Ironman Road Closures, forcing M50 Toll usage 14th August

lucernarian

I'm surprised at the level of defense given to a highly disruptive event that will disrupt much of Dublin's transport... Is it because only a few people work there on Sunday mornings so "they don't matter"?

I thought this was the commuting and transport forum...

Seanie_H

Light Olive wrote: »

We probably need a few fatalities, like the Mafia House concert in the Phoenix Park, before local residents views are taken on board.

Wow. That is of very poor taste. My mind boggles at how some fatalities would corroborate your complaints over access and parking.

I see the Dublin Marathon may sell out this year at 17.5k people! The residents adjacent to that route have been sacrificing their access for many years. Great to see such a welcoming and positive attitude. Many would say it's a trait of the Irish.

Seanie_H

ted1 wrote: »

Rolling road closures are far from a scam.

Exactly. The alternative is a blanket closure of roads irrespective or whether there are athletes there or not.

Rolling closures reduce the impact of the event even further.

Hilly Bill

What is the event for large women light olive? As the wife may be interested :-).
I'll have to take a detour on Sunday morning but it's no issue as it's only for a few hours in the morning. It's worse if you didn't know in advance and get turned away at a road block.

cython

P_1 wrote: »

And for those who need to cross the river to get to work?

07Lapierre wrote: »

There going to be late...unless they heed the warning signs and leave earlier or take the M50? Maybe they've taken the day off to do a triathlon? who knows?

Or, and I know this is a revolutionary idea, they could walk across if in the city centre! According to any of the signage the disruption and closures are primarily to vehicular traffic, and while there may be delays in crossing roads, there should be crossing points where people can be gotten across between competitors passing.

P_1

cython wrote: »

Or, and I know this is a revolutionary idea, they could walk across if in the city centre! According to any of the signage the disruption and closures are primarily to vehicular traffic, and while there may be delays in crossing roads, there should be crossing points where people can be gotten across between competitors passing.

A fair point though I was (perhaps mistakenly) assuming that if the roads were closed, crossing on foot would also be a no go. As an aside what section of the triathlon goes over the quays? If it's the cycle then assuming the rolling closures are on the ball (i.e the junctions aren't closed 30 mins before and 30 mins after the peleton passes) then disruption should be minimal. If it's the run then it is fairly poorly planned.

Deu

Is Carton House not on the same side of the Liffey as Castleknock?

ThisRegard

P_1 wrote: »

If it's the cycle then assuming the rolling closures are on the ball (i.e the junctions aren't closed 30 mins before and 30 mins after the peleton passes) then disruption should be minimal. If it's the run then it is fairly poorly planned.

There is no peleton in triathlon, you'll have dribs and drabs of varying levels scattered around the course, determined by a combination of their wave start and swim time.

Seve OB

Deu wrote: »

Is Carton House not on the same side of the Liffey as Castleknock?

yes

Dravokivich

Deu wrote: »

Is Carton House not on the same side of the Liffey as Castleknock?

The road to it will be closed due to the Ironman event.

Saying there are rolling closures just means earlier sections will be opened up. My reading of the flier, there's large sections that are closed off for quite a long duration of the event.

snickerpuss

Will it definitely be possible to walk across the quays? Will need to get to Trinity on Saturday morning from the northside. Also everyone suggesting the M50 as an alternative assumes that everyone can drive or that they have somewhere to park once they get southside.

LXFlyer

snickerpuss wrote: »

Will it definitely be possible to walk across the quays? Will need to get to Trinity on Saturday morning from the northside. Also everyone suggesting the M50 as an alternative assumes that everyone can drive or that they have somewhere to park once they get southside.

The race is on SUNDAY morning!

cython

P_1 wrote: »

A fair point though I was (perhaps mistakenly) assuming that if the roads were closed, crossing on foot would also be a no go. As an aside what section of the triathlon goes over the quays? If it's the cycle then assuming the rolling closures are on the ball (i.e the junctions aren't closed 30 mins before and 30 mins after the peleton passes) then disruption should be minimal. If it's the run then it is fairly poorly planned.

DCC information page on the matter states that pedestrian access will be maintained, so while I'm not sure of the exact logistics, it seems as though there will be a mechanism in place for it.

donspeekinglesh

Dravokivich wrote: »

The road to it will be closed due to the Ironman event.

Only the Dunboyne Rd entrance, the main entrance will still be open.

