Knife Attack London

conorhal

The_Valeyard wrote: »

My agenda? Paranoid much?
We dont know the facts yet, but please dont let that stop you from going on a rant about Muslims.

It doesn't seem to stop you demonizing mentally ill people though, that's fine it seems.

LordSutch

It does seem to be the case that anything that happens at the moment > whether it be a knife attack or a road rage incident its either "Terrorist" or Brexit related . . .

There seems to be a lot of media driven paranoia & sensationalism flaoting around at the moment.
That bloody SkY news alert thingy on my smart phone never stops!

Bobthefireman

Why haven't they released his name yet? They know who he is, as they are searching his house and know that he's 19....?

Letree

Bobthefireman wrote: »

If mental health has been cited as a factor, it's likely there has been a leak that he has a history of mental illness/treatment. Sadly, I feel those with mental health issues are more vulnerable to radicalisation, so terrorism could also be a factor.

They seem to be very anxious to blame mental health rather than Islamic extremism for these attacks. In their efforts to save Islam from blame they may be throwing the mentally ill under the bus. People will start to believe mentally ill people are a danger.

LordSutch

LordSutch wrote: »

It does seem to be the case that anything that happens at the moment > whether it be a knife attack or a road rage incident its either "Terrorist" or Brexit related . . .

There seems to be a lot of media driven paranoia & sensationalism flaoting around at the moment.
That bloody SkY news alert thingy on my smart phone never stops!

It's funny how a few years ago someone went on a similar rampage in Drogheda and it wasn't particularly big news.

Alive1

Bobthefireman wrote: »

Why haven't they released his name yet? They know who he is, as they are searching his house and know that he's 19....?

What does it matter what is name is?

Bobthefireman

Alive1 wrote: »

What does it matter what is name is?

What's in a name?

Timberrrrrrrr

Alive1 wrote: »

What does it matter what is name is?

Because the usual troglodytes are slavering at the mouth waiting to blame a Muslim for a "terrorist" attack.

OldMrBrennan83

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Alive1

Bobthefireman wrote: »

What's in a name?

My point exactly , but you are the one obsessing over the name.

The_Valeyard

conorhal wrote: »

It doesn't seem to stop you demonizing mentally ill people though, that's fine it seems.

That is a truly disgusting and despicable thing to say. I have done nothing of the sort.

Letree

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Because the usual troglodytes are slavering at the mouth waiting to blame a Muslim for a "terrorist" attack.

And is that an unreasonable assumption given what has been happening in Europe recently

Alive1

Letree wrote: »

And is that an unreasonable assumption given what has been happening in Europe recently

Yes.
The overwhelming majority of stabbings and shooting that occur, sadly, on a daily basis , have no relation at all to terrorism or religion.
The Metropolitan Police dont appear to believe at this time that this was terrorist related , so why dont we wait until the fact are clear.

Letree

Alive1 wrote: »

Yes.
The overwhelming majority of stabbings and shooting that occur, sadly, on a daily basis , have no relation at all to terrorism or religion.
The Metropolitan Police dont appear to believe at this time that this was terrorist related , so why dont we wait until the fact are clear.

Stabbings yes mass stabbings no

The_Mac

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Because the usual troglodytes are slavering at the mouth waiting to blame a Muslim for a "terrorist" attack.

And the usual smug liberals are praying that it was a white lad with mental health issues so that they can take the moral high road.

Ave Sodalis

The_Mac wrote:

And the usual smug liberals are praying that it was a white lad with mental health issues so that they can take the moral high road.

To be fair, I think most people who are hoping it wasn't a terrorist attack are doing so because of the abuse and hardship the entire religion is getting, which people are justifying using the attacks.

Alive1

The_Mac wrote: »

And the usual smug liberals are praying that it was a white lad with mental health issues so that they can take the moral high road.

Pretty sick thing to say.
A woman is dead, a family are mourning, people are injured.
Thats all that matters right now, and RIP to the poor victim.

