Arrow/The Flash/Legends of Tomorrow/Supergirl SUPERTHREAD [***SPOILERS - The CW***]

sky88

for me legends is the only must watch of the shows left.

Flash is still watchable as is supergirl.

Arrow started off good in season 6 but once the team started fighting it was a disaster and i just had to drop it but ill be wiilling to give s7 another go.

never got into black lightening at all

sky88

Forgot to mention that i think that all the shows bar legends & black lightening need to cut the number of episodes in a season. 22 is far too much at least down to 18 would cut out a lot of the filler episodes.

pixelburp

Absolutely, and it's a problem across the board with most Network shows ATM; between HBO and the various streaming services, there's plenty of evidence about how lean & punchy shows become when the flab is cut from their seasons.

EoinMcLovin

sky88 wrote: »

Forgot to mention that i think that all the shows bar legends & black lightening need to cut the number of episodes in a season. 22 is far too much at least down to 18 would cut out a lot of the filler episodes.

Totally agree on this. What about splitting the seasons like they do with Suits. Do 9 episodes in the fall like usual but then have the other 9 air sometime in March. It would mean a longer break but they could have separate storylines for each half like Agents of Shield did in season 4 having 3 different pods (Ghost Rider, LMD and Agents of Hydra)

Also Starring LeVar Burton

Yeah, shortened seasons would solve a lot of the issues they've been having.

pixelburp

The fact that in 4 seasons of The Flash, nobody has repaired the roof of Star Labs always feels a little emblematic of just how staid and rigid the CW formula is at this stage. They literally won't make the slightest cosmetic tweak to the show for the sake of some / any development.

Lithium93_

According to TVLine,

Keiynan Lonsdale

will be leaving Legends Of Tomorrow after it's 4th Season Premier.

Penn

Lithium93_ wrote: »

According to TVLine,

Keiynan Lonsdale

will be leaving Legends Of Tomorrow after it's 4th Season Premier.

"I've finally found somewhere I belong.... I'm leaving now. Bye!"

Poor Wally. Though admittedly if Constantine is joining and Ava is staying on as a series regular, show would have been bloated. Makes sense to get rid of Wally.

EoinMcLovin

Batwoman Series in Development at CW, if picked up will air in 2019.
Makes complete sense as the crossover could act as the pilot

https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/batwoman-series-cw-1202874978/

pixelburp

Getting ahead of themselves a little though, aren't they? Would prefer they tighten up the shows they do have, instead of spreading themselves even further.

EoinMcLovin

pixelburp wrote: »

Getting ahead of themselves a little though, aren't they? Would prefer they tighten up the shows they do have, instead of spreading themselves even further.

And Berlanti is producing it too

Lithium93_

So the Legends Of Tomorrow writing team started an Instagram account, and well he's back .

https://www.instagram.com/legends_of_tomorrow_writers/?utm_source=ig_embed

Lithium93_

The crossover this year is being moved to Episode 9 of all shows, bar

Legends Of Tomorrow

as they won't be involved in said crossover, and the reason it's being moved forward an episode is due to The Flash's 5x08 episode, which is the shows 100th episode and the producers of the show want to mark it without it being part of the story being told in this year's crossover.

EoinMcLovin

Ruby Rose has been cast as Batwoman
https://deadline.com/2018/08/ruby-rose-cast-batwoman-the-cw-dc-crossover-tv-series-lesbian-superhero-arrowverse-1202441696/

pixelburp

Only know her from John Wick 2, but given she played a mute, it didn't exactly give much indication of her acting ability. Fans of Orange is the New Black don't seem to be as kind

EoinMcLovin

Lithium93_

Superman & Lois Lane

confirmed to appear in the Crossover this December.

martingriff

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Superman & Lois Lane

confirmed to appear in the Crossover this December.

So does this confirm what earth it is on

EoinMcLovin

martingriff wrote: »

So does this confirm what earth it is on

Yeah I'd say the crossover event happens in Earth 38 and Batwoman is from that Earth.

EoinMcLovin

Elizabeth Tulloch has been cast as

Lois Lane

TVLine

EoinMcLovin

Jeremy Davies to play

Jeremy Davies, the big bad

TVLine


Cassandra Jean Amell who is Stephen Amell's wife  

will play Nora Fries

TVLine

Penn

EoinMcLovin wrote: »

Jeremy Davies to play

Jeremy Davies, the big bad

TVLine


Cassandra Jean Amell who is Stephen Amell's wife  

will play Nora Fries

TVLine

Jeremy Davis is a great actor. Have liked him in pretty much everything I've seen him in.

