Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

corwill

GBX wrote: »

...but he could still feature at some point.

It'll take a fairly woejous batch of lasagna, I'd say.

Edit: for Illori, that is. As for Sakho, if he puts his head down and there's a selection crisis at centre half, Klopp might grit his choppers and give him what would probably be a last chance.

Agent Coulson

No Lucas, Stewart or Wijnaldum named on that list either.

Edit.

From the PL site.


25 Squad players (*=Home grown)
Barbosa de Oliveira, Roberto Firmino
Can, Emre
*Clyne, Nathaniel Edwin
Coutinho Correia, Philippe
*Henderson, Jordan Brian
Ilori, Tiago
*Ings, Daniel William John
Karius, Loris
Klavan, Ragnar
*Lallana, Adam David
Lovren, Dejan
Mane, Sadio
Manninger, Alexander
Matip, Job Joel Andre
Mignolet, Simon
*Milner, James Philip
Moreno Perez, Alberto
Pezzini Leiva, Lucas
Sakho, Mamadou
*Stewart, Kevin Linford
*Sturridge, Daniel
Wijnaldum, Georginio

Under-21 players (Contract and Scholars)
Adekanye, Omobolaji Habeeb
Alexander Arnold, Trent
Atherton, Daniel
Awoniyi, Taiwo
Brannagan, Cameron
Brewitt, Tom
Brewster, Rhian
Brimmer, Jake
Camacho, Rafael Euclides Soares
Chirivella Burgos, Pedro
Correia Gomes, Toni
Coyle, Liam
Dhanda, Yan
Driscoll-Glennon, Anthony
Ejaria, Oviemuno
Firth, Andrew
Fulton, Ryan
Garcia Rey, Juan Manuel
George, Shamal
Gomes Aju, Madger Antonio
Gomez, Joseph David
Grabara, Kamil
Grujic, Marko
Hart, Samuel James
Hunter, Jordan
Jones, Lloyd Richard
Kane, Herbie
Kelleher, Caoimhin
Kent, Ryan
Lattie, Diego Omar
Lennon, Brooks
Lewis, Adam
Lewis, Kane
Maguire, Joseph
Masterson, Conor
McAuley, Glen
Millar, Liam
Neves Alves, Paulo Manuel
Ojo, Oluwaseyi
Origi, Divock Okoth
Owens, Kris
Parker, Mich'El
Phillips, Adam Lee
Phillips, Nathaniel Harry
Randall, Connor Steven
Rodrigues De Souza, Allan
Ryan Alonso, Dylan
Simmonds, Okera
Virtue Thick, Matthew Joseph
Whelan, Corey
Whyte, Harvey
Williams, Ben
Williams, Michael Jordan
Wilson, Harry
Woodburn, Benjamin

https://www.premierleague.com/news/84136

kfallon

GBX wrote: »

I see Sahko (and Illori) have been included in the premier league squad. Obviously he is down the pecking order but he could still feature at some point.

Full squad (players under 21 do not need to be included)
Roberto Firmino
Emre Can
Nathaniel Clyne
Philippe Coutinho
Jordan Henderson
Tiago Ilori
Danny Ings
Loris Karius
Ragnar Klavan
Adam Lallana
Dejan Lovren
Sadio Mane
Alexander Manninger
Joel Matip
Simon Mignolet
James Milner
Alberto Moreno
*Daniel Sturridge

Edit: Sky didn't include Sturridge in the list for some reason.

*looks at list*
*looks again*
*Does not see Sakho's name*

BullBlackNova

Here's the full list as per the Premier League website. Including our 22-man squad, those who are considered homegrown, some funky middle names (Kevin Linford Stewart?) and the u21, youth and scholar players eligible to play.