There's a Garda controlled crossing point at the Moyglare crossroads. So it's possible to get from the M3 to Carton. I'm not sure if the junction on the R156 is open for you to turn left where the cyclists are turning right, but if not you can take the right turn just after Ballymcoll Stud on the road to Maynooth. From there head to Kilcloon, and then keep going west on to the Moyglare road. Then South through the crossing into Maynooth.

LXFlyer

Dublin Bus diversions for this event:

Dublin Ironman Diversions

Published on Wednesday, August 03, 2016






We wish to advise customers that due to the Ironman 70.3 Dublin on Sunday 14th August the following diversions will apply from first bus until approx 10:00hrs (except Route 70 & 270):

Route 4
From Harristown
Operate to Parnell Square East and terminate.
From Monkstown Avenue
No service.

Route 7
From Loughlinstown / Cherrywood
Normal Route to Sallynoggin Road then divert via Glenageary Road Upper, Mounttown Road Lower, Mounttown Road Upper, Monkstown Avenue, Brookville Park, Fluerville, R825, Stillorgan Road, Nutley Lane to Merrion Road and back on to normal route to Pearse Street (stop 400) and terminate.
From Pearse Street
Depart Pearse Street to Nassau Street and back on to normal route to Merrion Road, then divert to Nutely Lane, Stillorgan Road, left to R825, Fleurville, Brookville Park, Monkstown Avenue, Mount Town Road Upper, Mount Town Road Lower, Glenageary Road Upper to Sallynoggin Road and back on to normal route.

Route 9
From Charlestown
Normal route to Parnell Square East and terminate.
Towards Charlestown
Depart Parnell Square East and operate from Parnell Square West and back on to normal route.

Route 11
From Sandyford Industrial Estate
First bus 09:20hrs will operate normal route to city centre and wait at Westmoreland Street for reopening of bridges at 10:00hrs.

Route 13
From Harristown
Normal Route to Dorset Street then divert left to Gardiner Street and terminate at Mountjoy Square North.
From City Centre towards Harristown
Depart Mountjoy Square North and operate via Gardiner Street to Dorset Street and back on to normal route.
From Grange Castle
Normal Route to Westmoreland Street then divert to Townsend Street, Tara Street, Burgh Quay, Hawkins Street and terminate.
From City Centre towards Grange Castle
Depart Hawkins Street to College Street and back on to normal route.

Route 14
From Beaumont (Ardlea Rd.)
Normal Route to Amiens Street then divert right to Talbot Street Street and terminate at 42/43 terminus.
From City Centre towards Beaumont (Ardlea Rd.)
Depart Talbot Street on City Centre time and operate via Gardiner Street to Beresford Place and normal route.
From Dundrum Luas Station
Normal Route to Westmoreland Street then divert to Townsend Street, Tara Street, Burgh Quay, Hawkins Street and terminate.
From City Centre towards Dundrum Luas Station
Depart Hawkins Street to College Street and back on to normal route.

Route 15
From Clongriffin
Normal route to Amiens Street then divert right to Talbot Street and terminate at 42/43 terminus.
From City Centre towards Clongriffin
Depart Talbot Street and divert via Gardiner Street to Beresford Place and back on to normal route.
From Ballycullen Road
Normal Route to Westmoreland Street then divert to Townsend Street, Tara Street, Burgh Quay, Hawkins Street and terminate.
From City Centre towards Ballycullen Road
Depart Hawkins Street to College Street and back on to normal route.

Route 15a/b
Buses will operate from Ringsend Garage via Pearse Street.

Route 16
From Dublin Airport
Normal Route to Dorset Street then divert left to Gardiner Street and terminate at Mountjoy Square North.
From City Centre towards Dublin Airport
Depart Mountjoy Square North and divert via Gardiner Street to Dorset Street and back on to normal route.
From Ballinteer (Kingston)
Normal Route to Westmoreland Street then divert to Townsend Street, Tara Street, Burgh Quay, Hawkins Street and terminate.
From City Centre towards Ballinteer (Kingston)
Depart Hawkins Street on city centre time to College Street and back on to normal route.

Route 18
From Palmerstown towards Ballsbridge Only
Normal route to Ballsbridge then divert right to Anglesea Road left to Simmonscourt Road and terminate.
Towards Palmerstown (Old Lucan Rd.)
Depart Simmonscourt Road left to Ballsbridge and back on to normal route.

