Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

Agent Coulson

Remember the times people used to criticise Lallana for not having the stamina to last more than 60 minutes in a game.

garra

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Another thing I find interesting is the fan dynamic with Klopp. It's night and day when compared with Rodgers. It seems that when Rodgers had a falling out with a player, then the fans got on his back pretty quickly (Assaidi was one I remember). On the other hand, Klopp can fall out with two players who most people would have thought were first teamers (Sturridge and Sakho), yet almost nothing is said about this. Same goes for tactics. On Saturday, Sturridge should have been brought on much earlier, yet was left far too late. If Rodgers had done the same, you'd have people going mental in here.

Regarding the criticism of Rodgers you are probably referring to the last season of his rein, after he had been given a good crack at the job...
And you are forgetting also that Klopp brings an impressive CV while Rodgers had an A4 folder with diagrams of inverted pyramids.

Harry Palmr

Yep, everyone and his dog was sure that Lallana would be the first victim of Klopps game style rather than the player who would embrace it fully quickest.

garra

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Yep, everyone and his dog was sure that Lallana would be the first victim of Klopps game style rather than the player who would embrace it fully quickest.

And he would have got his reward for all that running (12.5K - most in Premiership by any player on Sat) had the linesman not flagged him off side for the disallowed Mane goal. Oops, I said it again.

brevity

https://streamable.com/gi8x

Dirk Kuyt over the weekend.

He's 36.

NukaCola

garra wrote: »

Regarding the criticism of Rodgers you are probably referring to the last season of his rein, after he had been given a good crack at the job...
And you are forgetting also that Klopp brings an impressive CV while Rodgers had an A4 folder with diagrams of inverted pyramids.

The thing with Rodgers is he gets very little credit for anything and nearly all of the blame in general. Suarez was the reason we did well etc etc The people that liked Rodgers will always be shot down no matter what is said.

For example, what he did with Swansea was very impressive, but in general many overlook this and say Swansea were set up well for him etc etc

Your comment on him sums up what a lot here think and I think thats really unfair.

Chardee MacDennis

brevity wrote: »

https://streamable.com/gi8x

Dirk Kuyt over the weekend.

He's 36.

He had no right controlling that ball for the second goal.

J Mysterio

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Remember the times people used to criticise Lallana for not having the stamina to last more than 60 minutes in a game.

I raised that as an issue directly after the Tottenham game. He most certainly did fade. He wasnt involved in the play in the second half. He had a brilliant first half.

5starpool

Klopp would have adored Dirk Kuyt in his team in his prime.

J Mysterio

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Yep, everyone and his dog was sure that Lallana would be the first victim of Klopps game style rather than the player who would embrace it fully quickest.

I always liked Lallana.

Francie Barrett

garra wrote: »

Regarding the criticism of Rodgers you are probably referring to the last season of his rein, after he had been given a good crack at the job...
And you are forgetting also that Klopp brings an impressive CV while Rodgers had an A4 folder with diagrams of inverted pyramids.

No, I am actually referring to Rodgers first season when people got stuck into him after only a few weeks. I don't think his personalty helped his image or standing with fans (the smugness in interviews, and the cringe factor thanks to that awful documentary he was featured in). On the other hand, it seems like Klopp is the anti-Rodgers in this respect. He has this powerful, charismatic personalty that has swept fans away. I guess I am making the point that we shouldn't be influenced by personalities.

marklazarcovic

Is hendo new England captain or just twitter nonsense?

Alonso77

Francie Barrett wrote: »

No, I am actually referring to Rodgers first season when people got stuck into him after only a few weeks. I don't think his personalty helped his image or standing with fans (the smugness in interviews, and the cringe factor thanks to that awful documentary he was featured in). On the other hand, it seems like Klopp is the anti-Rodgers in this respect. He has this powerful, charismatic personalty that has swept fans away. I guess I am making the point that we shouldn't be influenced by personalities.

I don't think this is accurate. I think Rodgers had plenty of leeway until it became painfully obvious that he was out of ideas in his 3rd season. That's when the proper and warranted criticism came

ricero

Luis alberto (remember him) has signed for lazio for 6 million fee

Agent Coulson

This lad has a bright future.

https://twitter.com/sheyi_ojo/status/770294830425579520

murpho999

Agent Coulson wrote: »

This lad has a bright future.

Y'know I hope y'know you're right there y'know.

