Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

marklazarcovic

ali kneed him in the back as the challenge was made,then stood on his ankle, he's english..its grand

mormank

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Clearly in line. Both players are about to step on white line

Lallana is gonna hit the line deeper than the spurs defender, suggesting he is ahead of him. Plus, that pic doesn't even show the ball being played so is inconclusive at best, as Joe Lycett beautifully illustrates here. :pac:

K-9

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Yeah, it's actually the opposite!

4 from 9 is just ok.

Most people's would have been pretty happy with 5 from 9 before a ball was kicked I'd say!

The Burnley defeat was just deflating after the the Arsenal win.

Leicester home and Chelsea away the next two.

Exactly, if we'd drawn or beaten Burnley and got 4 points overall that would have been easier to accept. Instead we feel we dropped 2 points yesterday and really should have had at least 1 against Burnley if we'd started out right.

4 is on target in the alternative table, 7 or 8 after the Chelsea game would be a decent start but it puts extra pressure on us not to lose either game coming up.

There's a good run of games to play like against Burnley after that! But ground should be made up after that.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Pyjamarama wrote: »

You love moaning don't you...

We got 4 points from Burnley, Arsenal and Spurs away. Thats far from a bad haul. We also took points off two of our biggest rivals for 4th in their home game. How is that not a good start?

How are we doing on Morzadecs Alternative League table, though?

That's the one to show us how the race for 4th is going.

BorneTobyWilde

mormank wrote: »

Lallana is gonna hit the line deeper than the spurs defender, suggesting he is ahead of him. Plus, that pic doesn't even show the ball being played so is inconclusive at best, as Joe Lycett beautifully illustrates here. :pac:

Ball played.
Considering rule is to benefit the attacker then he's onside even if one could argue he is 2mm off. You could never measure that through seeing it once . What is really annoying is linesman was way off the pace and no where near inline , so how the hell did he even see it. He just flagged in case there was a huge offside he missed, saving himself.
Funny thing about this is that even if there was video evidence it would come down to mm's

mosstin

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Ball played.
Considering rule is to benefit the attacker then he's onside even if one could argue he is 2mm off. You could never measure that through seeing it once . What is really annoying is linesman was way off the pace and no where near inline , so how the hell did he even see it. He just flagged in case there was a huge offside he missed, saving himself.
Funny thing about this is that even if there was video evidence it would come down to mm's

So, based on this, surely we can give the assistant a break on this one.

BorneTobyWilde

You can see which manager is on wrong end of decisions and which is getting away with murder.

Glico Man

mosstin wrote: »

So, based on this, surely we can give the assistant a break on this one.

Yes.

Though the benefit of the doubt should go to the attacker

BorneTobyWilde

mosstin wrote: »

So, based on this, surely we can give the assistant a break on this one.

If he was asked 'was he in line and did he see it'' he would have to say no if he answered honestly. So why flag.

K-9

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

How are we doing on Morzadecs Alternative League table, though?

That's the one to show us how the race for 4th is going.

4 points is spot on.

As well as an away pt at WHL (which is fine looking at bigger picture) the huge takeaway from yesterday it that Matip looked well able to be a PL starter for us. If he forms a decent partnership with Lovren than Sakho leaving becomes almost a non issue once neither Matip or Lovren miss too many games.

Grujic I would think will get games too as Wijnaldum I don't think will cut the mustard for us at CM and like Henderson is quite likely better further up the pitch. Himself or Henderson might be an option with Lallana on the bench.

Once Can is fit it'll be interesting to see what happens

SuperTortoise

I'd be more inclined to have a go at Coutinho that the linesman, he taps that in and it gives us breathing room.

Going by that pic i'd say he's onside and the goal should have stood, but you'll have those days, they'll even out over the season.

SlickRic

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

You can see which manager is on wrong end of decisions and which is getting away with murder.

Or they could be talking about anything.

Let it go.

mosstin

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

If he was asked 'was he in line and did he see it'' he would have to say no if he answered honestly. So why flag.

I think that it's as you said, he was afraid making a major error especially with Spurs at home. It's a bloody hard job but I think they get the majority right, even the close ones. Whilst I think the assistant deserves some slack, I thought the ref was very poor yesterday.

jesus_thats_gre

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

You can see which manager is on wrong end of decisions and which is getting away with murder.

Pretty sure we got away with at least 1 in our own penalty box?

Coutinho doesn't yet have the cool headedness, finesse, instinct, whatever for putting away those sort of opportunities that are far away from being tap ins but that are bread and butter for other #10s & of course strikers.

As folks keep mentioning, if he did we quite likely wouldn't have got him for what we paid

If he was sharper in the box he'd be really really really top class.

mosstin

Seen quite a few people blowing smoke up Chelsea's arse based on their start to the season.
West Ham (H)
Watford (A)
Burnley (H)

Late winners needed in the first two fixtures and, admittedly, a lesson handed out to Burnley yesterday.