Routes 25
From Merrion Sq. Towards Lucan
Normal route to Islandbridge then divert to South Circular Road, Chapelizod bypass and back on to normal route.
Towards Merrion Sq.
Divert at Palmerston, Chapelizod bypass, South Circular Road, Old Kilmainham Road, Mount Brown, James’ Street, Thomas Street, High Street, Dame Street, Westmoreland Street to D’Olier Street and back on to normal route.

Routes 25a/b
From Merrion Sq. towards Lucan
Normal route.
Towards Merrion Sq.
Normal route to junction with South Circular Rd., then divert right to South Circular Rd., left to Old Kilmainham, Mount Brown, James’ Street, Thomas Street, High Street, Dame Street, Westmoreland Street to D’Olier Street and back on to normal route.

Route 27
From Clare Hall
Normal route to Amiens Street then divert right to Talbot Street and terminate at 42/43 terminus.
From City Centre towards Clare Hall
Depart Talbot Street and operate via Gardiner Street to Beresford Place and back on to normal route.
From Jobstown
Normal Route to Westmoreland Street then divert to Townsend Street, Tara Street, Burgh Quay, Hawkins Street and terminate.
From City Centre towards Jobstown
Depart Hawkins Street to College Street and back on to normal route.

Route 27a
Operate via Talbot Street to and from Bus Stop 130 on Abbey Street.

Route 27b
Operate via Talbot Street to and from Bus Stop 130 on Abbey Street.


Route 37
Towards City Centre
Normal route to Manor Street then divert left to North Brunswick Street right to Church Street left to North King Street right to Dominick Street left to Parnell Street left to Parnell Square West and terminate.
From City Centre
Depart Parnell Square West, Granby Row, Western Way, Constitution Hill right to North King Street, Queen Street, Hendrick Street, Blackhall Place and back on to normal route.

Routes 38/a
Towards City Centre
Normal route to Parnell Square East then divert right to Parnell Square West and terminate.
From City Centre
Depart Parnell Square West to normal route.

Routes 39/a
Towards City Centre
Normal route to Manor Street then divert left to North Brunswick Street,Constitution Hill, Western Way, Blessington Street Parnell Square East, Parnell Street left to Parnell Square West and terminate.
From City Centre
Depart Parnell Square West, Granby Row, Western Way, Constitution Hill right to North King Street, Queen Street, Hendrick Street, Blackhall Place and back on to normal route.

Route 40
From Finglas Village
Normal Route to Dorset Street then divert left to Gardiner Street and terminate at Mountjoy Square North.
From City Centre towards Finglas Village
Depart Mountjoy Square North and divert via Gardiner Street to Dorset Street and back on to normal route.
From Liffey Valley Shopping Centre
Normal Route to Westmoreland Street then divert to Townsend Street, Tara Street, Burgh Quay, Hawkins Street and terminate.
From City Centre towards Liffey Valley Shopping Centre
Depart Hawkins Street to College Street and back on to normal route.

Route 45a
Towards Dún Laoghaire
Normal route to George’s Street upper then divert straight to George’s Street lower left to York Road right to Mounttown Road Upper, to terminate at Mounttown Road Upper outside Monkstown School.
Towards Mackintosh Park
Depart Mounttown Road upper right to Mounttown Road lower left to Glenageary Road Upper to Sallynoggin Road Lower and back on to normal route.

Route 46a
From Phoenix Park
Normal route to Parnell Square East and terminate.
Towards Phoenix Park
Operate to Parnell Square West and back on to normal route to Phoenix Park.
From City Centre towards Dún Laoghaire
Operate from Bus Stop 400 Pearse Street to Nassau Street and back on to normal route to Mounttown Road Lower then divert left to Mounttown Road Upper turn to terminate at Mounttown Road Upper outside Monkstown School.
From Monkstown School towards City Centre
Depart and turn right to Mounttown Road Lower and back on to normal route.

Route 47
From Fleet St.
Normal route to Sandymount Road then divert to Gilford Road, Park avenue and back on to normal route.
From Belarmine
Normal route to Park Avenue then divert straight on Park Avenue to Sandymount Green and back on to normal route.

Route 59
Towards Dún Laoghaire
Normal route to George’s Street upper then divert straight to George’s Street lower left to York Road right to Mounttown Upper turn on Roundabout to terminate at Mounttown Road Upper outside Monkstown School.
Towards Mackintosh Park
Depart Mounttown Road upper right to Mounttown Road lower left to Glenageary Road Upper to Avondale Road and back on to normal route.

