Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

Agent Coulson

Is Cloughie jr still manager at Burton?

One_Of_Shanks

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Sports journalist with a lot of LFC followers.

... who had a lot of LFC followers... after it gets around that he's a fan of the rag

ricero

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Is Cloughie jr still manager at Burton?

Yuup he is indeed. Hope to see grujic start against them

8-10

ricero wrote: »

Yuup he is indeed. Hope to see grujic start against them

And Matip and Ings.

Harry Palmr

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

I wouldn't have a great knowledge of the academy players. But Harry, realistically how many of these guys in your opinion will ever challenge for a starting 11 place for at least 3/4 seasons.

God knows! Every time I pin my hopes on a player he gets sold! Joao Carlos Teixeria and Sergi Canos being the most recent examples. But I'm going to say that unforeseen circumstances aside Sheyi Ojo, Ryan Kent, Ovie Ejaria and Cameron Branngan all have a more than decent chance of becoming solid squad players in the next 12-18 months. Danny Ward is more tricky being a keeper, hopefully Mig will feck off next summer and he becomes the bench/Cup keeper. Obviously playing European footie would be a big help in this regard.

Grayditch

I think the pressure that's put on these kids as a result of Harry's expectations is ultimately weighting them down.

Sappy404

I can't help but feel amid all of this optimism about beating Arsenal away, looking fitter than ever after a full Klopp preseason, Mane looking like a bargain at £32m after 1 game and the likes of Sturridge, Sakho and Grujic to come, that we're almost definitely going to cock it up on Saturday and lose to Burnley. It would just be so Liverpool, wouldn't it?

mormank

Grayditch wrote: »

It's Thursday and here's a picture of Davis N'gog clapping a good pass that he couldn't quite stick the head on for whatever reason.

Ah I must thank the lad for giving me my inspiration for my Fantasy Football team for the past 6 years or so. FC Stop N'Gog, perfect mix of his name and a classic texas hold em move.

Harry Palmr

I've kiboshed so many talents! :pac:

GBX

Sappy404 wrote: »

I can't help but feel amid all of this optimism about beating Arsenal away, looking fitter than ever after a full Klopp preseason, Mane looking like a bargain at £32m after 1 game and the likes of Sturridge, Sakho and Grujic to come, that we're almost definitely going to cock it up on Saturday and lose to Burnley. It would just be so Liverpool, wouldn't it?

Cant beat a bit of optimism to get ya going !

Washington Irving

DrumSteve wrote: »

They should have included a complimentary Barber's Adagio for Strings with every banning.

"Oh, Ade boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling"

mormank

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Grayditch wrote: »

It's Thursday and here's a picture of Davis N'gog clapping a good pass that he couldn't quite stick the head on for whatever reason.

He should have been a keeper with those giant hands

His hands aren't massive, it's just his head is tiny.

J Mysterio

Echo reporting Pool could be looking at Bruno Martins Indi for LB.

Harry Palmr

Stupid Rumour section I presume

J Mysterio

I really wonder is three at the back something Klopp is looking at as we are well stocked in CB's and Martins Indi can play LCB.

mormank

Oh I just spotted the link for the 'legacy site' there and got back to the old format. Thank christ for that, that new site layout was making my eyes bleed! :mad:

Washington Irving

mormank wrote: »

Oh I just spotted the link for the 'legacy site' there and got back to the old format. Thank christ for that, that new site layout was making my eyes bleed! :mad:

its well shit, 'innit m8

They stopped updating the forum menu on the old site too so it's a pain to find newer forums if you're not following them.

K-9

Klopp has 10 points out of 12 away from home from Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea and City. The ould alternative table would expect 4 points, so sorted on that score.

Really need to consistently beat the dross at home and the away form will look after itself.

Best stat from Sunday was 12 shots from inside the box which considering we were in the bottom 6 for that last season, it seems to be something Klopp bought to address. Ings coming back also helps.


Considering Liverpool under Klopp are the highest scorers in the league this calender year...

Agent Coulson

Our problems have been against the bottom 12/13 teams for the last two decades losing or drawing against them.

Losing or drawing to those teams is the major issue that needs to be addressed I think.


It's all well and good smashing Arsenal or City then following it up with a draw or lose to Burnley is what we need to stop.

mormank

Washington Irving wrote: »

its well shit, 'innit m8

They stopped updating the forum menu on the old site too so it's a pain to find newer forums if you're not following them.

Aw it's the worst! I realise that alot of the times internet sites update alot of regs don't like it just because they don't like change, but that really is paticularly terrible imo. Hope they don't take away the option of the legacy site after time. This is the only thread i bother with these days so shouldn't be too difficult to keep track of.

