Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

One_Of_Shanks

marklazarcovic wrote: »

origi isolated and doing sfa

Bloody Scottish Football Association.

Good run out for him anyway, he didn't look sharp at all when he came on against Spurs imo, so at least the bit of game time is a bonus.

Agent Coulson

Looks like we really wanted Dahoud and Pulisic but both Gladbach & Dortmund refused to sell.

Liverpool will maintain their interest in two Bundesliga stars

Liverpool are planning to follow up their interest in targets Mahmoud Dahoud and Christian Pulisic in future transfer windows.

Jurgen Klopp was hoping to bring both players to Anfield this summer but completing those deals proved problematic with their clubs currently unwilling to sell.

The Reds had to admit defeat in their chase of Borussia Monchengladbach midfielder Dahoud and Borussia Dortmund winger Pulisic. However, Liverpool will continue to monitor their progress closely and retain hope that they will become Liverpool players in future.

Gladbach refused to part company with £25million rated Germany Under-21s international Dahoud having already sold fellow midfielder Granit Xhaka to Arsenal.

But with the 20-year-old having so far turned down a new contract he is expected to leave the Bundsliga outfit in 2017 when he will be down to the final year of his current deal.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-two-targets-away-11831730

Agent Coulson

It must be the worst Dutch side ever they are now losing 1 - 2 to the worst Greece side ever.

daithijjj

K-9 wrote: »

Was it yourself and me that had serious doubts about signing Mario?

I think we were in a small minority on this thread anyway, it seems way different to how some are remembering it. Called a deal on deadline day for him right as well. Thought it would be a loan but a free is getting him off the books so avoids reading about him next Summer at least.

Don't often get ones right so I'm crowing a bit on the Mario stuff!

Don't often often agree with Lloyd, and still wouldn't on marquee signings stuff, but this window was underwhelming. Even somebody like Cissokho would have done for cover, not set the world alight but dependable.

I think there were several 'regulars' who were dubious but were just relieved we got someone, another body in so to speak. A couple who were adamant he was going to be a disaster given he only ever scored every 5 games when pens were taken away. Most thought he was cheap at 16m, turns out we was robbed.

Damien360

daithijjj wrote: »

I think there were several 'regulars' who were dubious but were just relieved we got someone, another body in so to speak. A couple who were adamant he was going to be a disaster given he only ever scored every 5 games when pens were taken away. Most thought he was cheap at 16m, turns out we was robbed.

Many here thought if we could turn him around then 16m would be a steal. There was definitely an overall positive feel about him. As you say, we were robbed.

livinginkorea

Ya really didn't work out with him. Attitude was terrible too.

~Rebel~

The Dahoud thing is interesting, but I'm not entirely sure where he'd have fit in...he's another guy who needs a defensive mid beside him. Kind of feels like Wijnaldum and him were an either/or decision, rather than wanting both.

BorneTobyWilde

When Balotelli took field at Anfield the whole crowd wanted him to do well, to score, and when he did both players and crowd cheered him more than most. He had a great stage but failed to perform on it.

Agent Coulson

Coutinho on the bench for Brazil.

livinginkorea

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Coutinho on the bench for Brazil.

Left back on the bench of course.

I'll get my coat.

Kerrigooney

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Looks like we really wanted Dahoud and Pulisic but both Gladbach & Dortmund refused to sell.

Liverpool will maintain their interest in two Bundesliga stars



http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-two-targets-away-11831730

I'll believe that when I see it.

Harry Palmr

They'll both have one year left on their contracts - if Klopp makes it known he wants them and the price is right they'll move.

In other friendly news NEC played some team called FC Kleve and Taiwo Awoniyi scored a hat-trick.

One_Of_Shanks

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

When Balotelli took field at Anfield the whole crowd wanted him to do well, to score, and when he did both players and crowd cheered him more than most. He had a great stage but failed to perform on it.

I was at the game when Crouch scored his first league goal (2nd too, going on memory) against Wigan and the roar was phenomenal, even though most probably felt that he wasn't a great fit for us.
He did ok overall but the point being that the crowd did everything they could to make him feel at home.

Never saw Balotelli play in the flesh but yeah I can only assume that he was given similar treatment in the early days as you said.
One thing about our fans is that they'll always give a new guy huge support, within the ground, social media is different.

There's just something fundamentally odd about him in a footballing sense. I kind of think he doesn't really enjoy football.
He loves the fame. He probably even enjoys the fact that he's "wasting" his own talent.
He's a strange cookie.