Kerrigooney

Agent Coulson wrote: »

https://twitter.com/OptaJoe/status/770263126201729024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Not bad going for a fella with a baboon's heart.

BorneTobyWilde

Joe's heart off to Italy.

ShamoBuc

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Joe's heart off to Italy.

What about the rest of him?

Vicxas

Apparently we've accepted a bid for Alberto from Lazio

Kerrigooney

:pac:

Osmosis Jones

Carragher's reply

BorneTobyWilde

Another 4.3 in the bank for Alberto. Club is well in the green with transfers.

MD1990

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-defender-andre-wisdom-joins-11816239
Wisdom joining RB Salzburg on Loan.
Nice one for Harry to add to the Loan Watch

Harry Palmr

So that's another two crossed off the list - Alberto to Lazio being the other. RB Salzburg is certainly a more interesting destination than Celtic.

garra

NukaCola wrote: »

The thing with Rodgers is he gets very little credit for anything and nearly all of the blame in general. Suarez was the reason we did well etc etc The people that liked Rodgers will always be shot down no matter what is said.

For example, what he did with Swansea was very impressive, but in general many overlook this and say Swansea were set up well for him etc etc

Your comment on him sums up what a lot here think and I think thats really unfair.

FWIW I thought he was a great fit for us when we had Gerrard and Suarez firing on all cylinders, he really made the most of the talent at his disposal, but ultimately he didn't have enough nous for the job and couldn't follow through, although it's natural enough to give more time to an accomplished manager than a novice at the top level.

BorneTobyWilde

Rare to see a young english player go aboard. Huge move for him

mosstin

https://twitter.com/JamesPearceEcho/status/770375259103068164

Happy with this.

mosstin

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Rare to see a young english player go aboard. Huge move for him

It'll be like a different country to him.

Glico Man

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Rare to see a young english player go aboard. Huge move for him

mosstin wrote: »

It'll be like a different country to him.

After seeing what happened when he went to Derby on loan, I hope they don't let him have a car.

BorneTobyWilde

Sissoko will move Shirley
I wonder who will cough up for him, we have so much money.

amber69

mosstin wrote: »

It'll be like a different country to him.

If this is a reference to Rush about playing in Italy, I think Dalglish made that up at the time and everyone believed it.

Harry Palmr

Paul Joyce says Balotelli off to Nice, which is as good as reason I can think of to play this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfpyZKuI1GU

mosstin

mosstin wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JamesPearceEcho/status/770375259103068164

Happy with this.

Yup, be nice to see him get some games and really challenge for a spot. If all of our strikers show form we start start some games with 2 up front and a conventional midfield behind them without a couple #10s :pac:

mosstin

amber69 wrote: »

If this is a reference to Rush about playing in Italy, I think Dalglish made that up at the time and everyone believed it.

No, it will be like a different country to him.

rob316

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Not buying a left back is reckless. If funds are available and it's the manager's decision then it's easy to say that it's his mistake. And he'll pay for it over the course of the year.

I can't understand it, badly need a left back and controlling centre midfielder yet we are sitting here with a profit in this window and don't seem to have any inclination to spend to address these issues.

We are already one of the richest clubs in the world there is absolutely no excuse for this.

Teams traditionally above us and below us are throwing cash around.

I bit my tongue all summer and waited but this is very disappointing and worrying.

~Rebel~

rob316 wrote: »

I can't understand it, badly need a left back and controlling centre midfielder yet we are sitting here with a profit in this window and don't seem to have any inclination to spend to address these issues.

We are already one of the richest clubs in the world there is absolutely no excuse for this.

Teams traditionally above us and below us are throwing cash around.

I bit my tongue all summer and waited but this is very disappointing and worrying.

It really is very strange.... on the one hand, I have to keep repeating to myself that Klopp obviously knows much more about football than me. But on the other, I'm just baffled that we have a starting position without a single decent option.

Milner is such a willing lad, and i'd trust him to fill in pretty much anywhere and put in a shift - but that's not what this is. He seems to now be our first choice left back - and while im sure he has the tools to be able to do that, he doesn't have the experience.

The reactive instincts of someone who's played a specialist defensive position week in week out for years can't be underestimated - someone just knowing where they should be and what they should do in a defensive situation. Milner doesn't have - and at this age never will have - those instincts.