Contrast that with ours;

Arsenal (A)
Burnley (A)
Spurs (A)

4 points taken from two very difficult London fixtures. People lose the run of themselves tipping Chelsea for the title based on their first 3 fixtures alone. I think they'll squeak into the Top 4 but they won't win it.
Based on the above, we're not in a bad position.

mosstin

Augeo wrote: »

Coutinho doesn't yet have the cool headedness, finesse, instinct, whatever for putting away those sort of opportunities that are far away from being tap ins but that are bread and butter for other #10s & of course strikers.

As folks keep mentioning, if he did we quite likely wouldn't have got him for what we paid

If he was sharper in the box he'd be really really really top class.

What we needed was Coutinho rolling that into Firmino's path.

garra

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

MOTD
Taking note of the incident where ref blows for a foul on Matip in box from corner, only for ref to give Spurs a second chance with a retake of corner. You can't just make rules up as you go.

They mentioned in that piece of analysis that the referee cannot blow for a foul until the ball is in play and by then the foul had been committed, they need to look at that rule imo

sword1

Augeo wrote: »

Coutinho doesn't yet have the cool headedness, finesse, instinct, whatever for putting away those sort of opportunities that are far away from being tap ins but that are bread and butter for other #10s & of course strikers.

As folks keep mentioning, if he did we quite likely wouldn't have got him for what we paid

If he was sharper in the box he'd be really really really top class.

He is only 24,he is getting in the positions and getting chances, maybe he could pass a little more but if a few more of those chances go in he will be hot property. I might be wrong but i don't think Suarez scored that much his first year with us,i am not saying he will be as good as that but if you have alot of the skills it only takes a little bit ,no injuries, good form etc to bring it to world class

Agent Coulson

garra wrote: »

They mentioned in that piece of analysis that the referee cannot blow for a foul until the ball is in play and by then the foul had been committed, they need to look at that rule imo

So taking that rule to an extreme the next time we play say City and when the ball is out of play for a corner our CB's can give Aguero a wedgie and it's not a foul until the ref blows his whistle. :pac:

sword1

garra wrote: »

They mentioned in that piece of analysis that the referee cannot blow for a foul until the ball is in play and by then the foul had been committed, they need to look at that rule imo

Yes ,basically have the 11 players in position to kick the opposing 11 in the balls before a set piece is taken ,person taking the set piece would need to be fast though

mosstin

mosstin wrote: »

What we needed was Coutinho rolling that into Firmino's path.

Perhaps, again more cool headedness, finesse, instinct whatever in the box and maybe he'd have rolled it to Firmino.

sword1 wrote: »

He is only 24,he is getting in the positions and getting chances, maybe he could pass a little more but if a few more of those chances go in he will be hot property. I might be wrong but i don't think Suarez scored that much his first year with us,i am not saying he will be as good as that but if you have alot of the skills it only takes a little bit ,no injuries, good form etc to bring it to world class

No doubt, I'm not criticising him as such, basically agreeing with yourself, he is what he is and if he was better he'd quite likely be elsewhere

jesus_thats_gre

mosstin wrote: »

Seen quite a few people blowing smoke up Chelsea's arse based on their start to the season.
West Ham (H)
Watford (A)
Burnley (H)

Late winners needed in the first two fixtures and, admittedly, a lesson handed out to Burnley yesterday.

Contrast that with ours;

Arsenal (A)
Burnley (A)
Spurs (A)

4 points taken from two very difficult London fixtures. People lose the run of themselves tipping Chelsea for the title based on their first 3 fixtures alone. I think they'll squeak into the Top 4 but they won't win it.
Based on the above, we're not in a bad position.

Yes but they HAVE 9 points. We HAVE 4 points.

They have WON 3 games. We have WON 1 game.

That is all that counts.

K-9

Glico Man wrote: »

Yes.

Though the benefit of the doubt should go to the attacker

I don't know if that's a rule or practice anymore.

mosstin

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Yes but they HAVE 9 points. We HAVE 4 points.

They have WON 3 games. We have WON 1 game.

That is all that counts.

Context also counts.

NukaCola

K-9 wrote: »

I don't know if that's a rule or practice anymore.

I asked this a few times, everyone assumes its the case but I haven't seen it documented anywhere official.

NukaCola

mosstin wrote: »

Context also counts.

If Chelsea had a 9 point return with our fixtures I'd be seriously impressed.

However, as pointed out, they picked up their 9 points while not looking great which is important as you'd assume they'll grow more as the season goes on. A good start can make all the difference.

BorneTobyWilde

Everton could be this years surprise team. How crazy would it be for them to do
a Leicester under Ronald Cool Man.

J Mysterio

mosstin wrote: »

What we needed was Coutinho rolling that into Firmino's path.