EoinMcLovin

This year's event is called Elseworlds and LaMonica Garrett (Designated Survivor) will appear in the crossover as

Mar Novu aka The Monitor, “an extraterrestrial being of infinite power

TvLine

pixelburp

First photo of Batwoman has been released:

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/xjjw4ahpjzd5sjzmn0nf.png

HandsomeBob

Seen that but I must be missing something.... Looks like concept art to me!

pixelburp

It's official from the CW, I'd say it has just been overly airbrushed.

EoinMcLovin

Official poster for Crossover event

HandsomeBob

Jon Cryer of Two and a Half Men fame has been cast as Lex Luthor.... Lol

EoinMcLovin

All 3 promos for elseworlds event

There was a spoiler in thumbnail for this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a058h7VoIh8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwlYj37qits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc4oMTTrbo0

pixelburp

Ah it's that time of year again: when I suddenly have to give a sh*t about Arrow, and get vaguely up to speed so I'm not totally lost when Character X starts bantering with Cisco At least this year that crash-course won't require the Legends!

Doctor DooM

Me too. I don't have nearly enough time to check out the full series but I love the crossovers!

pixelburp

Arrow confirmed to finish at the end of a shortened (10 episodes) season 8.

terryduff12

Shame haven't finished watching last season, let down by poor writing no more than the rest of them. They wont last either.

Agent Coulson

I'd rather it was The Flash The Iris West Allen show that was cancelled it surely can't be to far behind in the cancellation stakes.


The only show worth saving is Legends.

martingriff

terryduff12 wrote: »

Shame haven't finished watching last season, let down by poor writing no more than the rest of them. They wont last either.

Last season was not bad this season is much better. Wonder what DC show will be next

martingriff

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I'd rather it was The Flash The Iris West Allen show that was cancelled it surely can't be to far behind in the cancellation stakes.


The only show worth saving is Legends.

I think the Flash has been okay this year. Yes there are thing wrong with it. Cicada was a bit strange but with hints that

Grace could be Cicada by controlling her Uncle and later when he is caught herself it's easy to see why Cicada acts like a 5 year old

.

There is a episode coming up in relation to meta human who killed her parents and Cicada will be wrapped in 2 episodes

The Godspeed episode will be the start of the Reverse Flash arc that will not end until Crisis at least

RobbingBandit

Would like to see the crossover next season be the end with a Justice League TV show reboot or a Superman Batman Worlds Finest show. Arrow had run its course in the current version with the crossover potentially having a deadbolt effect across the entire CW universe.

I'd do the crossover over the course of the full 10 episodes given the storyline is such a significant one it would be a terrible waste to do it in 3/4 show based episodes.

pixelburp

The speculation is that Arrow will die at the end of the Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover, which would certainly put a definitive capper on the story. I guess then the "brooding vigilante" checkbox in CW's roster will be filled by Batwoman, though honestly not looking forward to that based on Ruby Roses outing this year.

martingriff

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Would like to see the crossover next season be the end with a Justice League TV show reboot or a Superman Batman Worlds Finest show. Arrow had run its course in the current version with the crossover potentially having a deadbolt effect across the entire CW universe.

I'd do the crossover over the course of the full 10 episodes given the storyline is such a significant one it would be a terrible waste to do it in 3/4 show based episodes.

The story I give you is significant but that would be 40 episodes for Crisis even the comic was not that big. That be the worse then Peter Jackson stretching out the Hobbit to 3 3 hour movies

Crisis will be 4 to 8 hours long at most and that is plenty

martingriff

pixelburp wrote: »

The speculation is that Arrow will die at the end of the Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover, which would certainly put a definitive capper on the story. I guess then the "brooding vigilante" checkbox in CW's roster will be filled by Batwoman, though honestly not looking forward to that based on Ruby Roses outing this year.

I say there next outing will be

Birds of Prey

depending how

the episode of it

goes on Arrow.

Would mean the end of Legends if Sara is part of it but do not see them ending 2 DC shows in 1 year

It is unlikely but could do the future storyline as its own story with Mia & William as some superheros not as Arrow or a Canary.