Route 63
Towards Dún Laoghaire
Normal route to Mounttown Road Lower then divert left to Mounttown Road Upper, turn on Roundabout to terminate at Mounttown Road Upper outside Monkstown School.
Towards Kilternan
Depart and turn right to Mounttown Road Lower and back on to normal route.

Route 66/a
Towards Maynooth
Normal route to Islandbridge then divert to South Circular Road, Chapelizod By Pass and back on to normal route.
Towards Merrion Sq.
Normal route to then divert at Palmerston, Chapelizod By Pass to junction with South Circular, Old Kilmainham road, Mount Brown, James’ Street, Thomas Street, High Street, Dame Street, Westmoreland Street to D’Olier Street and back on to normal route.

Route 67
Towards Maynooth
Normal route to Islandbridge then divert to South Circular Road, Chapelizod By Pass and back on to normal route.
Towards Merrion Sq.
Divert at Palmerston, Chapelizod By Pass to junction with South Circular, Old Kilmainham road, Mount Brown, James’ Street, Thomas Street, High Street, Dame Street, Westmoreland Street to D’Olier Street and back on to normal route.

Route 70 - Diversion in place until 14:00hrs
From City Centre
Depart Parnell Square West, Granby Row, Western Way, Constitution Hill right to North King Street, Queen Street, Hendrick Street, Blackhall Place and normal route to Clonee and terminate at The Grasshopper pub.
From Clonee
Depart Clonee, normal route to Manor Street then divert left to North Brunswick Street right to Church Street left to North King Street right to Dominick Street left to Parnell Street left to Parnell Square West and terminate.

Route 75
Towards Dún Laoghaire
Normal route to Mounttown Road Lower then divert left to Mounttown Road Upper turn on Roundabout to terminate at Mounttown Road Upper outside Monkstown School.
Towards Tallaght
Depart and turn right to Mounttown Road Lower and back on to normal route.

Route 83
From Harristown
Normal route to Phibsborough Road then divert left to Western Way, Blessington Street Parnell Square East and terminate.
From City Centre towards Harristown
Depart Parnell Square East and operate from Parnell Square West to Western Way Phibsborough Road and normal Route.
From Kimmage
Normal Route to Westmoreland Street then divert to Townsend Street, Luke Street and terminate.
From City Centre towards Kimmage
Depart Luke Street to Burgh Quay, D’Olier Street College Street and back on to normal route.

Route 122
From Ashington
Normal route to Parnell Square East and terminate.
From City Centre towards Ashington
Depart Parnell Square East and operate on normal route.
From Drimnagh Road
Normal route to Westmoreland Street then divert to Townsend Street, Luke Street and terminate.
From City Centre towards Drimnagh Road
Depart Luke Street to Burgh Quay, D'Olier Street, College Street and back on to normal route.

Route 123
From Marino
Normal route to Parnell Street then divert straight and right to Parnell Square west and terminate.
From City Centre towards Marino
Depart Parnell Square West and divert via Parnell Square North, Parnell Square East, to Parnell Street and back on to normal route.
From Walkinstown (Kilnamanagh Rd.)
Normal Route to Westmoreland Street then divert to Townsend Street, Luke Street and terminate.
From City Centre towards Walkinstown (Kilnamanagh Rd.)
Depart Luke Street to Burgh Quay, D'Olier Street, College Street and back on to normal route.

Route 145
From Heuston Rail Station
From Heuston divert to Conyngham Road, South Circular Road left to Old Kilmainham, James Street, Thomas Street, High Street, Dame Street to D’Olier Street and back on to normal route.
Towards Heuston Rail Station
Normal route.

Route 151
Towards City Centre
Normal Route to Patrick Street then divert to Lord Edward Street, Dame Street, Westmoreland Street, Townsend Street, Luke Street to Poolbeg Street and terminate.
Towards Foxborough (Balgaddy Rd.)
Depart Poolbeg Street to Hawkins Street, College Street and back on to normal route.

Please Note: A shuttle service will operate from East Road Road via route 151 to Amiens Street turning at Talbot Street to Gardiner Street and back via Amiens Street Northstrand, Annesley Place to East Wall Road and East Road until roads are reopened.

Route 270
Diversion will be in place until 14:00hrs
Normal route to Clonee and terminate at the Grasshopper pub.
From Clonee
Depart Clonee to normal route.