Liverpool

25 Squad players (*=Home grown)
Barbosa de Oliveira, Roberto Firmino
Can, Emre
*Clyne, Nathaniel Edwin
Coutinho Correia, Philippe
*Henderson, Jordan Brian
Ilori, Tiago
*Ings, Daniel William John
Karius, Loris
Klavan, Ragnar
*Lallana, Adam David
Lovren, Dejan
Mane, Sadio
Manninger, Alexander
Matip, Job Joel Andre
Mignolet, Simon
*Milner, James Philip
Moreno Perez, Alberto
Pezzini Leiva, Lucas
Sakho, Mamadou
*Stewart, Kevin Linford
*Sturridge, Daniel
Wijnaldum, Georginio

Under-21 players (Contract and Scholars)
Adekanye, Omobolaji Habeeb
Alexander Arnold, Trent
Atherton, Daniel
Awoniyi, Taiwo
Brannagan, Cameron
Brewitt, Tom
Brewster, Rhian
Brimmer, Jake
Camacho, Rafael Euclides Soares
Chirivella Burgos, Pedro
Correia Gomes, Toni
Coyle, Liam
Dhanda, Yan
Driscoll-Glennon, Anthony
Ejaria, Oviemuno
Firth, Andrew
Fulton, Ryan
Garcia Rey, Juan Manuel
George, Shamal
Gomes Aju, Madger Antonio
Gomez, Joseph David
Grabara, Kamil
Grujic, Marko
Hart, Samuel James
Hunter, Jordan
Jones, Lloyd Richard
Kane, Herbie
Kelleher, Caoimhin
Kent, Ryan
Lattie, Diego Omar
Lennon, Brooks
Lewis, Adam
Lewis, Kane
Maguire, Joseph
Masterson, Conor
McAuley, Glen
Millar, Liam
Neves Alves, Paulo Manuel
Ojo, Oluwaseyi
Origi, Divock Okoth
Owens, Kris
Parker, Mich'El
Phillips, Adam Lee
Phillips, Nathaniel Harry
Randall, Connor Steven
Rodrigues De Souza, Allan
Ryan Alonso, Dylan
Simmonds, Okera
Virtue Thick, Matthew Joseph
Whelan, Corey
Whyte, Harvey
Williams, Ben
Williams, Michael Jordan
Wilson, Harry
Woodburn, Benjamin

PaddyWilliams

Look at Agent Coulson's list, he's on that!

GBX

I copied the Sky list but ... but I'm blaming the pints last not for not reading it and coping the omissions :pac:

Agent Coulson

GBX wrote: »

I copied the Sky list but ... but I'm blaming the pints last not for not reading it and coping the omissions :pac:

Nah blame Sky always blame Sky.

Talisman

ricero wrote: »

I think the story is concrete especially when you have credible news sources such as the financial times, bloomberg and reuters writing about a potential chinese investment.

With the new main stand not being named yet i reckon this is perhaps being discussed in the potential takeover/selling of a stake

The more likely scenario is that any discussions are the finalisation of the naming rights process which has been ongoing for years. There was a media feeding frenzy in 2015 with rumours about a takeover and eventually news broke that there were discussions with third parties regarding naming rights for the stand.

Anfield redevelopment on track, naming rights likely, investment possible (July, 2015)

BullBlackNova

Which of our U21 list are likely to feature?

Obviously, Origi, Grujic, Ojo, Randall and Gomez are considered first team players, but out of the rest..?

Brannagan, Chirivella, Ejaria, Fulton (out on loan?), Garcia Rey (left back!), Kent, Wilson, Woodburn?

Anyone who is more familiar than me with the list want to make some suggestions?

Talisman

BullBlackNova wrote: »

Here's the full list as per the Premier League website. Including our 22-man squad, those who are considered homegrown, some funky middle names (Kevin Linford Stewart?) and the u21, youth and scholar players eligible to play.

We're cutting it close with the homegrown players. According to the list there are 7 in the squad, there needs to 8 in order to be able to have a 25 man squad.

kfallon

GBX wrote: »

I copied the Sky list but ... but I'm blaming the pints last not for not reading it and coping the omissions :pac:

You can blame the pints last night for the 'emissions' but you can't blame them for the omissions

BullBlackNova

Talisman wrote: »

We're cutting it close with the homegrown players. According to the list there are 7 in the squad, there needs to 8 in order to be able to have a 25 man squad.

We're not as close as some others, plus we have some first teamers in the u21 list, like Origi, Grujic, etc who aren't counted toward the overall list.

If you name less than 8 homegrown, you just have to limit your overall group. So the max squad size with 7 homegrown is 24, if you name 6 homegrown its 23, etc.