I trust him not to do anything stupid when we have the ball, I can't say the same when we don't, and that's not his fault.

And it's not like Klopp is blind to pragmatism either, we had a short term issue at CB last season, he immediately filled it with a loan signing of Caulker - not a guy you want to buy, but a perfectly good stand in when you're short on men. Which is why I can't figure out why we've not at least brought a loan option in the same way...there's got to be a few decent second choice left backs around Europe that could do with some game time in the short term. The equivilent of a left sided Manquillo.

If we don't get someone in the next few days, I can only pray it's because we have something special lined up for January.

Talisman

~Rebel~ wrote: »

It really is very strange.... on the one hand, I have to keep repeating to myself that Klopp obviously knows much more about football than me. But on the other, I'm just baffled that we have a starting position without a single decent option.

Milner is such a willing lad, and i'd trust him to fill in pretty much anywhere and put in a shift - but that's not what this is. He seems to now be our first choice left back - and while im sure he has the tools to be able to do that, he doesn't have the experience.

The reactive instincts of someone who's played a specialist defensive position week in week out for years can't be underestimated - someone just knowing where they should be and what they should do in a defensive situation. Milner doesn't have - and at this age never will have - those instincts.

I trust him not to do anything stupid when we have the ball, I can't say the same when we don't, and that's not his fault.

And it's not like Klopp is blind to pragmatism either, we had a short term issue at CB last season, he immediately filled it with a loan signing of Caulker - not a guy you want to buy, but a perfectly good stand in when you're short on men. Which is why I can't figure out why we've not at least brought a loan option in the same way...there's got to be a few decent second choice left backs around Europe that could do with some game time in the short term. The equivilent of a left sided Manquillo.

If we don't get someone in the next few days, I can only pray it's because we have something special lined up for January.

If we need a defensive option there are defensive players in the squad that could fill the role: Klavan, Sakho (he has refused to go on loan to Stoke) and Gomez. They are primarily centre backs but have filled in at left back in the past. Kevin Stewart is another option.

After the Wednesday deadline, there are 17 league games and potentially 3 cup games before we can sign another player. Given the team's playing style, the full back should be troubled very little during a game against most opposition. If the players in front of the full back aren't fulfilling their duties then we have bigger problems to worry about.

How many opponents have a player of such quality that you fear the prospect of us facing them without a quality left back?

Potential right wing opponents for the next 5 league games:

Leicester : Mahrez
Chelsea : Willian, Pedro & Victor Moses
Hull City: Snodgrass
Swansea : Dyer, Barrow
Man Utd : Mata, Martial (possibly)

If we don't score goals then left back will be a concern. In the meantime let's take it one game at a time and watch the team develop.

~Rebel~

Talisman wrote: »

If we need a defensive option there are defensive players in the squad that could fill the role: Klavan, Sakho (he has refused to go on loan to Stoke) and Gomez. They are primarily centre backs but have filled in at left back in the past. Kevin Stewart is another option.

Those options are fine if you're talking about a short term injury problem that needs covering or something, but we just dont have a viable left back option. I mean, even if Moreno was actually very good, i'd be concerned about only having 1 LB in the whole squad. When that 1 LB is pretty poor, it doesn't look good.

After the Wednesday deadline, there are 17 league games and potentially 3 cup games before we can sign another player. Given the team's playing style, the full back should be troubled very little during a game against most opposition. If the players in front of the full back aren't fulfilling their duties then we have bigger problems to worry about.

See, this imo is the type of talk that should be reserved for times like when the window closes, and then a player gets injured, and we're like "oh no, we're stuck without a LB by bad fortune, so we'll hang in there for 17 games and do what we can till we get the opportunity to buy".

But we have this problem now. And the window is open now. Regardless what way you look at it, this an issue that desperately needs to be fixed one way or another, sooner or later...so why not sooner? Why put ourselves in the position of inviting trouble when we don't need to?

How many opponents have a player of such quality that you fear the prospect of us facing them without a quality left back?

Potential right wing opponents for the next 5 league games:

Leicester : Mahrez
Chelsea : Willian, Pedro & Victor Moses
Hull City: Snodgrass
Swansea : Dyer, Barrow
Man Utd : Mata, Martial (possibly)

If we don't score goals then left back will be a concern. In the meantime let's take it one game at a time and watch the team develop.