Boom_Bap

getzls wrote: »

Cause of insanity found.
Islam

MOD
Don't post in this thread again.

Bobthefireman

I'm not obsessed with the name. It's just unusual that it is withheld.

Alive1

Bobthefireman wrote: »

I'm not obsessed with the name. It's just unusual that it is withheld.

Not really, it has only been a matter of hours since the attack.

Alive1

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-england-london-36875146

From the BBC:

There is a subtle change in the Met's latest statement where it says "we focus... on mental health while retaining an open mind".

Earlier statements included the line "terrorism remains one line of the inquiry being explored" but that has now been removed.

Butters1979

Bobthefireman wrote: »

I'm not obsessed with the name. It's just unusual that it is withheld.

I'm pretty sure under uk law they can't be named until they are formally charged, so he has to go through that process first.

Unless someone corrects me.

Butters1979

Alive1 wrote: »

Pretty sick thing to say.
A woman is dead, a family are mourning, people are injured.
Thats all that matters right now, and RIP to the poor victim.

No, who did it and why is actually extremely important and it's important right now.
Regardless of your attempt to shut down any discussion about that with guilt and shame.

Alive1

Butters1979 wrote: »

No, who did it and why is actually extremely important and it's important right now.
Regardless of your attempt to shut down any discussion about that with guilt and shame.

And how have I tried to shut down discussion, I am merely quoting the facts as presented by the Police, sadly those facts may not suit those with a particular agenda.
And an RIP to the victim is not guilt, it is respect and recognition, you might try it yourself.

What does the name have to do with anything, anyway? Knife crimes and stabbings have been happening in London and, I believe, this isn't the first of such attacks. The only reason we're hearing about it is because the world is eager to jump at claims of terrorism. Otherwise it'd be a couple-word writeup on the sidebar of a tabloid newspaper.

Widdershins

I was planning to be in London during the Summer and would have been visiting the area. What put me off was the ''When , not if'' warning about terror attacks . With that in mind it's understandable that people wondered if this was more terror .

DominoDub

I was based around russell square for a 5 days two weeks ago ...would have no issues going again today, no problem ..very safe area ..with easy walking access to Covent Garden, British Museum etc ..... same event could happen in Dublin if we are honest with ourselves .

So lets not get ourselves into a mood of fear and panic filled by 24/7 news ..they have to fill that time with anything they can.

getzls

Fabb wrote: »

getzls wrote: »

Cause of insanity found.
Islam

And why do feel it to be this way?

As Churchill said.
Islam in a man is as dangerous as Rabies in a dog.


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Little CuChulainn

Letree wrote: »

Stabbings yes mass stabbings no

I remember the Swedes House Mafia terrorist attack in the park a while back. Oh wait, it was just a drunk.

Butters1979

Alive1 wrote: »

And how have I tried to shut down discussion, I am merely quoting the facts as presented by the Police, sadly those facts may not suit those with a particular agenda.
And an RIP to the victim is not guilt, it is respect and recognition, you might try it yourself.

People can speculate all they like. This is an Internet forum. Yes stabbings happen everyday, most of these are either mugging or gang related, or the victims know their attackers.

This is a mass stabbing towards random victims. This does not happen everyday, and is either some very dangerous crazy person, or is a terrorist attack. Or both.

The police have given us no reasons or motive yet , which is why people are speculating. Recent history has give people reasons for this speculation. You are trying to stop discussion about a very real issue, by using deflection and shame tactics.

failinis

Widdershins wrote: »

I was planning to be in London during the Summer and would have been visiting the area. What put me off was the ''When , not if'' warning about terror attacks . With that in mind it's understandable that people wondered if this was more terror .

I had to go to London last year when there were warnings about "when" an attack would happen, still used the underground when a colleague refused and took the bus everywhere. You just have to take your chances but if that risk is too much then I guess its better you feel more secure.

