Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

NukaCola

corwill wrote: »

I've been happier to give Klopp more of a pass on the continuing preponderance of defensive errors, because of the massive progress that's been made in every other element of our play, which in turn means that the defensive errors that do occur end up costing us less.

Whereas over the last year and a bit under Rodgers, and especially from March '15 onward, those errors were accompanied by deteriorating competence in all other areas.

Context is key is when looking at such trends.

I didn't really want to make this about BR v Klopp, I was just saying in general its very hard to coach out or account for individual mistakes regardless of context.......

Knex*

Coutinho was phenomenal yesterday, and that's probably not doing him justice.

I also quite enjoyed the Palace fans shouting, "Steeeeve", every time Mandanda made a save.

rob316

I wouldn't be too hard on Lovren, he has come on leaps and bounds under Klopp keeper should of done far better too.

Moreno was once again guilty of not closing down his man and allowing the cross, this hand behind his back thing on the edge of the box drives me mad.
But Klopp has already concluded he is not good enough to be first choice so it's not a big issue for me as Milner has been a revelation at LB.

corwill

NukaCola wrote: »

I didn't really want to make this about BR v Klopp, I was just saying in general its very hard to coach out or account for individual mistakes regardless of context.......

Regrettably, the thread keeps being brought back around to it, though.

redzerdrog

BR v Klopp should never be thing

Its not fair on BR that he got a job far above his station. He is now at his level and hopefully carves out a successful career at that level

corwill

corwill wrote: »

Regrettably, the thread keeps being brought back around to it, though.

You seem willing to cintribute, regrettably presumably?

corwill wrote: »

I've been happier to give Klopp more of a pass on the continuing preponderance of defensive errors, because of the massive progress that's been made in every other element of our play, which in turn means that the defensive errors that do occur end up costing us less.

Whereas over the last year and a bit under Rodgers, and especially from March '15 onward, those errors were accompanied by deteriorating competence in all other areas.

Context is key is when looking at such trends.

Knex*

Lads, we're joint top of the league, playing great football, and its a bank holiday weekend. Relax and lighten up a bit!

livinginkorea

Knex. wrote: »

Lads, we're joint top of the league, playing great football, and its a bank holiday weekend. Relax and lighten up a bit!

Some of us have to work tomorrow But off Tuesday

Harry Palmr

Allan is starting for Hertha Berlin right as I type. It's "available"

whatawaster

redzerdrog wrote: »

BR v Klopp should never be thing

Its not fair on BR that he got a job far above his station. He is now at his level and hopefully carves out a successful career at that level

This makes it sounds like Rodgers was a complete failure at Liverpool

Alonso77

whatawaster wrote: »

This makes it sounds like Rodgers was a complete failure at Liverpool

The last 12-14 months of his reign were a failure unfortunately.

DaveSuarez

Augeo has to be the most annoying poster on the internet.

redzerdrog

whatawaster wrote: »

This makes it sounds like Rodgers was a complete failure at Liverpool

Well he wasn't a success.

whatawaster

redzerdrog wrote: »

Well he wasn't a success.

Well he came closer than any Liverpool manager in 25 years to winning the league. He exceeded most people's expectations and was a big improvement on the two managers preceding him

Alonso77

whatawaster wrote: »

Well he came closer than any Liverpool manager in 25 years to winning the league. He exceeded most people's expectations and was a big improvement on the two managers preceding him

Big improvement on Rafa Benitez who constantly had us competing at a top European level? Indeed.

NukaCola

redzerdrog wrote: »

Well he wasn't a success.

Got us to the Champions League and challenged for a League title. Thought he done quite well.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Alonso77 wrote: »

Big improvement on Rafa Benitez who constantly had us competing at a top European level? Indeed.

Rafa is the third previous manager, the others being Kenny Dalglish and, before him, whatshisname.

Alonso77

Alonso77 wrote: »

Big improvement on Rafa Benitez who constantly had us competing at a top European level? Indeed.

Rafa wasn't one of the two managers who preceded him.
Indeed.