Harry Palmr

I've no idea what you're on about

tinpib

K-9 wrote: »

Considering Liverpool under Klopp are the highest scorers in the league this calender year...

Didn't know that. Class.

Washington Irving

https://twitter.com/bbcsport_david/status/766331158326116352

martyos121

Ugh, I'd rather keep him than cave into them like that. Really think we'd have gotten the full £32m back if we stood firm.

Harry Palmr

martyos121 wrote: »

Ugh, I'd rather keep him than cave into them like that. Really think we'd have gotten the full £32m back if we stood firm.

So basically Palace have re-iterated their opening offer and we've done what actually made sense at that point (remember he has been amortised by one year/6.5 million quid already so 27m actually represents a book profit)

daithijjj

Benteke gone. 27m +.

Grayditch

Fair play to him, I hope he does as well as possible without affecting us of course.

mormank

martyos121 wrote: »

Ugh, I'd rather keep him than cave into them like that. Really think we'd have gotten the full £32m back if we stood firm.

I'm delighted if it's done cos I've been waiting to get him into my Fantasy team if he does go there. If he goes there I predict goals goals goals!!

ricero

Love to spend the cash on a new lb or centre midfielder. We have actually made a profit this window

murpho999

martyos121 wrote: »

Ugh, I'd rather keep him than cave into them like that. Really think we'd have gotten the full £32m back if we stood firm.

You're completely ignoring the saving on wages which is significant.
Deal is £27m + £5m add ons so it's a good deal.

Also, not fair on the player if he's not going to get a look in.

martyos121

Harry Palmr wrote: »

So basically Palace have re-iterated their opening offer and we've done what actually made sense at that point (remember he has been amortised by one year/6.5 million quid already so 27m actually represents a book profit)

Not when you factor in his year's wages. Can't go into diminishing transfer value and not take into account the amount he's cost us in salary.

£27m isn't a disaster though and I don't really worry about finances in terms of buying or selling players, just that good footballing decisions are made.

I'll be honest, I wouldn't have minded holding onto him for another year at least but selling him gives me hope we might sign another player or two that could strengthen weak areas of the squad (starting left back, right back cover).

Utopia Parkway

Grayditch wrote: »

Fair play to him, I hope he does as well as possible without affecting us of course.

Nailed on to score against us this season.

Charlie19

Grayditch wrote: »

Fair play to him, I hope he does as well as possible without affecting us of course.

I hope he scores the kind of goals that Charlie Adam did after being sold. I seem to remember Adam finding the net against most of our rivals when he joined Stoke.

Tipsy McSwagger

https://twitter.com/tonybarrettimes/status/766333303167344641

martyos121

murpho999 wrote: »

You're completely ignoring the saving on wages which is significant.

Also, not fair on the player if he's not going to get a look in.

He wanted to stay and fight for his place, he wasn't begging for a transfer by any means.

As for the wages, yeah you have a point there but if the money isn't going to be reinvested we'd still be better off paying his wages and having a good backup if we have another injury crisis which happens often with Klopp sides, but I'll not get into that because it could be purely coincidental.

Regarding the bit you edited in about the £27m+£5m, those add-one might be hugely unrealistic for him to achieve. Might not be though at the same time, either way the finances of the club don't concern me greatly, even if it seems like they do.

marklazarcovic

i think its a great deal tbh,im still kinda saying to myself... 27 million pounds plus to palace..CRYSTAL PALACE

Vicxas

Delighted to see Benteke going. Poor fella never fit in.

Gbear

I'd imagine the add-ons this time round aren't as stupid.

THey were dependent on Palace getting CL and other bollocks like that in the previous bid.

Sappy404

It's probably a good thing that he's going and it was fairly inevitable, but there's no real gain to us right now selling him. I doubt it will have an effect on what we're willing to spend on other players.

Buford T. Justice XIX

martyos121 wrote: »

He wanted to stay and fight for his place, he wasn't begging for a transfer by any means.

As for the wages, yeah you have a point there but if the money isn't going to be reinvested we'd still be better off paying his wages and having a good backup if we have another injury crisis which happens often with Klopp sides, but I'll not get into that because it could be purely coincidental.

Regarding the bit you edited in about the £27m+£5m, those add-one might be hugely unrealistic for him to achieve. Might not be though at the same time, either way the finances of the club don't concern me greatly, even if it seems like they do.