I have lived near Russell Square in the past, its a safe enough area in my eyes, if you are going to London to visit friends or if its for work, do go down that area, the Brit museum is there and nice public gardens.

mzungu

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I remember the Swedes House Mafia terrorist attack in the park a while back. Oh wait, it was just a drunk.

That was audio terrorism.

Widdershins

failinis wrote: »

I had to go to London last year when there were warnings about "when" an attack would happen, still used the underground when a colleague refused and took the bus everywhere. You just have to take your chances but if that risk is too much then I guess its better you feel more secure.

I have lived near Russell Square in the past, its a safe enough area in my eyes, if you are going to London to visit friends or if its for work, do go down that area, the Brit museum is there and nice public gardens.

I know it's generally nice and safe. I have the choice -if I had to go for work it would be different . Since I don't have to, I am happier to wait until it's not at the second highest terror threat . I would enjoy it more.

Butters1979

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I remember the Swedes House Mafia terrorist attack in the park a while back. Oh wait, it was just a drunk.

I remember 81 men, women and children run over by a truck in nice a few weeks ago, but it was by some crazed loner, who didn't even practice religion.
Forget the fact later it emerged several people supplied him with weapons or knew of his intentions and said nothing. And he pledged allegiance to Isis.

We can all use individual events for argument either side. Individual events do not prove or disprove the opinions on the larger issue. Again, it's just deflection.

Timberrrrrrrr

Butters1979 wrote: »

People can speculate all they like. This is an Internet forum. Yes stabbings happen everyday, most of these are either mugging or gang related, or the victims know their attackers.

This is a mass stabbing towards random victims. This does not happen everyday, and is either some very dangerous crazy person, or is a terrorist attack. Or both.

The police have given us no reasons or motive yet , which is why people are speculating. Recent history has give people reasons for this speculation. You are trying to stop discussion about a very real issue, by using deflection and shame tactics.

Anyone remember the big thread about the terrorist attack in Temple Bar a while back?

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/man-fights-for-life-as-four-stabbed-on-night-of-chaos-in-temple-bar-31336648.html

Roger Hassenforder

Guardian quoting police as saying its a Norwegian national of Somali origin

Shenshen

Butters1979 wrote: »

I remember 81 men, women and children run over by a truck in nice a few weeks ago, but it was by some crazed loner, who didn't even practice religion.
Forget the fact later it emerged several people supplied him with weapons or knew of his intentions and said nothing. And he pledged allrgience to Isis.

We can all use individual events for argument either side. Individual events do not prove or disprove the opinions on the larger issue. Again, it's just deflection.

And once the media confirm that there's an Islamist connection, and you get your happy "told you so!" moment online ... what difference will it make to your life?

A woman is dead, and some people worry that innocents will suffer as a result. I'm not sure what deflection you're seeing here.

Grayson

The thing that struck me about the police statement was that he mentioned a mentally disturbed person who should have been in a hospital. I wonder if it was a comment on Cameron's cut backs to the health service.

Widdershins

How many people have they arrested ? One witness said a ''chubby faced white man '', another :''Zuhair Awartani was trying to return to a hotel where he was staying when he saw a "dark-skinned man" in his "late 20s" being arrested.''

Beefy78

Deleted User wrote: »

What does the name have to do with anything, anyway? Knife crimes and stabbings have been happening in London and, I believe, this isn't the first of such attacks. The only reason we're hearing about it is because the world is eager to jump at claims of terrorism. Otherwise it'd be a couple-word writeup on the sidebar of a tabloid newspaper.

There are 30 knife crimes in London every day.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-36411782

The horrible incident in Russell Square was actually the second mass stabbing resulting in a death in London just yesterday. The first for some reason didn't make the headlines.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/03/man-dies-wandsworth-south-london-stabbing

There's no real need to wait on the name in order to know if the attacker last night was a Muslim man or not. If he wasn't then it wouldn't have made the news, it would just be another on the long list of horrible knife attacks in London.

