Knife Attack London

Butters1979

Alive1 wrote: »

Any examples of that pathetic claim??

In the post of yours I quoted.

Alive1

Butters1979 wrote: »

In the post of yours I quoted.

I'll take that as no then, as expressing sympathy for the victim is hardly trying to shut a discussion down or guilt tripping anyone.

Butters1979

Alive1 wrote: »

I'll take that as no then, as expressing sympathy for the victim is hardly trying to shut a discussion down or guilt tripping anyone.

No you won't take it as no. You expressed 'sympathy' for the victim in a way of accusing someone else of not doing so, so as to deflect from their point in the first place. Counter their point instead of just implying someone has no sympathy for the victims because they have a different point of view to you. That's what's pathetic.

Alive1

Butters1979 wrote: »

No you won't take it as no. You expressed 'sympathy' for the victim in a way of accusing someone else of not doing so, so as to deflect from their point in the first place. Counter their point instead of just implying someone has no sympathy for the victims because they have a different point of view to you. That's what's pathetic.

My veiw being that i reported what the police and the BBC said???
Or you going for me because I chose to express sympathy and an RIP for the victim?
Enough of the personal digs at me , they are unwarranted.

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Welcome to After Hours 2016.

The suspect left Norway in 2002 according to the Norwegian fuzz and given he is only 19 that means he has basically grown up in England.

Not just "After Hours 2016", but the media as well. I mean, CNN have already labeled it a "terrorist" attack, with zero evidence to back up this claim.

Someone has been arrested for this crime and they'll be treated and, likely, jailed accordingly or, at least, will never see the outside of a psychological hospital, if it is deemed that they are mentally ill.

Butters1979

Alive1 wrote: »

My veiw being that i reported what the police and the BBC said???
Or you going for me because I chose to express sympathy and an RIP for the victim?
Enough of the personal digs at me , they are unwarranted.

I'm responding to your posts. Not one personnel attack on you. And it's the way you chose to use sympathy for the victims as a tool to retort someone else and imply they did not have is sympathy is what I find so vile. So stop claiming personnel digs. Another deflection.

Alive1 wrote: »

Pretty sick thing to say.
A woman is dead, a family are mourning, people are injured.
Thats all that matters right now, and RIP to the poor victim.

You told them it was a 'sick thing to say' followed it up with how someone was dead implying they don't care about that then said 'that's all that matters right now'. That is exactly what trying to shut down discussion is.

Shenshen

Butters1979 wrote: »

More guilt and deflection bull****ology. Show me where I ever sad what it was. I never said it was a terrorist attack, nor would I be happy if it turned out to be so there would be no 'told you so' from me.
I specifically said it could be more that one thing. My point was there is good reason to suspect it might have been terrorist, or that it might have been a crazy person. We can't discuss that with the same people on here every day trying to shut down those discussions.

Please explain to me what I was trying to deflect from?
As there would be very few reasons I can think of for anyone not radicalised or insane (or both) to go out and kill random strangers, and people have been discussing this for 8 pages now, what exactly is it you feel can't be discussed?

Butters1979

Shenshen wrote: »

Please explain to me what I was trying to deflect from?
As there would be very few reasons I can think of for anyone not radicalised or insane (or both) to go out and kill random strangers, and people have been discussing this for 8 pages now, what exactly is it you feel can't be discussed?

You tried to say I would be happy if it was Islamic related and would be on here saying I told you so. I never said it was Islamic related I said it could be one of two things. So why would I be happy if it was. And even if I did predict it was Islamic related why would I be happy? Bassically you either didn't read what I said or purposely chose to distort it. Just read your reply to me.

People are genuinely concerned about this issue and anyone discussing that concern here gets accused of being delighted when it happens, of pushing some agenda and of not having concern for he victims. That's why I feel it can't be discussed. It happens in every thread. The same people trying to deflect away from the discussion by arguing the nationality, demanding statistics, suggesting as Irish we can't criticise terrorist because of the IRA histroy, talking about your chances of a car crash or just downright implying we're talking pleasure in all this. Believe me I am not. I wish this stuff wasn't happening and we didn't have these threads. But here we are and once again it's full of people trying to suppress the issue.

The_Kew_Tour

The Gentleman is of Somalian decent.

No surprise really

Alive1

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

The Gentleman is of Somalian decent.