Improving the team/squad and having a positive net spend.....#Kloppisalegend:)

So if Benteke leaves for that fee, himself and Ibe will essentially have covered the bulk of Mane and Wijnaldum signing. Also his wages were a fair chunk.

All considered we'll be quite healthy financially heading into the season, stadium expanded, good sized squad with reasonable strength in depth for a team not contesting European competition. Klopp at the helm.

You'd imagine if we got Top4 there'd be a decent wedge available to get more players Klopp wants, can't complain to be fair to all concerned

Harry Palmr

Okay stand by for a small shock

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/aug/18/liverpool-agree-to-sell-christian-benteke-to-crystal-palace-for-27m

Liverpool have finally reached agreement for the sale of Christian Benteke to Crystal Palace and opened the door for Danny Ings to depart Anfield.The deal comes on the day when Jürgen Klopp said the England striker needs to be playing regularly as he continues his recovery from injury. Ings signed from Liverpool last summer only to sustain a cruciate ligament injury only half a dozen games into his Anfield career.

He made his comeback in the final game of last season but was not selected in the match-day squad for the Premier League fixture against Arsenal last Sunday. Klopp’s starting XI did not include a striker at all in fact, with the Brazilian Roberto Firmino playing in a ‘false nine’ position at the Emirates Stadium.

The Reds continue their campaign against Ings’s old club Burnley , but Klopp could not confirm a spot for the player who scored 11 league goals for the Clarets in 2014-15.

btw this should make it clear for anyone who still doesn't get it - Klopp regards Firmino as a forward.

~Rebel~

martyos121 wrote: »

Not when you factor in his year's wages. Can't go into diminishing transfer value and not take into account the amount he's cost us in salary.

£27m isn't a disaster though and I don't really worry about finances in terms of buying or selling players, just that good footballing decisions are made.

I'll be honest, I wouldn't have minded holding onto him for another year at least but selling him gives me hope we might sign another player or two that could strengthen weak areas of the squad (starting left back, right back cover).

Well, not really, we got a years work from him for a years pay. It's not like he was injured for the whole year or something, he still made 45 appearances for us last season.

GBX

All the best to Benteke ..
Good deal by the club.

martyos121

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Improving the team/squad and having a positive net spend.....#Kloppisalegend:)

Yes, but leaving aside the net spend in joke, having a net profit when we have a major problem position would be utterly ludicrous. Signing a good left back could add 6-10 points to our total.

I don't know what's gotten into me being serious all of a sudden, I'm a bit worried.

aidanathome

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Okay stand by for a small shock

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/aug/18/liverpool-agree-to-sell-christian-benteke-to-crystal-palace-for-27m



btw this should make it clear for anyone who still doesn't get it - Klopp regards Firmino as a forward.

He hasn't had a chance to get a few games for Klopp yet. I wouldn't like to see him leave already. (I'm talking about Ings, not Benteke)

Fowler87

Best business of the summer. Unreal we got our money back. Cheerio Benteke

~Rebel~

In a way i'd almost be more worried if we still had Smith and Flanagan, as that might signal sticking with those options...letting them go really points towards replacing them sooner or later...still almost 2 weeks left in the window. I'm confident Klopp'll get it done.

(Fingers Firmly Crossed).

Quite surprised we still have Wisdom on the books at this stage too actually, really looks nowhere near the level required. If anything, he looks to have regressed.

Buford T. Justice XIX

martyos121 wrote: »

Yes, but leaving aside the net spend in joke, having a net profit when we have a major problem position would be utterly ludicrous. Signing a good left back could add 6-10 points to our total.

I don't know what's gotten into me being serious all of a sudden, I'm a bit worried.

Welcome to old age:P

It's still early in the transfer window, iirc a large portion of transfers happen in the last 2 weeks of the window. I am assuming discussions are going on with some club(s) for a LB, I find it hard to believe Klopp/any sane human being would think going into a 45+ game season with Moreno as the only senior LB and no adequate cover for either FB positions is an OK situation.

martyos121

~Rebel~ wrote: »

In a way i'd almost be more worried if we still had Smith and Flanagan, as that might signal sticking with those options...letting them go really points towards replacing them sooner or later...still almost 2 weeks left in the window. I'm confident Klopp'll get it done.

(Fingers Firmly Crossed).

Quite surprised we still have Wisdom on the books at this stage too actually, really looks nowhere near the level required. If anything, he looks to have regressed.

Well, spending a year under Alex Neil will probably do that to you.

I don't mind loaning a player out to a weak squad with a good manger and coaching stuff, but he went to a weak squad with a mediocre manager and coaching staff. That move never made sense to me, but hindsight is 20/20 I suppose.