In comparison, Chelsea also have just 22 players with 6 homegrown, Man City have just 20 in their squad (4 HG including Clichy), Spurs have 20 incl 6 HG and WBA just 19 in their squad.

ush

Gbear wrote: »

jcsoulinger wrote: »

What they call communism, Im not sure if that's what Karl Marks had in mind.

Also, it's pretty horrible calling it a success when it was built with the blood of 10's of millions of their own people and it's still a totalitarian ****hole.

At least they built it with their own people. Europe owes its standard of living to colonial history.

Agent Coulson

Two Irish in the under 23 squad I wonder what chance if any they have of making a match day squad this season.

It 7 or 8 years now since an Irishman wore the Liverpool Jersey.

billymitchell

BullBlackNova wrote: »

Which of our U21 list are likely to feature?

Obviously, Origi, Grujic, Ojo, Randall and Gomez are considered first team players, but out of the rest..?

Brannagan, Chirivella, Ejaria, Fulton (out on loan?), Garcia Rey (left back!), Kent, Wilson, Woodburn?

Anyone who is more familiar than me with the list want to make some suggestions?

That Woodburn lad looked excellent during pre-season, would like to see him maybe make a few sub appearances towards the tail end of the season, and also get a run out or two in the league cup.

Ejaria still seems a bit raw, but a big strong lad, good feet. Could see him start a few of our league cup games, and maybe make the bench towards the end of the season too.

But Woodburn for me seems the pick of the list from what I have seen of all those players

J Mysterio

Agree, Woodburn had a 10/10 preseason, looks super promising.

5starpool

billymitchell wrote: »

That Woodburn lad looked excellent during pre-season, would like to see him maybe make a few sub appearances towards the tail end of the season, and also get a run out or two in the league cup.

Ejaria still seems a bit raw, but a big strong lad, good feet. Could see him start a few of our league cup games, and maybe make the bench towards the end of the season too.

But Woodburn for me seems the pick of the list from what I have seen of all those players

Ben Woodburn looks a super prospect, but I do not want (nor expect) to see the league cup used as an experiment zone where we play 16 year olds. If we did that we wouldn't last very long at all. Klopp won't be doing that this season anyhow thankfully.

BeepBeep67

Talisman wrote: »

We're cutting it close with the homegrown players. According to the list there are 7 in the squad, there needs to 8 in order to be able to have a 25 man squad.

* Gomez along with Origi and Grujic to added to a 25 I suppose?

J Mysterio

Any of my fellow office drones notice that there are three Liverpool emoticons in Skype? You've got Sturridge, Coutinho and Henderson in there.

Brightened up my day for about 5 minutes.

BullBlackNova

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Two Irish in the under 23 squad I wonder what chance if any they have of making a match day squad this season.

It 7 or 8 years now since an Irishman wore the Liverpool Jersey.

Did Cleary and Masterson make the bench last season at one point or did I imagine that?

Masterson has his fans but he's very young so I wouldn't expect to see him play for another season or two, hopefully he continues to develop. Always good to see an Irish player on the pitch!!

Knex*

J Mysterio wrote: »

Any of my fellow office drones notice that there are three Liverpool emoticons in Skype? You've got Sturridge, Coutinho and Henderson in there.

Brightened up my day for about 5 minutes.

There's a Klopp one going mental too, I'm sure.

Edit: Yup

Vicxas

So, we lost to Huddersfield 2-1 today.

J Mysterio

Knex. wrote: »

There's a Klopp one going mental too, I'm sure.

Edit: Yup

Oh right, that's where that came from. Just saw it there.

Skype -> Liverpool fans

BullBlackNova

Vicxas wrote: »

So, we lost to Huddersfield 2-1 today.

Enough.

Klopp out.

F*cking done with this ****.

...

No, wait, that's not right...

Starting XI was Manninger, Milner, Matip, Lucas, Moreno, Stewart, Ejaria, Firmino, Brewster, Dhanda, Ings.

Ejaria scored LFC's goal.

sideswipe

billymitchell wrote: »

That Woodburn lad looked excellent during pre-season, would like to see him maybe make a few sub appearances towards the tail end of the season, and also get a run out or two in the league cup.