Route 747
From Heuston Rail Station Towards Dublin Airport
Departures from Dublin Airport and alternate with one service to and from Heuston via the M50, Palmerstown and Johns Road to and from Heuston. The alternate Service will operate to and from Bus Aras via the Malahide Road, Fairview and Amiens Street/ Talbot Street/ Gardiner Street.

Route 757
From Dublin Airport Towards Camden Street
Normal route to East Wall Road then to Sheriff Street, Oriel Street, Mayor Street, Sherriff Street, Amiens Street, Talbot Street, Gardiner Street to Busaras and terminate.
From Camden Street Towards Dublin Airport
Depart Busaras then divert to Amiens Street, North Strand, Fairview, Malahide Road left to Collins Avenue right to N1 to M1 and back on to normal route.

City Tour
Due to the closure of all City Centre bridges there will be no City Tour service until 10:00hrs when the bridges reopen.

LXFlyer

Bus Eireann diversions:

Road Closures in Dublin due to the Iron Man Marathon 2016



We wish to notify customers that due to the Iron Man Marathon taking place in Dublin on Sunday, 14 August 2016, the bridges over the Liffey in Dublin City will be closed between 07.00 and 10.15 (subject to change by An Garda Síochána).

As a result, of these closures, the following Routes will be affected:

Route 2 & Route 133

Services operating to Busáras/Dublin Airport

Services will join the M50 before Stillorgan, travel to M3 (Blanchardstown Exit) Navan Road then Busáras, Drumcondra and Dublin Airport.

Services operating from Dublin Airport

Services will operate via Drumcondra, Busáras, Navan Road, M50 to Stillorgan and then back on route

The following bus stops will not be served in either directions:

Kildare Street, Lesson Street, Burlington Hotel, Donnybrook, Stillorgan and Belfield.

Route 103

Services will not operate via Townsend Street

Routes 115, 120 & 126

Services operating to Dublin

Services will operate via M50 to M3 (Blanchardstown Exit) Navan Road, Phibsboro, North Circular Road and then to Connolly station.

Services operating from Dublin;

Services will operate via North Circular, Phibsboro, Navan Rd, M50 and then back on respective routes.

Routes 20/22/23/115/115A;

Will be unable to access Kilcock Village or Maynooth. Services will pick up/drop off in Maynooth at the 66 Terminus adjacent to the Esso Station.

Services will pick up/drop off in Kilcock at the M4 and drop off/pick up at Musgraves R148

Route 100X

Services to/from Beresford Place

Services operating from Dundalk
Services will operate via Drumcondra, Dorset St, Parnell Sq, left into Cathal Brugha St, and right into Marlboro St and Beresford Place.



Services operating from Beresford Place
Services will operate via Gardiner St, Drumcondra and Dublin Airport.

Expressway Services

All Expressway Routes that operate to Dublin City first and then to Dublin Airport will operate via M50, depart at M3 exit for city centre via Navan Rd, Phibsboro, Dorset St, Gardiner St, and Busáras, to Dublin Airport.

Services from Busáras will operate via Drumcondra, Whitehall, M50 and return to respective routes.

Northern Routes

Services will operate via Drumcondra, Whitehall, Dublin Airport/Busáras.

TheChrisD

lxflyer wrote: »

Dublin Bus diversions for this event:

Nice of DB to essentially completely cut Dunboyne off for most of the morning with them only going to Clonee :mad:

Dunno why they can't terimate at Dunboyne train station as they've always done whenever there's an event going through the village - particularly as the Ironman track turns right to come down the Rooske Road right past my place; which is way before the train station.

LXFlyer

Have you asked them?

Mr.Frame

Its a ridiculous situation, no consultation with any of the transport providers.
You have a situation now that passengers coming in from Dublin Airport and whos hotel is lets say in Temple Bar or Merrion Sq will have to be taken via the M50 to get there.
Its wrong , pure and simple.
You would imagine DCC would have at least provided one bridge to remain open in the city centre, but no they go ahead and allow an Ironman competition to disrupt the public and tourists alike.

TheChrisD

lxflyer wrote: »

Have you asked them?

Did. Got ignored.

markjbloggs

Mr.Frame wrote: »

Its a ridiculous situation, no consultation with any of the transport providers.
You have a situation now that passengers coming in from Dublin Airport and whos hotel is lets say in Temple Bar or Merrion Sq will have to be taken via the M50 to get there.
Its wrong , pure and simple.
You would imagine DCC would have at least provided one bridge to remain open in the city centre, but no they go ahead and allow an Ironman competition to disrupt the public and tourists alike.