Its a shrink he needs more than a manager.

BorneTobyWilde

Lives the lifestyle of a footballer without actually playing the game much.

One_Of_Shanks

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Lives the lifestyle of a footballer without actually playing the game much.

Yeah, exactly.

BorneTobyWilde

Klopp is an owners dream. He doesn't want to spend money and makes a profit every transfer window, and in doing so basically covers his wages and works for free.
I think Klopp views INgs as a fixer-upper , get him firing and sell next window for 24m , while bringing in a better player for 18m .

One_Of_Shanks

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Klopp is an owners dream. He doesn't want to spend money and makes a profit every transfer window, and in doing so basically covers his wages and works for free.
I think Klopp views INgs as a fixer-upper , get him firing and sell next window for 24m , while bringing in a better player for 18m .

The rags were saying that we had an offer of 20m before deadline for Ings and turned it down.
But you know how it is, could have been pish. We'll never know.

You're right though, he is a club owners dream. He'll only bring in the type of player who fits his criteria and he won't ever be the sort of manager to spend huge on a fancy-dan type player.

He'll build us up his way.

It's unfortunate that people equate that with a lack of ambition just because the fees ain't big enough but he's the right man, we have to be patient and let him do it his way.

mosstin

https://twitter.com/FinancialSs/status/771475418461470720

Agent Coulson

Ok so if it happens just go buy Neymar and have a Brazilian front 3 and let the other lad who wants to go to Arsenal go

sword1

If they succeed they will be looking to get their investment back with interest, this is an investment group with ties to the Chinese government, not a billionaire who wants a new toy ,i hope it does not happen

One_Of_Shanks

"poised to up bid"....


How can they "up" the bid when they confirmed themselves yesterday that they never even made a bid?

If the local paper says that I'm "poised to up bid" on my neighbours house but I never even bid on it in the first place then he should be sleeping fairly soundly.

dogbert27

NO NO NO!!! You wait until we have the ball before you leave your position.



You see you're a left back, it means you need to defend first



The boss thinks I'm great!!!



Lucas: He thinks you love him
Klopp: WTF??

dogbert27

dogbert27 wrote: »

...........

Lucas: He thinks you love him
Klopp: WTF??.............. .

........ mutters under his breath, he'll play more than you will Lucas

sword1

sword1 wrote: »

If they succeed they will be looking to get their investment back with interest, this is an investment group with ties to the Chinese government, not a billionaire who wants a new toy ,i hope it does not happen

100%

Even the part ownership from anyone is a worry imo.

Someone buys say 25% for £250m they'll want to see a return on that. They mightn't take 25% of the club revenue stream every year but they'll certainly want a significant percentage of it you'd imagine.

With the dollar to sterling being very unfavourable at the moment FSG might well see that it's not a great time to sell a share compared to 2/3 months ago. Especially as the revenue streams from the club make their investment no form of liability that they'd be worrying about.

I think I'm wanting FSG to keep 100% control for another while, stability to let Klopp do what he wants/needs to without new owners or part owners possibly rocking the boat.

ricero

Reckon that fsg will at least sell a stake. The rumoured money is just too much to turn down.

If this chinese money helps the club offer top wages and to also develop the anfield road end and perhaps more of anfield, then i am all for it.

There is just no way these chinese are taking over the club not to compete.

ush

sword1 wrote: »

If they succeed they will be looking to get their investment back with interest, this is an investment group with ties to the Chinese government, not a billionaire who wants a new toy ,i hope it does not happen

So, the same as the current lot, except Chinese.

Knex*

Solid work there, Dogbert

corwill

ush wrote: »

So, the same as the current lot, except Chinese.

Well, that, and being the financial arm of an appalling, murderous, downright evil regime, rather than just businessmen.

Talisman

ricero wrote: »

Reckon that fsg will at least sell a stake. The rumoured money is just too much to turn down.

If this chinese money helps the club offer top wages and to also develop the anfield road end and perhaps more of anfield, then i am all for it.

There is just no way these chinese are taking over the club not to compete.

If you're looking for a club with Chinese owners why not try Everton.

It's tabloid BS, it wasn't true the last time they spun the story, or the time before that, etc. but for some reason some people swallow it every time.

54and56

corwill wrote: »

Well, that, and being the financial arm of an appalling, murderous, downright evil regime, rather than just businessmen.

I can just see how it would unfold.

The communists take over the club and the SOS group voice their objections. Free market owners like FSG not acceptable, communist owners not acceptable.

Same ole same ole.

corwill

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

I can just see how it would unfold.

