General Premier League Thread - 2016/2017

Lucas Hood

Think footballers have it bad now?
Have a look at this in 1957 they played on Xmas day and then the reverse fixture the next day.

https://twitter.com/sportingintel/status/811281202242002944

ERG89

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Think footballers have it bad now?
Have a look at this in 1957 they played on Xmas day and then the reverse fixture the next day.

https://twitter.com/sportingintel/status/811281202242002944

Sunderland really have been down there in a relegation dogfight for a very long time

KaiserGunner

Tottenham

Them two matches in two days were crazy though. Look at the ridiculousness of some of the results. Chelsea 7-4 followed by a 3-0 reverse the next day. Blackpool 5-1 Leicester followed by a 2-1 win for Leicester the next day. Other results went similar ways too. Obviously it took it out of the players playing back to back like that.

greendom

KaiserGunner wrote: »

Them two matches in two days were crazy though. Look at the ridiculousness of some of the results. Chelsea 7-4 followed by a 3-0 reverse the next day. Blackpool 5-1 Leicester followed by a 2-1 win for Leicester the next day. Other results went similar ways too. Obviously it took it out of the players playing back to back like that.

There's no question that the players could physically play 2 games in 2 days if required. No question either though that performance would be affected and injuries more likely.

GavRedKing

Chelsea

Deleted User wrote: »

Moaning ? Really ?

Ya, sounds like moaning to me :

“I don't know why we play Monday. Is January 2 a special day in England?" asked Klopp. “Forty-eight hours between two games - how does this work? And then you will sit there and say: 'You didn't perform too well, how did this happen?' or "injuries. Oh?" and then this Dutch guy says 'the training is not too good'.

“How do you prepare a team for this. Do you say only 50 per cent against City because we have Sunderland on Monday? It doesn't sound like it is right. Everyone is asking why England is not too successful in big tournaments.

Full qoute here : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/10/14/jurgen-klopp-hits-out-at-liverpools-festive-schedule-and-aims-di/

GavRedKing

GavRedKing wrote: »

Ya, sounds like moaning to me :



Full qoute here : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/10/14/jurgen-klopp-hits-out-at-liverpools-festive-schedule-and-aims-di/

Yeah that's not moaning. Moaning is when you cry/complain about something that's not really important.

Klopp has spoken about understanding and accepting English traditions and getting on with it. He's not one for moaning. He's s pragmatist.

GavRedKing

Chelsea

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah that's not moaning. Moaning is when you cry/complain about something that's not really important.

Klopp has spoken about understanding and accepting English traditions and getting on with it. He's not one for moaning. He's s pragmatist.

Hes moaning about the the fixtures which is pretty trivial because they were picked for TV for those fixtures. Unfortunately it effects every team around Xmas.

I'd be pi**ed too though, the turn around from the games is very unreasonable but thats what happens when BT and Sky are picking TV slots.

It would be fairer to have everyone play on the 26th then again on the 31st and then again on the 3rd or 4th with the FA cup games on the weekend of the 7th/8th but unfortunately it doesnt work like that, it should but it doesnt.

Andersonisgod

Manchester United

GavRedKing wrote: »

Ya, sounds like moaning to me :



Full qoute here : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/10/14/jurgen-klopp-hits-out-at-liverpools-festive-schedule-and-aims-di/

To be fair to Klopp his assessment f the Christmas fixture list is spot on.

GavRedKing

Chelsea

Andersonisgod wrote: »

To be fair to Klopp his assessment f the Christmas fixture list is spot on.

Oh it is but theres no point moaning about it, every team goes through it every year. Luck of the draw with the TV scheduling has given some teams more days off than others and as I've pointed out above, theres a solution there if the league wanted it but the EPL is run by the TV companies and what matches the cherry pick.

They know during the festive season if they've a match on nearly every day they'll get viewers, whether its Utd v Pool or Hull v Burnely, theres feck all else on so people will watch it.

Ideally there would be a winter break but that would probably mean scrapping the League cup and playing league fixtures where those games used to occur, so the alternative for me, would to have teams playing either all the one day or alternate days.

Like 26th/27th then 30th/31st and then 3rd/4th.

Theres enough scope to split it out to have 5 games a day and broadcast 2 or 3 of them and still give teams a bit of a break compared to 40 hours between games.

8-10

GavRedKing wrote: »

Hes moaning about the the fixtures which is pretty trivial because they were picked for TV for those fixtures. Unfortunately it effects every team around Xmas.

But the Sunderland game is not on tv. So it's strange that they aren't allowing it to move back even just a couple of hours.

garra

Tottenham

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Think footballers have it bad now?
Have a look at this in 1957 they played on Xmas day and then the reverse fixture the next day.

https://twitter.com/sportingintel/status/811281202242002944

Certainly does put things in perspective. When football purists and managers and analysts point out that less than 48 hrs is not enough for players to recover fully, what they overlook is that most of the English football-watching public don't give a fiddlers if the footballers are at 100% or 90% or even 80%, they just want to watch some seasonal football and they want to be entertained.