Ejaria still seems a bit raw, but a big strong lad, good feet. Could see him start a few of our league cup games, and maybe make the bench towards the end of the season too.

But Woodburn for me seems the pick of the list from what I have seen of all those players

I hope we see neither of them getting a run out at the end of the season!!

I'd rather have the team picking itself at that stage. Hopefully we'll be closing in on glory rather than having meaningless matches and giving young prospects game time!

Agent Coulson

So Milner as RB this time against Huddersfield.



Jaysus you'd nearly feel sorry for Milner at this stage all the lad wants to do is play CM and he ends up playing every other position bar CM.

BullBlackNova

Agent Coulson wrote: »

So Milner as RB this time against Huddersfield.

Jaysus you'd nearly feel sorry for Milner at this stage all the lad wants to do is play CM and he ends up playing every other position bar CM.

I think, like Walcott and his love of playing up front, Milner needs to let the CM dream die.
For me, his best position is on the right wing. It always has been and, I reckon, it always will be. We saw how he notched up assist after assist in the second half of last season from there.
I'd worry about turning him into a utility player - just because he has played everywhere doesn't mean he should!!

Buford T. Justice XIX

BullBlackNova wrote: »

I think, like Walcott and his love of playing up front, Milner needs to let the CM dream die.
For me, his best position is on the right wing. It always has been and, I reckon, it always will be. We saw how he notched up assist after assist in the second half of last season from there.
I'd worry about turning him into a utility player - just because he has played everywhere doesn't mean he should!!

Iirc, a lot of Millers assists were crosses on his left foot?

Go figure.

BullBlackNova

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Iirc, a lot of Millers assists were crosses on his left foot?

Go figure.

Quite a few were - left foot from the right wing, though.

It was the position where we saw him at his most effective I thought, and where he played a substantial amount of his football at City too.

Buford T. Justice XIX

BullBlackNova wrote: »

Quite a few were - left foot from the right wing, though.

It was the position where we saw him at his most effective I thought, and where he played a substantial amount of his football at City too.

Yeah, from the right wing but he CAN cross on his left foot and do it well.

BullBlackNova

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Yeah, from the right wing but he CAN cross on his left foot and do it well.

Yep- and nowhere did I say otherwise.

My post was responding to Milner's well publicised desire to play in the centre of midfield - I reckon he is best used out wide right.

I don't expect to see him there any time soon, mind, not with Mané's pace offering us a far more dynamic outlet.

NukaCola

BullBlackNova wrote: »

We saw how he notched up assist after assist in the second half of last season from there.

Thats the problem with how we define an assist.

1 of his assist is a one-two with Coutinho against Dortmund where Coutinho is being closed down by 2 defenders and smacks it from 20 yards out. Another assist is Milner squared a ball to Moreno who shoots from 30 yards and goes bottom corner. Another is he passed a ball to Lallana who then runs 20 yards before hitting it from 30 yards into the net. Another is he squares the ball to Firmino who shoots from 20+ yards and scores.

Thats 4 "assists" that were normal passes, the goals were made by the scorers....

I'm not trying to be harsh on Milner, he did have some good assists but some are really all down to the scorer, and thats a problem with the assist stat in general.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8UngIFbP34

Lex Luthor

BullBlackNova wrote: »

Which of our U21 list are likely to feature?

Obviously, Origi, Grujic, Ojo, Randall and Gomez are considered first team players, but out of the rest..?

Brannagan, Chirivella, Ejaria, Fulton (out on loan?), Garcia Rey (left back!), Kent, Wilson, Woodburn?

Anyone who is more familiar than me with the list want to make some suggestions?

Masterson made the bench a couple of times last season, could feature

Harry Palmr

BullBlackNova wrote: »

Which of our U21 list are likely to feature?

Obviously, Origi, Grujic, Ojo, Randall and Gomez are considered first team players, but out of the rest..?

Brannagan, Chirivella, Ejaria, Fulton (out on loan?), Garcia Rey (left back!), Kent, Wilson, Woodburn?

Anyone who is more familiar than me with the list want to make some suggestions?

