General Premier League Thread - 2016/2017

davycc

Manchester United

Handball goal awful refereeing there. Same old Arsenal always cheating

niallo27

Tottenham

How can he give that goal. He more or less punched it in.

Skylinehead

davycc wrote: »

Handball goal awful refereeing there. Same old Arsenal always cheating

Awww cheer up Davy

Unearthly

Chelsea

Was Koscielny offside as well when Ox hit it?

davycc

Manchester United

Skylinehead wrote: »

Awww cheer up Davy

I'm happy out cheers my spurs spanked peps superheroes ! Did you not see the hand ball,?

8-10

Unearthly wrote: »

Was Koscielny offside as well when Ox hit it?

Clearly. And ox's shot wasn't on target. Disgrace of a decision

bill66

Yes 5 or 6 yards off side and handball...... it all evens out over a season though:cool:

Skylinehead

davycc wrote: »

I'm happy out cheers my spurs spanked peps superheroes ! Did you not see the hand ball,?

I most certainly did. I am delighted. So why are we always cheating? Not as if we gouge eyes like certain clubs a few miles away :cool:

davycc

Manchester United

8-10 wrote: »

Clearly. And ox's shot wasn't on target. Disgrace of a decision

That's the point I was trying to make before an Arsenal fan mod threw a hissy fit ,

Wonder what Henry the smug sod.will have to say back in the studio?

Skylinehead

davycc wrote: »

That's the point I was trying to make before an Arsenal fan mod threw a hissy fit ,

Wonder what Henry the smug sod.will have to say back in the studio?

I don't mod here bud, totally irrelevant

Iused2likebusts

Horrible way for Burnley to miss out on a point. They also conceded in the 5th minute of injury time to hull in a 1 1 draw. Still think they will be solid enough at home to just about stay up this time around.

davycc

Manchester United

Laurent now saying he didn't think the ball hit his arm! Sky showed it was going wide until it hits his hand. They need to show the cheating sod the reply

Skylinehead

Did Koscielny kick that into himself?

Pepe LeFrits

davycc wrote: »

Laurent now saying he didn't think the ball hit his arm! Sky showed it was going wide until it hits his hand. They need to show the cheating sod the reply

:rolleyes:

davycc

Manchester United

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Are you watching it on sky? I quoted him word for word. .

Skylinehead

davycc wrote: »

Are you watching it on sky? I quoted him word for word. .

I think it's more the insinuation that he cheated. Do you really think he meant that Davy?

davycc

Manchester United

Henry on sky now saying he can understand if koschemlys goal is disallowed for handball...

Understatement of the fecking year lol

sligeach

That was sickening end to the game in a number of ways.

blueser

davycc wrote: »

Laurent now saying he didn't think the ball hit his arm! Sky showed it was going wide until it hits his hand. They need to show the cheating sod the reply

To be fair, 95% of players would say the same thing. It is a bit of a piss take of a reply though. Not that he or the Arsenal fans will give a flying you know what about what people think.

Mr.Nice Guy

Manchester United

It's only handball if it's deliberate; it's amazing the amount of people that seem unaware of this.

Koscielny was not guilty of handball. The goal was perfectly legitimate.

davycc

Manchester United

Skylinehead wrote: »

I think it's more the insinuation that he cheated. Do you really think he meant that Davy?

Sky should show him the reply and ask him to clarify his assumption that he didn't hand ball it. .. I play myself at a lower level and even I would feel the bang of the ball deflecting in off my hand \arm \backside

Skylinehead

davycc wrote: »

Sky should show him the reply and ask him to clarify his assumption that he didn't hand ball it. .. I play myself at a lower level and even I would feel the bang of the ball deflecting in off my hand \arm \backside

Does it really matter what anyone says after the match? I'm talking about what happened on the pitch here.

SantryRed

davycc wrote: »

Sky should show him the reply and ask him to clarify his assumption that he didn't hand ball it. .. I play myself at a lower level and even I would feel the bang of the ball deflecting in off my hand \arm \backside

How bitter are you?

It was handball and should have been disallowed, but no need to be going ham about it.

SantryRed

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

It's only handball if it's deliberate; it's amazing the amount of people that seem unaware of this.

Koscielny was not guilty of handball. The goal was perfectly legitimate.

The interpretation of what constitutes deliberate is widely open for debate though. Generally it's seen as deliberate if the arm is in an unnatural position. Personally I think it should have been disallowed.

davycc

Manchester United

SantryRed wrote: »

How bitter are you?

It was handball and should have been disallowed, but no need to be going ham about it.

Not bitter at all love
It only happened a few minutes ago
Even Wenger agrees with your point on the goal should not have stood , nice bit of class from him, are you going to call him bitter too?

Lukker-

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

It's only handball if it's deliberate; it's amazing the amount of people that seem unaware of this.

Koscielny was not guilty of handball. The goal was perfectly legitimate.

No it wasn't his hand was in an unnatural position. Looked like he was protecting his face. He knew well in the post match interview.

Mr.Nice Guy

Manchester United

Here are the laws via the FA website:

HANDLING THE BALL

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm.

The following must be considered:

• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement
• touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) is an infringement
• hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) is an infringement

There was no movement of the hand towards the ball - it was smashed at him. And it was an unexpected ball as he was inches away from Oxlade-Chamberlain.

I don't see how anyone could say it met the criteria above and was deliberate. It was actually a joke that Sky asked Wenger about it imo.

It was a valid goal. There shouldn't even be an argument to the contrary.

Skylinehead

davycc wrote: »

Not bitter at all love
It only happened a few minutes ago
Even Wenger agrees with your point on the goal should not have stood , nice bit of class from him, are you going to call him bitter too?