DaveSuarez

DaveSuarez wrote: »

Augeo has to be the most annoying poster on the internet.

Haha

Well you know what to do old boy

Agent Coulson

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Rafa is the third previous manager, the others being Kenny Dalglish and, before him, whatshisname.

And Dalglish as outdated as he was from modern football can still be deemed a success more so than the one before him and the one after him by getting to two cup finals and winning one of them that being the only trophy the club has won in 10 years.

NukaCola

Dalglish done ok too. Just spent poorly which cost him ultimately......

Alonso77

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Rafa is the third previous manager, the others being Kenny Dalglish and, before him, whatshisname.

Oh yeah, lol I'd tried to block that fella out. Apologies whatawaster! :-)

Royal Legend

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Rafa is the third previous manager, the others being Kenny Dalglish and, before him, whatshisname.

That part of our history has been erased forever :eek: never speak of it again. NEVER!

ThunbergsAreGo

NukaCola wrote: »

Dalglish done ok too. Just spent poorly which cost him ultimately......

His last season was dreadful with us.

Lets not let the fact he is a club legend obscure that fact. Charlie Adam and Jay "the point" Spearing centre mid

NukaCola

naughtb4 wrote: »

His last season was dreadful with us.

Lets not let the fact he is a club legend obscure that fact. Charlie Adam and Jay "the point" Spearing centre mid

Done well when he came back first. Poor enough full season but two good cup runs. As I said bought poorly. Overall done ok IMO.

mosstin

NukaCola wrote: »

Dalglish done ok too. Just spent poorly which cost him ultimately......

Dalglish - my favourite ever Liverpool player. Superb manager in his first term too. Of his last period in charge, all I can remember were those t-shirts.

Nothing but respect for Kenny though - adores the club.

Alonso77

Actually having brought Rafa up in my previous silly post it's great to see him doing great at Newcastle. Hope he pisses that league.

Gbear

mosstin wrote: »

Dalglish - my favourite ever Liverpool player. Superb manager in his first term too. Of his last period in charge, all I can remember were those t-shirts.

Nothing but respect for Kenny though - adores the club.

He had us set up pretty well and fighting.

Won a trophy too, and Chelsea had to pox their way into winning the FA cup despite being able to totally outclass us for about 70 minutes of that game.

The whole setup was arseways and couldn't have worked long term but it wasn't without it's positives.

Our squad was absolute **** back then as well.
We ended up starting an FA cup final with Charlie Adam and Jay Spearing in CM.

The context of it should've been to take the positives from that and move forward the following season with Kenny able to step back from the caretaker role his position should've always been but there was so much turmoil in the club everyone wanted and expected quick fixes.

K-9

Muahahaha wrote: »

Exactly. And even if the ref did somehow deem it a back pass you would prefer face the 12 yard free than allow such an easy header on goal.

I think what might have happened was that when Lovren sliced his clearance high into the air Karius was not 100% sure of his positioning inside the box. As his eyes were skyward looking at the ball and he rushed forward to meet it I think he thought he was outside the box and therefore didnt use his hands for fear of been given a red.

That could well be it, more plausible than my backpass theory anyway!

niallo27

Alonso77 wrote: »

Actually having brought Rafa up in my previous silly post it's great to see him doing great at Newcastle. Hope he pisses that league.

I'll always love that guy. He even made me shout for Madrid.

K-9

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

I believe a lot of us are not fully enjoying these amazing attacking performances because even if we are winning by 2 goals there's still a possibility we will fcuk it up. So many games where we have held on by one goal in the end should have been dead and buried after half an hour. It's just stupid basic errors that are letting inferior teams back into games, sort out the defence and we can easily win the league.

I was reasonably confident going into yesterdays match and I think that game will do them good as they deal with the stupid 2 goals and then defended decently when 3-2 up. I think even if it went 4-3 they'd have seen it out.

We definitely are better defending in open play and Lovren's mistake yesterday was the first unforced defensive mistake in a good few games.

Though I suppose corner kicks should be in that stat, but that's a different issue. We did ok from them yesterday and the opposition ballsed them up for a change!