Ah no. He should have fucking smashed it into the net, not go for precision.

mosstin

J Mysterio wrote: »

Ah no. He should have fucking smashed it into the net, not go for precision.

What I meant was that if Firmino was the player receiving the ball in that situation from a Coutinho pass.

noodler

SlickRic wrote: »

Do you even watch Klopp's Liverpool?

Sturridge doesn't start in games like today because he's incapable of pressing for long periods. It's obvious, and will always be the case under this manager.

Firmino was also superb today. He was also our top scorer in the league last year. So 'never scores' is a pretty stupid thing to say.

He was, but the sheer number of goals Sturbridge scored in the tail end of the season was pretty remarkable despite missing 6 months.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Dread, Despair, and Must-Win Insanity


https://tomkinstimes.com/2016/08/dread-despair-and-must-win-insanity/


A reminder from TTT that all is not lost.

Agent Coulson

Clyne, Henderson, Lallana & Sturridge named in Big Sam's first England squad.

Charlie19

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Dread, Despair, and Must-Win Insanity


https://tomkinstimes.com/2016/08/dread-despair-and-must-win-insanity/


A reminder from TTT that all is not lost.

I agree with most of that, bar anything involving Moreno.

I'd say 99% of supporters could see that Moreno is the weakest link in that side and not addressing the issue could be very costly.

We could be easily sitting in the table with only two points after the couple of familiar mistakes that Moreno made. Thankfully we did rescue that game and managed to get all three points but having to select him after not buying cover during the window, Klopp has to take criticism for that decision.

There is still time before the deadline and I'll be shocked if a LB isn't bought.

sword1

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Dread, Despair, and Must-Win Insanity


https://tomkinstimes.com/2016/08/dread-despair-and-must-win-insanity/


A reminder from TTT that all is not lost.

Moreno must be getting death threats at this stage.Some of the criticism is over the top ,if the 😸 cat had kittens he would get the blame

Charlie19

sword1 wrote: »

Moreno must be getting death threats at this stage.Some of the criticism is over the top ,if the 😸 cat had kittens he would get the blame

Well anyone taking it that far is only a degenerate.

54and56

Charlie19 wrote: »

There is still time before the deadline and I'll be shocked if a LB isn't bought.

Can everyone who is going to be "shocked" if we don't sign a LB by the close of the transfer market on Wednesday please take a selfie of the look on your face and post it?

Charlie19

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

Can everyone who is going to be "shocked" if we don't sign a LB by the close of the transfer market on Wednesday please take a selfie of the look on your face and post it?

Agent Coulson

https://twitter.com/LFCTikiTaka/status/769958110144389122

5starpool

Agent Coulson wrote: »

https://twitter.com/LFCTikiTaka/status/769958110144389122

I watched nearly a minute of that and had to turn it off. Painful stuff.

Harry Palmr

I had no idea what was going on so I stopped.

Grayditch

Enthralling stuff.

Fowler87

Nabil El Zhar ripping up La Liga 

citytillidie

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Ball played.
Considering rule is to benefit the attacker then he's onside even if one could argue he is 2mm off. You could never measure that through seeing it once . What is really annoying is linesman was way off the pace and no where near inline , so how the hell did he even see it. He just flagged in case there was a huge offside he missed, saving himself.
Funny thing about this is that even if there was video evidence it would come down to mm's

Benefit in doubt is a myth created by Andy Gray and still keeps get pushed today, offside is offside no matter if it is 2mm or 20 meters

BorneTobyWilde

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Dread, Despair, and Must-Win Insanity


https://tomkinstimes.com/2016/08/dread-despair-and-must-win-insanity/


A reminder from TTT that all is not lost.

It's gone crazy for everyone it seems. Man City game, '' they need one more goal to go top'' Commentator , WTF / They went for it to , to get that goal.
3 games in !!

YouTookMyName

citytillidie wrote: »

Benefit in doubt is a myth created by Andy Gray and still keeps get pushed today, offside is offside no matter if it is 2mm or 20 meters

Bollóx a late flag from the lino who was a yard behind the ball. fúck that. he's on side.

mormank

citytillidie wrote: »

Benefit in doubt is a myth created by Andy Gray and still keeps get pushed today, offside is offside no matter if it is 2mm or 20 meters

Ya unless you are Raheem Sterling playing against Man City in the 13/14 season. Then if you are 3 feet onside you are still offside! And no, I will never forget it, why should I? Worst offside decision I have ever seen. :mad:

BorneTobyWilde

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Ball played.
Considering rule is to benefit the attacker then he's onside even if one could argue he is 2mm off. You could never measure that through seeing it once . What is really annoying is linesman was way off the pace and no where near inline , so how the hell did he even see it. He just flagged in case there was a huge offside he missed, saving himself.
Funny thing about this is that even if there was video evidence it would come down to mm's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDMZBrdDCLI

NukaCola

Are you replying to your own posts now?