They pay good money for tickets or TV subscriptions, they have been going to watch their team play over Xmas all their lives, and the footballers are paid obscenely well in compensation. So just let them get on with it imo.

sky88

i agree with klopp about the fixtures over christmas they make no real sense but its like this in england every year and theirs not much point in complaining about it.

Iused2likebusts

garra wrote: »

Certainly does put things in perspective. When football purists and managers and analysts point out that less than 48 hrs is not enough for players to recover fully, what they overlook is that most of the English football-watching public don't give a fiddlers if the footballers are at 100% or 90% or even 80%, they just want to watch some seasonal football and they want to be entertained.

They pay good money for tickets or TV subscriptions, they have been going to watch their team play over Xmas all their lives, and the footballers are paid obscenely well in compensation. So just let them get on with it imo.

Can't say I agree with that. The risk of injury is much higher and what the players can produce will be lower than normal. It also favours the bigger teams with bigger squads. I think there is no way a team should play 2 games in 48 hours.

Lucas Hood

Pardew sacked.

Berserker

Tottenham

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Pardew sacked.

Big Sam will take over there and turn them round, I'd say.

dr.kenneth noisewater

Chelsea

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Pardew sacked.

Favourite to be the next England manager and talking about Palace playing in Europe this time last year! Cup run saved him over the summer I reckon, had a terrible 2016 overall.

GavRedKing

GavRedKing wrote: »

Hes moaning about the the fixtures which is pretty trivial because they were picked for TV for those fixtures. Unfortunately it effects every team around Xmas.

I'd be pi**ed too though, the turn around from the games is very unreasonable but thats what happens when BT and Sky are picking TV slots.

It would be fairer to have everyone play on the 26th then again on the 31st and then again on the 3rd or 4th with the FA cup games on the weekend of the 7th/8th but unfortunately it doesnt work like that, it should but it doesnt.

Regardless if you are agreeing with him or being pîssed yourself, you're misrepresenting him by saying he was 'moaning'.

If you just read the headline or first paragraph you might think that. The reality is he was talking about his surprise (my take on what you call moaning) on the time between games being allowed to be so short. He spoke positively about the fixtures in general.

I'm being pedantic and boring but only because I was reading the internet and somebody said Klopp 'moaning' and I took umbrage with it because it's one of the reasons I like him so much.

He's good at calling something for what it is, accepting it and moving on. I find it very refreshing from the sound bite tripe or the bitter tripe from most managers.

Harry Palmr

Boxing Day footie! w00t!

Watford v Crystal Palace 12.30
Arsenal v West Brom
Burnley v Middlesbrough
Chelsea v Bournemouth
Leicester v Everton
Man Utd v Sunderland
Swansea v West Ham
Hull v Man City 17.30

Agent Coulson

Leicester

I got great enjoyment out of Palace losing just seeing Pardew's reactions and interviews but I really didn't care if they stayed up or went down now Big Sam is in charge I'd love to see them go down.

Berserker

Tottenham

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I got great enjoyment out of Palace losing just seeing Pardew's reactions and interviews but I really care if they stayed up or went down now Big Sam is in charge I'd love to see them go down.

The media are loving the fact that he is back in football. It'd be great if they went down but I can't see it happening.

ERG89

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I got great enjoyment out of Palace losing just seeing Pardew's reactions and interviews but I really didn't care if they stayed up or went down now Big Sam is in charge I'd love to see them go down.

Hull, Swansea & Sunderland are incredibly bad so it'll be hard for any side to be as bad as them even though Palace, Burnley, West Ham & Middlesbrough have all been unconvincing. The likes of Stoke, Bournemouth, Leicester and Watford should be fine

Bridge93

I can't put my finger on exactly what it is but the league seems weaker this year than in the last few seasons. More genuinely terrible teams than previously. While it used to be 2/3 teams at the top then a large gap to the rest and a steady decline from there, that gap seemed to close over the last 5 or so years. More mid table and lower teams could properly push the big teams.
Seems to me to be slipping back to a two or three tier league, the difference this time is the top tier has 6 teams as opposed to a couple

Harry Palmr

Weaker? It's stronger. Look at the top 6/7 would you rule any one of them out of the top 4 right now?

Agent Coulson

Leicester

Stone wall pen

Awful pen easy save.

Keeper still on the pitch or no card Big Sam post match interview will be interesting if Palace lose.

HalloweenJack

Pathetic pen from Benteke.

Bridge93

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Weaker? It's stronger. Look at the top 6/7 would you rule any one of them out of the top 4 right now?

The league is more than 6 teams

Hull are one of the worst teams to play in the league in many years
Sunderland have gone backwards
So have Swansea massively
So have Palace
Middlesbrough and Burnley are weaker than a Newcastle or Norwich were if only comparing to last year
West Ham have gone backwards
Watford have gone backwards
Stoke are very hit or miss
Leicester backwards.