This happened last Saturday as well - these guys are operating to an agenda that does not consider the needs of their own citizens.

monument

It's normal for cities across the world to hold large events like these. Although the Ironman route seems to be one of the most disruptive I've seen. But some of it seem to extended closing hours listed when rolling closures may lead to the roads opened quicker???

markjbloggs wrote: »

This happened last Saturday as well - these guys are operating to an agenda that does not consider the needs of their own citizens.

Last week's event was far less disruptive, ie the East Link kept open and bridges opening as the event moved westwards.

Grandeeod

Garth Brooks must be pissin himself with laughter!:D

ThisRegard

Grandeeod wrote: »

Garth Brooks must be pissin himself with laughter!:D

I've no idea how the two are related.

Grandeeod

ThisRegard wrote: »

I've no idea how the two are related.

DCC and disruption.

Chuchote

It would surely be worth a parliamentary question why there isn't a free toll on the mornings when things like this are going on.

HeidiHeidi

I got stuck on the wrong side of this this morning - in the Phoenix Park, home in Kilmainham - went off around the M50 to the N7 (having heard that the N4 was backed up) and was home in 15 minutes.

Hardly the end of the world!

ThisRegard

Grandeeod wrote: »

DCC and disruption.

And again, how are they related? Gareth Brooks was granted permission for several nights wasn't he?

uck51js9zml2yt

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

I got stuck on the wrong side of this this morning - in the Phoenix Park, home in Kilmainham - went off around the M50 to the N7 (having heard that the N4 was backed up) and was home in 15 minutes.

Hardly the end of the world!

I just stayed in bed a few hours longer...same result

HeidiHeidi

Mylah Nice Laser wrote: »

I just stayed in bed a few hours longer...same result

I was going home from work to GO to bed

Grandeeod

ThisRegard wrote: »

And again, how are they related? Gareth Brooks was granted permission for several nights wasn't he?

Nope.

I'm no Garth Brooks fan either. But when you look at the amount of disruption caused by Ironman on the roads, it really exposes how silly the whole DCC Vs a concert really was.

ThisRegard

Nope what? Nope he wasn't given permission for several gigs?

For starters the closures were spread over 3 Dublin councils and 1 Meath one I'm sure, and while extensive across the city, was only 1 morning.

Plus there wasn't already a planning permission clause allowing a limit to such events which would have been exceeded had the Iron Man gone ahead.

You either want the city to follow agreed upon planning guidelines, or you can go back to the previous decades where such minor trivialities could be rode rough shod on a brown envelope over.

Grandeeod

ThisRegard wrote: »

Nope what? Nope he wasn't given permission for several gigs?

For starters the closures were spread over 3 Dublin councils and 1 Meath one I'm sure, and while extensive across the city, was only 1 morning.

Plus there wasn't already a planning permission clause allowing a limit to such events which would have been exceeded had the Iron Man gone ahead.

You either want the city to follow agreed upon planning guidelines, or you can go back to the previous decades where such minor trivialities could be rode rough shod on a brown envelope over.

I just want DCC to be consistant and sensible. I remember the days of "brown envelopes" and even as far back as Wood Quay.

magicbastarder

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

I got stuck on the wrong side of this this morning - in the Phoenix Park, home in Kilmainham - went off around the M50 to the N7 (having heard that the N4 was backed up) and was home in 15 minutes.

Hardly the end of the world!

this raises a question for me; in that people are complaining that the road closures would cost them extra in terms of possibly/probably paying tolls; assuming they actually do, what is an extra €3 once in one year, really compared to the cost of just owning a car, let alone using it?

you get to use your car 365 days a year, and it does cost money; but why should you resent the freedom you have to do so being curtailed in a relatively small way for probably 0.1% of the time you use that car (and only if you're directly affected by the closures).

i own a 07 reg skoda octavia. it costs me nearly a grand a year just to have it sitting in the driveway (and that's assuming it passes the NCT with no problems). i'd feel like a right prick if i was to insist that that thousand quid entitled me to prevent a triathlon from taking place. if car ownership entitles people to prevent such activities from taking place, we really have reached the wrong balance.

endagibson

Grandeeod wrote: »

Nope.

I'm no Garth Brooks fan either. But when you look at the amount of disruption caused by Ironman on the roads, it really exposes how silly the whole DCC Vs a concert really was.

Does it?
Road closures for a few hours vs. a tubby Texan who spat out his dummy in a huff over only being allowed to play three concerts in Croker.