The communists take over the club and the SOS group voice their objections. Free market owners like FSG not acceptable, communist owners not acceptable.

Same ole same ole.

Look, I'm no fan of that sanctimonious pack of whiners, but if you're claiming there's anything in common between the sort of socialism espoused by SOS, and the "Socialism with Chinese characteristics"/authoritarian corporatism of the the Communist Party of China, then you're being some combination of facetious, reductionist and/or obtuse, or you know pretty much nothing about politics.

murpho999

Talisman wrote: »

If you're looking for a club with Chinese owners why not try Everton.

It's tabloid BS, it wasn't true the last time they spun the story, or the time before that, etc. but for some reason some people swallow it every time.

I don't think it is tabloid BS though. There is something there.

Here's an article from respectable business reporters Bloomberg

For me what was BS is how FSG suddenly started speaking to the press, particularly the Liverpool Echo about how the club was not for sale, just days before the China rumours started.

rob316

FSG stand to make an enormous profit, the bones of £1bn after buying the club for just 300m.

A Chinese group buying LFC with open the club up to huge potential commercial revenue. China is a fast growing football nation tapping into that could get us seriously competing again. Everbright manage something like £600b in assets they have seriously deep pockets.

ush

corwill wrote: »

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

I can just see how it would unfold.

The communists take over the club and the SOS group voice their objections. Free market owners like FSG not acceptable, communist owners not acceptable.

Same ole same ole.

Look, I'm no fan of that sanctimonious pack of whiners, but if you're claiming there's anything in common between the sort of socialism espoused by SOS, and the "Socialism with Chinese characteristics"/authoritarian corporatism of the the Communist Party of China, then you're being some combination of facetious, reductionist and/or obtuse, or you know pretty much nothing about politics.

The Chinese are the only ones who made a success of communism. Thats the kind of resolve needed for our nineteenth league title.

corwill

ush wrote: »

The Chinese are the only ones who made a success of communism. Thats the kind of resolve needed for our nineteenth league title.

They could harvest new legs for Sturridge from some Falun Gong lad.

5starpool

corwill wrote: »

Look, I'm no fan of that sanctimonious pack of whiners, but if you're claiming there's anything in common between the sort of socialism espoused by SOS, and the "Socialism with Chinese characteristics"/authoritarian corporatism of the the Communist Party of China, then you're being some combination of facetious, reductionist and/or obtuse, or you know pretty much nothing about politics.

Je suis Jean is well known for his hatred of SOS.

rob316

rob316 wrote: »

FSG stand to make an enormous profit, the bones of £1bn after buying the club for just 300m. ..........

They bought in Oct 2010, £300m was approx $465M, £1bn today gets you $1.3m ish.

Folks are thinking the rumored deal will quadruple FSGs investment, it won't due to the Sterling swing, your're looking at less than tripling ignoring all (if any, loan for stadium would be a few quid) other costs they've incurred.

All considered I reckon if they are going to sell, they might well wait another few years as I don't think their finished growing revenue streams
I'm also thinking that they may be looking at taking a longterm, healthy dividend from their investment rather than selling anything but a small portion of it.

corwill

5starpool wrote: »

Je suis Jean is well known for his hatred of SOS.

I'm not especially endeared to them, either, but I'd rather see them criticised for real sins rather than imaginary ones.

54and56

corwill wrote: »

Look, I'm no fan of that sanctimonious pack of whiners, but if you're claiming there's anything in common between the sort of socialism espoused by SOS, and the "Socialism with Chinese characteristics"/authoritarian corporatism of the the Communist Party of China, then you're being some combination of facetious, reductionist and/or obtuse, or you know pretty much nothing about politics.

Nope, I'm not. I'm expressing my expectation that pretty much no matter who comes in as owners SOS won't be happy. Their stated long term aim is to secure fan ownership yet they aren't doing anything about putting together a fan based bid for the club. ShareLiverpoolFC at least got up and running and secured commitments of £5,000 from thousands of LFC fans (myself included) but they couldn't get enough fans to commit the amount required to purchase the club so it fizzled out.

If the clubs market value is truly £1,000,000,000 any new effort to secure fan ownership, even if 30% can be leveraged, would require £700,000,000 to be pledged by fans which means 140,000 LFC fans pledging £5,000 each or 70,000 pledging £10,000 each.

Why is it the SOS are all talk about this lofty ambition and no action?

54and56

5starpool wrote: »

Je suis Jean is well known for his hatred of SOS.

