliott S

inforfun wrote: »

Apparently every kid nowadays is not complete unless it gets a special needs label or acronym stuck on it and then can do as it pleases.

Such an ignorant statement. You know well this isn't the case, and special needs kids are still in the vast minority. Very insulting to people here with special need kids, almost implying that they are lying about it.

Elliott S

mahamageehad wrote: »

I must be the only one that bases my annoyance on the parents behaviour. If the parents are trying to get the child to behave, no problem. It's the rare few, the ones that seem oblivious and even amused as their offspring run wild that drive me insane. I've seen it from the customer side, and the staff side.

Also hate this constant underlying jibe in threads like this that people that complain about kids are only angry because no one loves them enough to have kids with them. Apart from the obvious stab for people who can't have kids despite trying their hardest, some of us just don't want kids!

As a general rule, I don't mind kids in public places and have never had a real reason to complain about it. Usually I find them adorable and amusing. However, I went on holiday earlier this year to a child-free resort and it was a great decision. Would look for that in future. People are allowed to have preferences without making them child-hating-trolls. So I see all sides, except for the fèckers happy to let em run wild.

I agree that the 'barren' jibes are childish but the OP wasn't complaining about misbehaving kids in cafés, but ALL kids in cafés. That is simply ridiculous. And complaining about crumbies and the "mess"? So very precious.

OldNotWIse

mahamageehad wrote: »

I must be the only one that bases my annoyance on the parents behaviour. If the parents are trying to get the child to behave, no problem. It's the rare few, the ones that seem oblivious and even amused as their offspring run wild that drive me insane. I've seen it from the customer side, and the staff side.

Also hate this constant underlying jibe in threads like this that people that complain about kids are only angry because no one loves them enough to have kids with them. Apart from the obvious stab for people who can't have kids despite trying their hardest, some of us just don't want kids!

As a general rule, I don't mind kids in public places and have never had a real reason to complain about it. Usually I find them adorable and amusing. However, I went on holiday earlier this year to a child-free resort and it was a great decision. Would look for that in future. People are allowed to have preferences without making them child-hating-trolls. So I see all sides, except for the fèckers happy to let em run wild.

irish bloke wrote: »

Have you tried IVF yet??

Underlying you say.....

gimmick

Childless single people on an internet forum? Well I never.

Elliott S

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm still thinking about dogs in a café.

Urgh. Disgusting.

What is it about cat owners, hamster owners and goldfish owners that they don't need to inflict their pets on others?

Well, I suppose dogs are brought out and about a lot unlike other pets. But I love dogs and I also don't like the idea of them in cafés.

Firstly, despite what a lot of dog owners think, a lot of dogs have a faint or not so faint smell. Multiply that by ten dogs and the smell isn't so faint anymore. Not very appetitising.

Secondly, a lot of dogs are cadgers. More dogs than not in my experience. Something a lot of dog owners ignore. I hate the idea of a dog staring at me in a café whilst I'm eating or worse, resting their head on my lap looking up pleadingly.

Thirdly, I think there being dogs in a café would increase the chance of tripping up. They tend to sprawl a bit and can be hard to spot on the floor.

Baggly

Elliott S wrote: »

Well, I suppose dogs are brought out and about a lot unlike other pets. But I love dogs and I also don't like the idea of them in cafés.

Firstly, despite what a lot of dog owners think, a lot of dogs have a faint or not so faint smell. Multiply that by ten dogs and the smell isn't so faint anymore. Not very appetitising.

Secondly, a lot of dogs are cadgers. More dogs than not in my experience. Something a lot of dog owners ignore. I hate the idea of a dog staring at me in a café whilst I'm eating or worse, resting their head on my lap looking up pleadingly.

Thirdly, I think there being dogs in a café would increase the chance of tripping up. They tend to sprawl a bit and can be hard to spot on the floor.

I love my children, but you could easily replace the words 'dog' with 'child', and 'dog owner' with parent in the above, and it would be no less accurate.

OldNotWIse

gimmick wrote: »

Childless single people on an internet forum? Well I never.

The assumption that someone is childless because they don't tolerate other people's screaming kids.

The assumption that someone who is childless is secretly yearning for a child of their own instead of being childless by, you know, choice.

The assumption that someone is single because they are childless.

Well, I never...

OldNotWIse

Elliott S wrote: »

Well, I suppose dogs are brought out and about a lot unlike other pets. But I love dogs and I also don't like the idea of them in cafés.

Firstly, despite what a lot of dog owners think, a lot of dogs have a faint or not so faint smell. Multiply that by ten dogs and the smell isn't so faint anymore. Not very appetitising.

Secondly, a lot of dogs are cadgers. More dogs than not in my experience. Something a lot of dog owners ignore. I hate the idea of a dog staring at me in a café whilst I'm eating or worse, resting their head on my lap looking up pleadingly.

Thirdly, I think there being dogs in a café would increase the chance of tripping up. They tend to sprawl a bit and can be hard to spot on the floor.

There are dog cafes!

Pter

Pter wrote: »

I love my children, but you could easily replace the words 'dog' with 'child', and 'dog owner' with parent in the above, and it would be no less accurate.

You wouldn't expect a child to put its head on another person's lap though...

Baggly

Deleted User wrote: »

You wouldn't expect a child to put its head on another person's lap though...

Ewww...but also, kids sit on their parents laps and stare up until they are fed, so yeah.

Elliott S

Pter wrote: »

I love my children, but you could easily replace the words 'dog' with 'child', and 'dog owner' with parent in the above, and it would be no less accurate.

Children aren't cadgers and they don't sprawl. They sometimes smell but there are usually facilities available to sort that out. And, as said before, sweet jesus, the doggie ball-licking. So not really comparable at all.

OldNotWIse wrote: »

There are dog cafes!

Well, that's fine, people know what to expect there. Cat cafes also exist.

Discodog

OldNotWIse wrote: »

The assumption that someone is childless because they don't tolerate other people's screaming kids.

The assumption that someone who is childless is secretly yearning for a child of their own instead of being childless by, you know, choice.

The assumption that someone is single because they are childless.

Well, I never...

So true. I remember a dating site that was specifically for people who didn't want children. They had lots of members in the UK but only one in Ireland.

Smondie

Elliott S wrote: »

Pter wrote: »

I love my children, but you could easily replace the words 'dog' with 'child', and 'dog owner' with parent in the above, and it would be no less accurate.

Children aren't cadgers and they don't sprawl. They sometimes smell but there are usually facilities available to sort that out. And, as said before, sweet jesus, the doggie ball-licking. So not really comparable at all.

OldNotWIse wrote: »

There are dog cafes!

Well, that's fine, people know what to expect there. Cat cafes also exist.

Sprawl? Most dogs don't come in Prams with a heap of specialised paraphernalia

OldNotWIse

Smondie wrote: »

Sprawl? Most dogs don't come in Prams with a heap of specialised paraphernalia

Yup, my little one is 7kilo and sleeps under the table (the dog is pretty portable too)