Smondie

A Norwegian solmalian with a house in London.

He gets around.

Smondie

A Norwegian solmalian with a house in London.

He gets around.

Timberrrrrrrr

Beefy78 wrote: »

There are 30 knife crimes in London every day.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-36411782

The horrible incident in Russell Square was actually the second mass stabbing resulting in a death in London just yesterday. The first for some reason didn't make the headlines.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/03/man-dies-wandsworth-south-london-stabbing

There's no real need to wait on the name in order to know if the attacker last night was a Muslim man or not. If he wasn't then it wouldn't have made the news, it would just be another on the long list of horrible knife attacks in London.

Put away the pitch forks lads

http://m.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/london-knife-attack-woman-killed-in-stabbing-rampage-was-us-citizen-34938426.html

Meanwhile, a woman who witnessed the aftermath of the Russell Square stabbings has told how she saw a black man running away from police, carrying a knife with blood on his hands.

no evidence has been found of radicalisation that would suggest the man in custody was "in any way motivated by terrorism".

Mr. CooL ICE

conorhal wrote: »

It doesn't seem to stop you demonizing mentally ill people though, that's fine it seems.

Mod:

The poster you are quoting did nothing of the sort. Drop it.

Alive1

Butters1979 wrote: »

You are trying to stop discussion about a very real issue, by using deflection and shame tactics.

Any examples of that pathetic claim??

A Little Pony

Lucky he didn't have a machine gun.

failinis

failinis wrote: »

I had to go to London last year when there were warnings about "when" an attack would happen, still used the underground when a colleague refused and took the bus everywhere. You just have to take your chances but if that risk is too much then I guess its better you feel more secure.

I have lived near Russell Square in the past, its a safe enough area in my eyes, if you are going to London to visit friends or if its for work, do go down that area, the Brit museum is there and nice public gardens.

I was at a festival recently in London, with "when" still in the air, and I got on the underground, stayed with crowds of people, heck, even had a Muslim staying in the hostel room with me and, as it turned out, the hostel was actually in an area populated by Muslims and other religions, all in their religious garbs.

And not once did the possibility of a terrorist attack happening enter my head. Why? Because, realistically I'm much more likely to get killed by a car while crossing the road here in Galway than I am of dying/being injured in a terrorist attack anywhere else. But it wouldn't stop me from going outside and crossing the road, so why should it stop me from travelling?

Alive1

A Little Pony wrote: »

Lucky he didn't have a machine gun.

I wouldnt imagine it would be that easy for a mentally disturbed forigner to get their hands on a machine gun in London.

Butters1979

Shenshen wrote: »

And once the media confirm that there's an Islamist connection, and you get your happy "told you so!" moment online ... what difference will it make to your life?

A woman is dead, and some people worry that innocents will suffer as a result. I'm not sure what deflection you're seeing here.

More guilt and deflection bull****ology. Show me where I ever sad what it was. I never said it was a terrorist attack, nor would I be happy if it turned out to be so there would be no 'told you so' from me.
I specifically said it could be more that one thing. My point was there is good reason to suspect it might have been terrorist, or that it might have been a crazy person. We can't discuss that with the same people on here every day trying to shut down those discussions.

Harry Palmr

RobertKK wrote: »

Claims the person responsible was a middle eastern man.

lertsnim wrote: »

Did they say where they got that from? The American news channels are always quick to scream terrorism.

Bobthefireman wrote: »

My money is on Mohammad being involved somewhere.

shedweller wrote: »

Ah here. They are falling over themselves to say its not islamic terrorism or just islamic nutjobs.
And nobody is downplaying. Haha!

A Little Pony wrote: »

Lucky he didn't have a machine gun.

Welcome to After Hours 2016.

The suspect left Norway in 2002 according to the Norwegian fuzz and given he is only 19 that means he has basically grown up in England.