Nah, that's a bit too strong. I don't "hate" them, I don't actually hate any group or individual.

I think the SOS are a glorified talking shop with a high degree of self importance which isn't backed up either by their actions or the number of members they have signed up. They talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

jcsoulinger

ush wrote: »

The Chinese are the only ones who made a success of communism. Thats the kind of resolve needed for our nineteenth league title.

What they call communism, Im not sure if that's what Karl Marks had in mind.

corwill

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

Nope, I'm not. I'm expressing my expectation that pretty much no matter who comes in as owners SOS won't be happy. Their stated long term aim is to secure fan ownership yet they aren't doing anything about putting together a fan based bid for the club. ShareLiverpoolFC at least got up and running and secured commitments of £5,000 from thousands of LFC fans (myself included) but they couldn't get enough fans to commit the amount required to purchase the club so it fizzled out.

If the clubs market value is truly £1,000,000,000 any new effort to secure fan ownership, even if 30% can be leveraged, would require £700,000,000 to be pledged by fans which means 140,000 LFC fans pledging £5,000 each or 70,000 pledging £10,000 each.

Why is it the SOS are all talk about this lofty ambition and no action?

Sure look, you'd have a pain in the swiss listening to them, on that point you and I are in agreement. I just don't like strawmen.

54and56

jcsoulinger wrote: »

What they call communism, Im not sure if that's what Karl Marks had in mind.

True and nor do these boys, http://countrystudies.us/laos/85.htm

I've been to Laos a few times and the wealth concentrated in the hands of a small number of "Communist" leaders families is something to behold. Truly "shocking", even more so than not signing another LB

The families of the leaders own all the licences to the countries considerable natural resources, GSM licences etc etc but they remain off the radar because in general they don't persecute the people and let them get on with their lives.

It's a kind of light touch modern "Communism".

Talisman

murpho999 wrote: »

I don't think it is tabloid BS though. There is something there.

Here's an article from respectable business reporters Bloomberg

For me what was BS is how FSG suddenly started speaking to the press, particularly the Liverpool Echo about how the club was not for sale, just days before the China rumours started.

There's nothing in the story though, it's all hearsay and people who don't wish to be named. The fact that Amanda Staveley's name is mentioned also suggests it's BS.

In early July the club was being bought by a Chinese art collector, in late July it was Everbright Group, now it's a consortium of investment groups that includes the Everbright Group and Amanda Staveley's PCP Capital Partners. Each time it gets bigger and bigger, kind of like Pinocchio's nose, Amanda Staveley is just the cherry on top.

In 2009, Amanda Staveley was fronting DIC's effort to buy the club from Hicks and Gillett. In 2010, Amanda Staveley was linked with Kenny Huang the person who was supposedly fronting China Investment Corporation's effort to buy the club for £350M. A matter of weeks later NESV (now FSG) bought the club for £300M. If there was really an offer of £350M don't you think that RBS would have accepted it?

I await the myriad of tabloid crap telling us what Amanda has been up to since she was last involved in a bid for the club.

ricero

I think the story is concrete especially when you have credible news sources such as the financial times, bloomberg and reuters writing about a potential chinese investment.

With the new main stand not being named yet i reckon this is perhaps being discussed in the potential takeover/selling of a stake

marklazarcovic

Finally ,a legitimate way to stick two fingers up to them on a worldwide basis...


Let them call it...


The fuk u sun stand

Agent Coulson

China are now doing what the Russians & Arabs did over the last two decades in their bids to get the World Cup they started buying up clubs around the world to promote that.

China want the World Cup.

NukaCola

https://twitter.com/Football365Life/status/771423168091283456

Wijnaldums goal last night
They all count!!.....

Gbear

jcsoulinger wrote: »

What they call communism, Im not sure if that's what Karl Marks had in mind.

Also, it's pretty horrible calling it a success when it was built with the blood of 10's of millions of their own people and it's still a totalitarian ****hole.

GBX

I see Sahko (and Illori) have been included in the premier league squad. Obviously he is down the pecking order but he could still feature at some point.

Full squad (players under 21 do not need to be included)
Roberto Firmino
Emre Can
Nathaniel Clyne
Philippe Coutinho
Jordan Henderson
Tiago Ilori
Danny Ings
Loris Karius
Ragnar Klavan
Adam Lallana
Dejan Lovren
Sadio Mane
Alexander Manninger
Joel Matip
Simon Mignolet
James Milner
Alberto Moreno
*Daniel Sturridge

Edit: Sky didn't include Sturridge in the list for some reason.