5starpool wrote: »

Ben Woodburn looks a super prospect, but I do not want (nor expect) to see the league cup used as an experiment zone where we play 16 year olds. If we did that we wouldn't last very long at all. Klopp won't be doing that this season anyhow thankfully.

I think judging from Klopps comments prior to the Burton Albion tie the yoof are in for a thin time of it as regards cup appearances.

As for who's in with a chance then Brannagan is the most obvious one as he didn't go on loan Ejaria would be next in line and maybe Randall at right back to give Clyne a night off.

No chance of Woodburn playing a competitive senior game this season good as he is.

Buford T. Justice V

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Yeah, from the right wing but he CAN cross on his left foot and do it well.

When he's playing on the left he suggests his left is useless, never noticed him use his left TBH.

Buford T. Justice XIX

BullBlackNova wrote: »

Yep- and nowhere did I say otherwise.

My post was responding to Milner's well publicised desire to play in the centre of midfield - I reckon he is best used out wide right.

I don't expect to see him there any time soon, mind, not with Mané's pace offering us a far more dynamic outlet.

It wasn't aimed at anyone, really. Just an observation after a few posts had doubted his ability to cross from the left.

Which we don't really do anyway.

~Rebel~

ush wrote: »

So, the same as the current lot, except Chinese.

Probably not...i'd expect an investment group to act like an investment group, which FSG haven't.

An investment groups loyalty and first concern is to the shareholders they represent, not the companies they invest in. Their job is to yield the maximum return, with the minimum risk.

Someone investing in, say, a club like Bournemouth would need to do a certain amount of above-average spending to raise the profile of the club to increase revenue streams. It's simply a requirement - you don't need to necessarily be pushing for a title, but you need to be safe from relegation so you keep the premier league TV exposure. That's worthwhile risk spending, because the risk versus what you're trying to achieve is clearly a good tradeoff.

For Liverpool, if you're purely an investment group, I don't see the risk/reward in pushing for huge wages and transfer spending to try to win the league. We're one of the few clubs that doesn't actually need to win a league to still command worldwide name recognition. Just like how if you were to ask someone to list out all the massive clubs they could think of, AC Milan would be named early on, despite their fall from grace.

So hundreds of millions in transfers and wages, which still probably only buys you a 25% chance of winning the league, doesn't actually get you as much extra exposure as you think, and the prize money certainly isn't worth it. So why would an investment group do it? It would actually be much more cost effective to bring in a few Chinese players and use every influence you have to ensure they get occasional game time. Remember Dong Fangzhuo at United? Or how/why Sun Jihai got inducted into the English Football Hall of Fame? (for context, he got inducted a year before Denis Irwin, Mark Lawrenson, Billy Liddell, David Seaman, Neville Southall and others) That's the kind of exposure that's more interesting to external investment groups.

There's also the matter of dividends. Every investor is entitled to call for annual dividend payments on the companies profits. FSG have never done this, but again you would expect an investment group to avail. That means less profits going back into the coffers. And when dividends are paid out to one shareholder, they legally have to be paid out to all shareholders, which means FSG's cut from the majority of shares would need to be paid too (perhaps a reason they might favour an outside shareholder, as from a PR point of view it gives them a reason to take money out of the club as they would actually have no choice in the matter.)

In short, don't be so quick to wish for the unknown when the known is actually pretty good.

Just seen Pep has left Toure out of the Man City CL squad, couple that with Joe Hart being effectively thrown on the scrap heap I could see a bit of unease creeping into the dressing room.

Aguero with a 3 game ban too after 3 PL games, all might not be rosy in that garden as the season progresses.

BorneTobyWilde

Knex. wrote: »

There's a Klopp one going mental too, I'm sure.

Edit: Yup

Looks like he's punching Jay Spearing when he turns around.

Alonso77

NukaCola wrote: »

Thats the problem with how we define an assist.

1 of his assist is a one-two with Coutinho against Dortmund where Coutinho is being closed down by 2 defenders and smacks it from 20 yards out. Another assist is Milner squared a ball to Moreno who shoots from 30 yards and goes bottom corner. Another is he passed a ball to Lallana who then runs 20 yards before hitting it from 30 yards into the net. Another is he squares the ball to Firmino who shoots from 20+ yards and scores.