No surprise really

Why?
Really why?
The London Metropolitan Police are still saying mental health issue is their main focus.
Or are you implying that all persons of Somalian descent pose a threat to the world???

Alive1

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36972126

A man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a US citizen was killed and five other people were injured in a knife attack in central London.
Police believe the attack in Russell Square on Wednesday was "spontaneous", with victims "selected at random".
The woman who died was thought to be in her 60s. The injured people were from Britain, America, Israel and Australia.
Police arrested a 19-year-old Norwegian national of Somali origin. They say there is no evidence of radicalisation.
The Met Police's assistant commissioner for specialist operations, Mark Rowley, said the investigation "increasingly points" to the attack being "triggered by mental health issues".

The_Kew_Tour

Alive1 wrote: »

Why?
Really why?
The London Metropolitan Police are still saying mental health issue is their main focus.
Or are you implying that all persons of Somalian descent pose a threat to the world???

Well I have been to Somalia,I have dealt with quite a few and yes many are off their head.

Mental health issue is a poor lame excuse. It's amazing that many have mental health issues bur continue to murder and kill.

Ask people from Scandinavia what they think of Somalian refugees too. Most won't have much nice things to say.

Alive1

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Mental health issue is a poor lame excuse.

A lame excuse for what, being unstable??
By there very nature certain, not all, but certain mental health issues can cause people to become extremely violent

Fabb

It is funny how most people with mental health issues usually lock themselves away and contemplate suicide.

Beefy78

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Well I have been to Somalia,I have dealt with quite a few and yes many are off their head.

Mental health issue is a poor lame excuse. It's amazing that many have mental health issues bur continue to murder and kill.

Ask people from Scandinavia what they think of Somalian refugees too. Most won't have much nice things to say.

Mo Farah turned out alright

mewe

The_Kew_Tour wrote:

Well I have been to Somalia,I have dealt with quite a few and yes many are off their head.

The_Kew_Tour wrote:

Mental health issue is a poor lame excuse. It's amazing that many have mental health issues bur continue to murder and kill.

I think you're off your head after reading that post.

BalcombeSt4

RobertKK wrote: »

Claims the person responsible was a middle eastern man.

Hopefully he's just an insane Middle Eastern man and not a terrorist Middle Eastern man.

Timberrrrrrrr

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

The Gentleman is of Somalian decent.

No surprise really

Why?

The_Kew_Tour

Alive1 wrote: »

A lame excuse for what, being unstable??
By there very nature certain, not all, but certain mental health issues can cause people to become extremely violent

Beefy78 wrote: »

Mo Farah turned out alright

He killed an American, hurted a Jewish Person and Australian.

I suppose its just sheer coincidence again, oh ya im off my head. Im off to murder few people I dont like and call it Mental Health issue, sure you just said im off my head;)

im tad sarcastic

Alive1

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Hopefully he's just an insane Middle Eastern man and not a terrorist Middle Eastern man.

Hes Norwegian,
Norway is not in the Middle East its in Northern Europe.

BalcombeSt4

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Well I have been to Somalia,I have dealt with quite a few and yes many are off their head.

Mental health issue is a poor lame excuse. It's amazing that many have mental health issues bur continue to murder and kill.

Ask people from Scandinavia what they think of Somalian refugees too. Most won't have much nice things to say.

Lmao. What so you were just wondering around Somalia looking for mnetally ill people to gawk at for no reason?

The_Kew_Tour

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Lmao. What so you were just wondering around Somalia looking for mnetally ill people to gawk at for no reason?

your post makes no sense whatsoever

The_Kew_Tour

Alive1 wrote: »

Hes Norwegian,
Norway is not in the Middle East its in Northern Europe.

I was born in a stable. Im a horse am I?:pac::pac:

The_Kew_Tour

Beefy78 wrote: »

Mo Farah turned out alright

Did He? really?

Alive1

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

He killed an American, hurted a Jewish Person and Australian.

I suppose its just sheer coincidence again, oh ya im off my head. Im off to murder few people I dont like and call it Mental Health issue, sure you just said im off my head;)

im tad sarcastic

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36972126

A man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a US citizen was killed and five other people were injured in a knife attack in central London.
Police believe the attack in Russell Square on Wednesday was "spontaneous", with victims "selected at random".

Random, spontaneous.
I apologise if the facts do not suit you well recorded Islamaphobic agenda.

BalcombeSt4

Alive1 wrote: »

Hes Norwegian,
Norway is not in the Middle East its in Northern Europe.