This is a simplistic way of looking at it, as if all game plans will go as normal. The reality is that every attack will be directed at that area because its our clear weak link. Rather than the norm, we'll see whoever is the trickiest/quickest player the opposition has moved to exploit the weakness. Even just under normal circumstances, I'd fancy, Leicester, Chelsea, and ManU to tear at us time and time again with a lot of success down that side.

Players will double up in attack against Milner. They'll draw him in as others run behind. They'll take him on one on one going down the line against his weaker left side. Managers will spend their whole tactical approach looking at what frailties an inexperienced (or bad, in Morenos case) full back leave you - just as happened against Spurs and Arsenal in particular.

As for watching the team develop - that's my biggest issue with this. It's not like we're standing by a young LB and giving him time, rather, we're persisting with what can only be a stopgap. So when the time comes that we bring in a proper LB, they're still going to need to bed into the team. So why not go through that period sooner rather than delaying it with an inadequate response.

OwaynOTT

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Remember the times people used to criticise Lallana for not having the stamina to last more than 60 minutes in a game.

It was his God damn baboon heart.

Edit: God damn you goonster. Foiled again and I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for that pesky middle aged man and his dog.


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54and56

rob316 wrote: »

I can't understand it, badly need a left back and controlling centre midfielder yet we are sitting here with a profit in this window and don't seem to have any inclination to spend to address these issues.

We are already one of the richest clubs in the world there is absolutely no excuse for this.

Teams traditionally above us and below us are throwing cash around.

I bit my tongue all summer and waited but this is very disappointing and worrying.

That's because Klopp hasn't a clue what he's doing and doesn't have the insight you have about the footballing needs of the club :rolleyes:

~Rebel~

~Rebel~ wrote: »

It really is very strange.... on the one hand, I have to keep repeating to myself that Klopp obviously knows much more about football than me. ...............

Every professional manager does
Including all of those ever sacked or who reigned over a relegation.

Talisman wrote: »

If we need a defensive option there are defensive players in the squad that could fill the role: Klavan, Sakho (he has refused to go on loan to Stoke) and Gomez. ..............
After the Wednesday deadline, there are 17 league games and potentially 3 cup games before we can sign another player. Given the team's playing style, the full back should be troubled very little during a game against most opposition. .................

Sakho might have refused to go on loan, that doesn't mean Klopp will play him anytime soon, Gomez will be in a very not match fit position for much of the 17 games you mention, I do think he's good if not very good though.

If the piece in bold really held water Moreno wouldn't be dropped for Milner.

dogbert27

Augeo wrote: »

Every professional manager does

Not every professional manager

Grayditch

I'm amazed at how cut throat Klopp is when it comes to telling some players "You're done here" and how soft he is with Moreno.

I hate to be jumping on bandwagons, but the entire world seems to agree that we need a new LB and I can't help the feeling of dread going into the season without a solid one.

dogbert27

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

Can everyone who is going to be "shocked" if we don't sign a LB by the close of the transfer market on Wednesday please take a selfie of the look on your face and post it?

Vicxas

Grayditch wrote: »

I'm amazed at how cut throat Klopp is when it comes to telling some players "You're done here" and how soft he is with Moreno.

I hate to be jumping on bandwagons, but the entire world seems to agree that we need a new LB and I can't help the feeling of dread going into the season without a solid one.

Im delighted, Rodgers was too soft on a lot of deadwood in the squad.

Maybe Klopp sees a lot of potential in Moreno.

murpho999

Grayditch wrote: »

I'm amazed at how cut throat Klopp is when it comes to telling some players "You're done here" and how soft he is with Moreno.

I hate to be jumping on bandwagons, but the entire world seems to agree that we need a new LB and I can't help the feeling of dread going into the season without a solid one.

Well that's why he's the manager and the rest of the world isn't.

Klopp is not stupid so he must have some idea of what he's doing.

Francie Barrett

Harry Palmr wrote: »

So that's another two crossed off the list - Alberto to Lazio being the other. RB Salzburg is certainly a more interesting destination than Celtic.

I am disappointed. Champions League experience would have been wonderful for Wisdom to get.

kfallon

Since FSG's first deadline day when we blew £35m on Carroll, have we ever signed someone on Deadline day since?

Prob be 7-8 examples thrown out now :pac:

Francie Barrett

So who is left to try and clear out now? Balotelli is the obvious one. Looks like we would also be looking to move on Ilori and Markovic.