Thats 4 "assists" that were normal passes, the goals were made by the scorers....

I'm not trying to be harsh on Milner, he did have some good assists but some are really all down to the scorer, and thats a problem with the assist stat in general.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8UngIFbP34

Sometimes the simple pass assist is the most underrated of all. How many times over the years have we seen players over hit or mis judge a pass? Keeping it simple is a virtue at times!!! I should know - its how my mind works!

One_Of_Shanks

God's goal tonight in a charity game at Wembley. 41 now and still lethal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKbzPPVgmDc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKbzPPVgmDc

NukaCola

Alonso77 wrote: »

Sometimes the simple pass assist is the most underrated of all. How many times over the years have we seen players over hit or mis judge a pass? Keeping it simple is a virtue at times!!! I should know - its how my mind works!

Not really my point but yea I agree sometimes keeping it simple is the way to go, and Milner made the correct choices but I'm more talking about people using assists as a tool to determine creativity and setting up goals.

Someone said he racked up the assists from playing right midfield but really didn't in reality, not to say he didn't do very well. Milner did not set up Coutinho for a goal versus Dortmund for example but gets the same credit as his excellent assist versus Everton.......one was a simple return pass leaving Coutinho to do all the work, the other was a perfect cross....

Francie Barrett

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

God's goal tonight in a charity game at Wembley. 41 now and still lethal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKbzPPVgmDc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKbzPPVgmDc

That's unreal. It really makes me sad though, as good as Robbie was, if he had taken care of himself better, he could have been even better.

I'd say injuries were the main issue with Fowler, he had is hip removed and the socket cleaned out or something horrific like that. From some medical viewpoints that could have been career ending. If it wasn't for his finshing ability it probably would have been

To be fair he no doubt could have eeked a bit/lot more of himself with clean diet and no pints etc but he became a pro footballer in an era where he went down to the local chipper after playing for LFC as a 17 year old striker.

Flawed genius perhaps but I reckon he himself has no/little regrets regarding looking after himself better as a pro.

RainMakerToo

Augeo wrote: »

To be fair he no doubt could have eeked a bit/lot more of himself with clean diet and no pints etc but he became a pro footballer in an era where he went down to the local chipper after playing for LFC as a 17 year old striker.

I was at this match years ago: http://www.11v11.com/matches/liverpool-v-sheffield-wednesday-01-october-1994-21790/

Out for a few pints around town later that night, was amazed to run into Robbie and McManaman plodding around looking fairly drunk, munching away on their curry chips!

klose

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Masterson made the bench a couple of times last season, could feature

During that cup game around that time we had a bizzare amount of injuries, Jose Enrique and the lesser spotted Tiago ilori started that day at centre back. Not a hope in hell masterson gets anywhere near the team this year, do hope he gets game time for the u23s.

As an aside I hope the new format which seems to be changing season after season works out, even a reliable amount of games evenly spaced out would suffice, it was nothing short of farcical last season.

5starpool

Fuk off stupid international break.

J Mysterio

5starpool wrote: »

Fuk off stupid international break.

Yeah, bastard international break. No one likes you.

garra

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/02/xabi-alonso-i-want-to-win-everything-there-is-to-win-with-bayern-munich-liverpool

Extract:

"Alonso is the only player in football history to have experienced the management of those considered as the great four modern European coaches: Benítez, José Mourinho, Carlo Ancelotti and Pep Guardiola. Each one of them has admitted that success follows them because they find a way to govern the midfield, the area where Alonso plays. He is far too modest to acknowledge that his presence and brain have been a crucial influence in all of the teams he has performed in.

“If you win the midfield, you probably win the game,” he confesses. “But that doesn’t mean the players in the midfield are the ones alone who determine that, because now we have strikers who drop into midfield and defenders who move up into the midfield. It is the area you must dominate. If you have control of the midfield, you have control of the game and you have more chances to win.”


I fear we will not be controlling enough in midfield this season to really challenge for the title, this is where we will fall short.

SM01

Nothing much happening but the Daily Mail have an interview with Klopp at the moment. Linky:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3771348/Jurgen-Klopp-m-not-saying-world-s-best-m-quite-good.html