Whats all this Somalia business then? I will not feel safe until somene can confirm he is not from the Middle East.

Timberrrrrrrr

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

He killed an American, hurted a Jewish Person and Australian.

I suppose its just sheer coincidence again, oh ya im off my head. Im off to murder few people I dont like and call it Mental Health issue, sure you just said im off my head;)

im tad sarcastic

Are you claiming to know more than the assistant commissioner?

Metropolitan Police Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley said it appeared terrorism was not a motive in the Russell Square attack.

He said: "Whilst the investigation is not yet complete, all of the work we have done so far increasingly points to this tragic incident having been triggered by mental health issues."

Mr Rowley described it as a "spontaneous attack and the victims were selected at random".

Widdershins

Deleted User wrote: »

I was at a festival recently in London, with "when" still in the air, and I got on the underground, stayed with crowds of people, heck, even had a Muslim staying in the hostel room with me and, as it turned out, the hostel was actually in an area populated by Muslims and other religions, all in their religious garbs.

And not once did the possibility of a terrorist attack happening enter my head. Why? Because, realistically I'm much more likely to get killed by a car while crossing the road here in Galway than I am of dying/being injured in a terrorist attack anywhere else. But it wouldn't stop me from going outside and crossing the road, so why should it stop me from travelling?

Since Failinis was responding to my post about my choice not to London travel during a high level security threat , I will answer . Basically it's down to individual preferences . If someone is afraid that is their business . I would think the element of not having any control is a factor in that . You can choose whether to speed, make dangerous overtaking maneouvers, wear your seatbelt , drive under the influence , or other things that affect your risk of dying on the road . Most accidents are down to one of those things .

There is also the element of the atmosphere of a place . I personally prefer not to visit a city where people are either afraid or have to be defiant in the face of a threat .BUT visiting London meant little to me and it was an easy choice .

Go , don't go , it's your choice . It's not an achievement either way . There are no medals . I could not care less and I am surprised it concerns people whether the rest of us go or not . It's actually nobody's business .

Widdershins

Widdershins wrote: »

Since Failinis was responding to my post about my choice not to London travel during a high level security threat , I will answer . Basically it's down to individual preferences . If someone is afraid that is their business . I would think the element of not having any control is a factor in that . You can choose whether to speed, make dangerous overtaking maneouvers, wear your seatbelt , drive under the influence , or other things that affect your risk of dying on the road . Most accidents are down to one of those things .

You have zero choice over a car knocking you down as you cross the road or walk on the footpath, so are you going to lock yourself indoors?

The point I'm making is that living in a world of fear and stopping yourself from doing said activities is giving exactly what the terrorists you're afraid of want.

You're right, it is down to your own individual preferences and I am answering based on my own opinion.

donegal.

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

The Gentleman is of Somalian decent.

No surprise really

theres about 30 knife attacks in London everyday but when this hit the news my first thought I bet he's somali

DEFTLEFTHAND

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Whats all this Somalia business then? I will not feel safe until somene can confirm he is not from the Middle East.

Somalian immigrant to Norway is what all the major outlets are now reporting.

Widdershins

Deleted User wrote: »

You have zero choice over a car knocking you down as you cross the road or walk on the footpath, so are you going to lock yourself indoors?

The point I'm making is that living in a world of fear and stopping yourself from doing said activities is giving exactly what the terrorists you're afraid of want.

You're right, it is down to your own individual preferences and I am answering based on my own opinion.

You're assuming people are terrified . There is no ''wor of fear '' for lots of people therefore they don't need to prove themselves or make a point. I've seen no evidence of anyone locking themselves in or modifying their routine out of fear . As I said maybe it-London or Paris - just doesn't seem attractive under the circumstance . I'm not going to be knocked down , it's easy enough to look both ways .I couldn't care less about the ''that's what they want '' line, it's an irritating soundbite. Do what you want . Less of the assumptions and preaching please .

Beefy78

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

He killed an American, hurted a Jewish Person and Australian.

Mo Farah? He seemed like such a nice lad.

jackofalltrades

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Because the usual troglodytes are slavering at the mouth waiting to blame a Muslim for a "terrorist" attack.

Insults, yeah that's just what a thread of speculation and jumping the gun needed.

The_Kew_Tour

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I was born in a stable. Im a horse am I?:pac::pac:

Where was the stable?

donegal.