Wenger said he didn't see it, as he always does

Nice misquoting Davy

Johner

Best odds to win the league.

City 10/11
Liverpool 9/2
Arsenal 15/2
Spurs 9/1
Chelsea 18/1
United 18/1

RasTa

Above doesn't really matter, he gained an unfair advantage as the ball only went in because it hit his hand.

Even Wenger knows he got lucky.

Mr.Nice Guy

Manchester United

RasTa wrote: »

Above doesn't really matter, he gained an unfair advantage as the ball only went in because it hit his hand.

Even Wenger knows he got lucky.

The laws of the game don't matter? :pac:

Skylinehead

RasTa wrote: »

Above doesn't really matter, he gained an unfair advantage as the ball only went in because it hit his hand.

Even Wenger knows he got lucky.

Ah here, whatever about rules about unnatural position, please point out the rule that any goal that goes in off a hand is illegal.

Pepe LeFrits

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Here are the laws via the FA website:



There was no movement of the hand towards the ball - it was smashed at him. And it was an unexpected ball as he was inches away from Oxlade-Chamberlain.

I don't see how anyone could say it met the criteria above and was deliberate. It was actually a joke that Sky asked Wenger about it imo.

It was a valid goal. There shouldn't even be an argument to the contrary.

Interesting, thanks. I think common sense would mean the goal shouldn't be given (you shouldn't be allowed gain an unfair advantage by a hand ball), but common sense rarely applies to the rules in football. Goal was good so.

RasTa

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

The laws of the game don't matter? :pac:

Hah, as if everything is interpreted to the exact letter of the law.

Skylinehead wrote: »

Ah here, whatever about rules about unnatural position, please point out the rule that any goal that goes in off a hand is illegal.

There is none obviously. No doubt you'd be of the same agreement if it went in at the other end.

Skylinehead

RasTa wrote: »

Hah, as if everything is interpreted to the exact letter of the law.



There is none obviously. No doubt you'd be of the same agreement if it went in at the other end.

Right so we're in agreement, legitimate goal.

RasTa

Skylinehead wrote: »

Right so we're in agreement, legitimate goal.

No, foul for handball

Skylinehead

RasTa wrote: »

No, foul for handball

But that's not in the rules. You do realise the rules of football govern the game of football, yes?

Lukker-

Johner wrote: »

Best odds to win the league.

City 10/11
Liverpool 9/2
Arsenal 15/2
Spurs 9/1
Chelsea 18/1
United 18/1

Liverpool 9/2??

Doesn't make much sense them being twice as likely to win the league as Spurs.

Bookies must be just reacting to the market, must be lots of "our year" this season.

Corholio

The whole 'handball has to be deliberate' rule I always find interesting. A lot of the time the handball isn't deliberate at all but looks 'unnatural'. Like, if you break it down, why would anyone purposely go to stop/block the ball with your hand inside the area? Someone would sometimes, but not anywhere near as many times as given penalties imo. I haven't seen the incident at all in the Arsenal match by the way, just making a general point.

niallo27

Tottenham

What's this hands in an unnatural position that we have heard about for years. Is that not a rule.

Pepe LeFrits

I think it's just people describing intent awkwardly. An example that jumps to mind from years back was John Terry launching himself to block a shot with his arms stretched out as wide as possible. The shot was then struck against his arm; wasn't given even though he was deliberately making himself as big as possible, i.e. his arms were in an unnatural position.

ERG89

Lukker- wrote: »

Liverpool 9/2??

Doesn't make much sense them being twice as likely to win the league as Spurs.

Bookies must be just reacting to the market, must be lots of "our year" this season.

City will win the league anyway regardless of todays result, so Sunderland might as well be 2nd favourite.
Thought Arsenal/Burnley was a terrible game to watch. Haven't seen a huge amount of games this year but I find the standard in the league is still not much higher this season.

Wrongway1985

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

It was a valid goal. There shouldn't even be an argument to the contrary.

Using your hands to direct a shot that was going wide into the net to score a goal while also being in an offside position when the initial ball was played ya sure shouldn't be an argument at all.

Arne_Saknussem

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Using your hands to direct a shot that was going wide into the net to score a goal while also being in an offside position when the initial ball was played ya sure shouldn't be an argument at all.

Onside

Wrongway1985

Arne_Saknussem wrote: »

Onside

Here we go George Boyd circled is playing the 2 fellas in question onside, if the ball is initally touched by Ox (which it does) Kos is offside I don't know how you can get clearer than that, the goal went officially down as a Ox assist Kos goal which proves this.





...it was handball too

Arne_Saknussem

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Here we go George Boyd circled is playing the 2 fellas in question onside, if the ball is initally touched by Ox (which it does) Kos is offside I don't know how you can get clearer than that, the goal went officially down as a Ox assist Kos goal which proves this.





...it was handball too

Ox never touched the ball, Koscielny played it against his own hands. There's a slow-mo replay vine around somewhere that shows it clearly.

And yeah, definite handball

niallo27

Tottenham

At the end of the day it's only arsenal so it doesn't really matter it's not going affect who wins the league or anything like that so we should all calm down a bit.

KaiserGunner

Tottenham

niallo27 wrote: »

At the end of the day it's only arsenal so it doesn't really matter it's not going affect who wins the league or anything like that so we should all calm down a bit.

Well in that case we may as well crown Man City champions after 7 games then. Unless of course it's your year.

niallo27

Tottenham

KaiserGunner wrote: »

Well in that case we may as well crown Man City champions after 7 games then. Unless of course it's your year.

I'm only winding you up, I like arsenal. I do think teams luck even out over a season most of the time so arsenal probably deserved their bit yesterday.

GreNoLi

Manchester United

Fair dinkum to chelsea, looking spritely with this formation.