Buford T. Justice XIX

Royal Legend wrote: »

That part of our history has been erased forever :eek: never speak of it again. NEVER!

Speak of who, now?:pac:

mormank

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Convert him to a winger so

I think you'll find Klopp has already converted our fullbacks into wingers!

Agent Coulson

Mario looking world class again :P Glad we tacked on a sell on clause for when PSG come in for him.

Harry Palmr

Adam Lallana is Billy no mates :pac:

Kerrigooney

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Adam Lallana is Billy no mates :pac:

There's a few blokes in the crowd that Karius seems to like passing to as well.

MD1990

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Mario looking world class again :P Glad we tacked on a sell on clause for when PSG come in for him.

Not sure how this clause works since Balotelli has only a 1 year contract at Nice & i would think he won't renew if he wants to leave next summer.

Agent Coulson

MD1990 wrote: »

Not sure how this clause works since Balotelli has only a 1 year contract at Nice & i would think he won't renew if he wants to leave next summer.

Well according to transfermarkt its a two year contract till 2018 so I guess that's how it will work if an offer comes in for him next summer or he signs an extension.

http://www.transfermarkt.ie/mario-balotelli/profil/spieler/45146

Kerrigooney

Firmino.

googled eyes

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Firmino.

The false 9 we deserve

Gbear

googled eyes wrote: »

The false 9 we deserve

Looks like false Dracula, false Batman and false Skeletor while he's at it.

Osmosis Jones

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Adam Lallana is Billy no mates :pac:

Never mind that, it's far more upsetting to watch Mane, Coutinho and Firmino celebrate together while Lallana looks on thinking "they never rehearsed this dance with me"

Buford T. Justice XIX

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Adam Lallana is Billy no mates :pac:

Interesting to see the similar positions of Can and Henderson on that map. I didn't see the game so was that due to swapping positions or a 4-2-1-3

mosstin

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Interesting to see the similar positions of Can and Henderson on that map. I didn't see the game so was that due to swapping positions or a 4-2-1-3

I miss the days of not needing a PhD in Trigonometry to enjoy the match.

rob316

Love watching Coutinho, he's a tremendous talent and looks to finally gained consistency. My fear though with that is he wont be here much longer, he is tailor made to replace Iniesta at Barcelona and will soon I'd say. He is influencing games at POTY levels currently.

I always wanted him to go deep and be the playmaker and cut out the 20 shots a game.....although they are pretty sweet when they come off.

brevity

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Firmino.

https://twitter.com/AnfieldHQ/status/792858988064960512

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3CHi_9sxj0

Agent Coulson

I can just picture Moreno running behind them trying to catch up with them dressed as Robin.


Lucas's is boss

MD1990

rob316 wrote: »

Love watching Coutinho, he's a tremendous talent and looks to finally gained consistency. My fear though with that is he wont be here much longer, he is tailor made to replace Iniesta at Barcelona and will soon I'd say. He is influencing games at POTY levels currently.

I always wanted him to go deep and be the playmaker and cut out the 20 shots a game.....although they are pretty sweet when they come off.

We need to offer Coutinho a new 150k+ a week contract asap.

rob316

MD1990 wrote: »

We need to offer Coutinho a new 150k+ a week contract asap.

150k is on the low scale, Ozil and Sanchez are looking for 250k. Honestly though I don't think he is motivated by money, like Suarez you could throw 250k per week at him but as a south American the lure of playing for Barcelona or Madrid is too much. Its unfortunate but the team need to get what they can out his performances while he is here.

eyerer

rob316 wrote: »

MD1990 wrote: »

We need to offer Coutinho a new 150k+ a week contract asap.

150k is on the low scale, Ozil and Sanchez are looking for 250k. Honestly though I don't think he is motivated by money, like Suarez you could throw 250k per week at him but as a south American the lure of playing for Barcelona or Madrid is too much. Its unfortunate but the team need to get what they can out his performances while he is here.

As soon as the commentator mentioned him and madrid/barcelona I thought to myself, I hope we can win the league before he leaves.