Deleted User wrote: »

Where was the stable?

born in a stable? sounds very middle eastern to me , probably a terrorist

The_Kew_Tour

Alive1 wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36972126

A man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a US citizen was killed and five other people were injured in a knife attack in central London.
Police believe the attack in Russell Square on Wednesday was "spontaneous", with victims "selected at random".

Random, spontaneous.
I apologise if the facts do not suit you well recorded Islamaphobic agenda.

Im sorry if your Anti Semitic posts dont suit your agenda

donegal.

donegal. wrote: »

born in a stable? sounds very middle eastern to me , probably a terrorist

I'd never think of people being from Kerry and the Healey-Raes as being terrorists, but maybe that's just me.

Alive1

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Im sorry if your Anti Semitic posts dont suit your agenda

Post makes no logical sense in English language.
Are you perchance a Syrian refugee or other immigrant???

Butters1979

Alive1 wrote: »

Hes Norwegian,
Norway is not in the Middle East its in Northern Europe.

So it's not Muslim migrants who are going around killing innocent westerners. It's only their offspring. So that's fine then. Can't wait for the next generation.

And Somalia isn't in the Middle East either.

The_Kew_Tour

Alive1 wrote: »

Post makes no logical sense in English language.
Are you perchance a Syrian refugee or other immigrant???

You're does not go

LuckyRoche

Alive1 wrote: »

Hes Norwegian,
Norway is not in the Middle East its in Northern Europe.

Somalian immigrant. Somebody born in Somalia and who is ethnically Somali is.....

Norwegian?

Harry Palmr

Someone please put this thread out of our misery.

LuckyRoche

Deleted User wrote: »

What does the name have to do with anything, anyway? Knife crimes and stabbings have been happening in London and, I believe, this isn't the first of such attacks. The only reason we're hearing about it is because the world is eager to jump at claims of terrorism. Otherwise it'd be a couple-word writeup on the sidebar of a tabloid newspaper.

The important aspect here is people getting stabbed by strangers.

Two gangsta kids slashing each other to ribbons over 'gang debts' etc does not concern me that much because there is motive and me, being a random stranger is not likely to get involved.

A random stranger getting slashed to ribbons Would concern me and these incidents usually makes headline's (if only local) because that could be anyone therefore presenting a higher safety risk to everyone in the community.

Within this context, we have a pretty low rate for these kinds of attacks. Yes there is a violence problem within London but many of these attacks are contained within troubled communities and are between people engaging each other.

It's perfectly normal for these random and wanton acts of extreme random violence to get coverage. They were relatively unusual up until relatively recently.

Manic Moran

Noveight wrote: »

Six or so minutes between being called and making an arrest.

Fair play to them.

Not bad. But then, that's in the middle of a major city. You'd hope they can do it in about that amount of time.

Little CuChulainn

LuckyRoche wrote: »

The important aspect here is people getting stabbed by strangers.

Two gangsta kids slashing each other to ribbons over 'gang debts' etc does not concern me that much because there is motive and me, being a random stranger is not likely to get involved.

A random stranger getting slashed to ribbons Would concern me and these incidents usually makes headline's (if only local) because that could be anyone therefore presenting a higher safety risk to everyone in the community.

Within this context, we have a pretty low rate for these kinds of attacks. Yes there is a violence problem within London but many of these attacks are contained within troubled communities and are between people engaging each other.

It's perfectly normal for these random and wanton acts of extreme random violence to get coverage. They were relatively unusual up until relatively recently.

No they weren't. You can find plenty of mass stabbings, shootings and bombings unconnected with terrorism every year across the world.

The_Kew_Tour

Name these "mass" bombings?

Little CuChulainn

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Name these "mass" bombings?

• Mass stabbings
• Shootings
• Bombings

Hope that clarifies it for you.

BlaasForRafa

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

bombings unconnected with terrorism every year across the world.

Name 20 this year.

Samaris

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Name 20 this year.

..that's oddly specific. Afraid if you give any lower numbers for a very specific form of attack for a seven-month period it might actually be doable?

Having said that, bombing in particular is a particularly terrorism-related stunt. Loud, many casualties, scares the crap out of people. And there are many different variations of terrorism in the world, even though I suspect Islamic terrorism was what was being discussed.

I think we both know that if you'd been somewhat fair in your challenge and actually let him have even 100 non-terrorism relating stabbings/shootings/bombings, he wouldn't raise a sweat.