Potential-Monke

Ok, so I was up to date with all the shows, but I haven't seen last years for any of the 4. Did I miss much? Should I go back and watch them all? I went into a pure Anime mode for the last 18 months, so I'm behind on a lot and wondering if it's worth continuing with this.

Spon Farmer

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I'd rather it was The Flash The Iris West Allen show that was cancelled it surely can't be to far behind in the cancellation stakes.


The only show worth saving is Legends.

Has something changed in the last two years?

I gave it a season and a half but it went not great to woeful.

A bunch of superheroes who never barely use their powers time travelling for no reason with no consequences.

I'm only one episode in on the latest seasons of The Flash and Supergirl (Arrow later today) and I've always liked and enjoyed them but the same problem remains - Barry and Kara still have too big a support team. And yes - Iris. A badly written cliche. And how many times is Wally going to show up only to leave t "find himself" before he actually f***s off. :rolleyes:

Black Lightning bugs me. The characters and story are great but every action sequence (except with Tobias) is badly staged or dull, there is very little superheroing going on. The runaway story arc went on too long (probably because Jefferson doesn't realise he can walk faster than levitating :rolleyes:). Gambi is a Mary Sue but ridiculously likeable (anyone notice "Uncle Gambi" has never been to dinner or probably even in the house, the daughters never even mentioned his name until Anissa was brought to the Sanctum). I do enjoy Tobias Whale's racist slurs. :eek:

The White Wolf

Used to love the Flash but lost interest this season early on. Just watched the latest episode however and what a pile of ****e. They've made Iris unbearable again.

Spon Farmer

The White Wolf wrote: »

Used to love the Flash but lost interest this season early on. Just watched the latest episode however and what a pile of ****e. They've made Iris unbearable again.

Wait, what???

Iris was bearable? When?:eek:

pixelburp

Iris just needs a purpose; the actor is presumably signed up for now til eternity, and you can't kill her off without repurcussions. The constant job changes clearly screams of a writing staff that can't figure out where to put her - the obvious always being missed it seems (send her to CCPD, and have her work under Joe). Instead, her starting her own newspaper is .. well, it's kinda babyish in its writing.

The White Wolf

Spon Farmer wrote: »

Wait, what???

Iris was bearable? When?:eek:

Thought she improved a bit after season 1/2 but that's just imo of course.

Spon Farmer

pixelburp wrote: »

Iris just needs a purpose; the actor is presumably signed up for now til eternity, and you can't kill her off without repurcussions. The constant job changes clearly screams of a writing staff that can't figure out where to put her - the obvious always being missed it seems (send her to CCPD, and have her work under Joe). Instead, her starting her own newspaper is .. well, it's kinda babyish in its writing.

I didn't want spoilers but anything to do with Iris isn't a spoiler because she matter at all.

At least that means (I assume) that she is out of Starlabs and that joke of an idea that she is in charge.

And yes , I agree - clearly no one behind the scenes had any idea what to do with her. The main cast is simply on Arrow, Supergirl and The Flash is just way too big. I like most of the characters but they don't need to be around all the time. The hero life needs to be a struggle balancing both sides - in these shows it simply isn't.

Black Lightning has problems - they need to improve the action scenes and get in a couple minor superpowers crooks of the week but they have lessons to teach the other shows - have a purpose for all your characters and don't rush it, have the masked life impact on the public one and one don't have half the world knowing the secret identities of the heroes.

Still though - I enjoy the hell out of them all (except Legends of Tomorrow - I gave up).

sky88

honestly feel nora being more unbearable has made Iris feel such a better character

The White Wolf

sky88 wrote: »

honestly feel nora being more unbearable has made Iris feel such a better character

I think part of the problem is that they cast actors to fit the universe they've built as opposed to fitting the character. Only dawned on me recently that the Arrowverse is full of overly peppy or melodramatic sorts.

pixelburp

Jimmy Olsen is in the exact same boat on Supergirl: he's a main character, but the writers clearly struggle knowing what to do with him. Lena kinda floated in that area too, but season 4 has actually made her something of a standout character (particularly once

Lex turns up

).

I kinda sympathise with the writers here & suspect it's often not their fault: the studio and shows' contracts are the leaders here, effectively dictating the character sandbox the writers can play with. Iris & Olsen had their roles back in season 1 - basically romantic bullseyes - and removed of that they're just kinda ... there.