Chelsea, United and Liverpool and Everton a little bit are the 4 who have made strides

As I said the top 6 is more competitive but below that the league seems to be going back to the days where the big boys totally dominate poor lower teams.

Last year I think only Leicester averaged more than two points s game. Usually 2 or 3 do. This year there are 5 I think and United look to have their act together now too. A gap is opening again

Cantona's Collars

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Stone wall pen

Awful pen easy save.

Keeper still on the pitch or no card Big Sam post match interview will be interesting if Palace lose.

New rules now,probably not seen as a clear scoring chance but it was a pen.Rules are a yellow and a pen for clear scoring chance,red cards are dependent on severity of the foul.

happyoutscan

Benteke with a hopeless first half display. He can be really sh*t.

Agent Coulson

Leicester

zerks wrote: »

New rules now,probably not seen as a clear scoring chance but it was a pen.Rules are a yellow and a pen for clear scoring chance,red cards are dependent on severity of the foul.

I know the new rule..He didn't even get a yellow was what I meant by card.

It could also have quiet easily been a straight red for the kick at Benteke.

5starpool

Manchester United

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I know the new rule..He didn't even get a yellow was what I meant by card.

It could also have quiet easily been a straight red for the kick at Benteke.

If it was in the middle of the pitch it mightn't have been a card, so no reason to give it as a card in the box. It certainly wasn't red as the player was going well away from goal there. Awful penalty though.

theoneeyedman

Clattenburg is a joke, very soft pen against Palace there, and a free to palace then for Zaha falling over.
He always have to be the centre of attention, with his lovely hair

Trigger

Chelsea

Is their any matches on the tv at 3pm?

Andersonisgod

Manchester United

That goal is tremendous, Pedro is having a brilliant season in this inside forward position and Conte's Chelsea ars formidable.

Andersonisgod

Manchester United

So many players in this Chelsea side both capable and willing to nreak lines with their passing. Matic and Fabregas have played some stunning passes.

Another huge positive of the move to 3 at the back has been Azpilicueta's move to centre back. He's in a more important position and he's more central to Chelsea's play than ever. He's a wonderfully intelligent, adaptable and talented player.

Iused2likebusts

Andersonisgod wrote: »

So many players in this Chelsea side both capable and willing to nreak lines with their passing. Matic and Fabregas have played some stunning passes.

Another huge positive of the move to 3 at the back has been Azpilicueta's move to centre back. He's in a more important position and he's more central to Chelsea's play than ever. He's a wonderfully intelligent, adaptable and talented player.

He is the best defender in the league.

Andersonisgod

Manchester United

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

He is the best defender in the league.

I wouldn't disagree.

Andersonisgod

Manchester United

Brilliant Hazard! Brilliant Chelsea! Brilliant Conte. To make it sweeter than penalty happens cos Wilshire messed up a counter attack with a misplaced pass.

Andersonisgod

Manchester United

Hazard has been so good again today. My shout for Premier League player of the year so far

Andersonisgod

Manchester United

Big save Courtois.

Berserker

Tottenham

Swansea next to sack their manager? 0-3 at home to West Ham today. Arsenal look like slipping up today. Haven't got what it takes to break down a dogged West Brom, so far.

The Talking Bread

I really think Leicester could go down. And deservedly so the way they have approached the league this season. Plenty capable but no drive at all.

The Talking Bread

Zlatan. Striker.

Berserker

Tottenham

Berserker wrote: »

Arsenal look like slipping up today. Haven't got what it takes to break down a dogged West Brom, so far.

Scratch that. 1-0 but having to battle hard here.

Andersonisgod

Manchester United

Goal Pedro. 3-0. This is certainly the best team in the league.

Johner

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Goal Pedro. 3-0. This is certainly the best team in the league.

Jammy goal but he deserved another one today, outstanding performance from him and Hazard.

ERG89

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Goal Pedro. 3-0. This is certainly the best team in the league.

Bournemouth are quite good alright.

The Talking Bread

Andersonisgod wrote: »

That goal is tremendous, Pedro is having a brilliant season in this inside forward position and Conte's Chelsea ars formidable.

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Brilliant Hazard! Brilliant Chelsea! Brilliant Conte. To make it sweeter than penalty happens cos Wilshire messed up a counter attack with a misplaced pass.

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Big save Courtois.

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Goal Pedro. 3-0. This is certainly the best team in the league.

The tone of your posts always reminds me of Flashscore live updates!

KERSPLAT!

Manchester United

The Talking Bread wrote: »

The tone of your posts always reminds me of Flashscore live updates!

Ray Hudson

Andersonisgod

Manchester United

The Talking Bread wrote: »

The tone of your posts always reminds me of Flashscore live updates!

This whole journey has been one prolonged audition for that role.

Iused2likebusts

Huge 3 pts for Burnley. Their home form has been incredible so far as they are quite a limited set of players.