General Premier League Thread - 2016/2017

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SlickRic wrote: »

Stones is an utter embarrassment.

50 million... a spoofer bill

RobertKK

Chelsea

Bravo Everton, bravo.

Chelsea

Could have been more
John stones another brutal signing

Mushy

Through Bravos legs, sure he can use his feet taking it out of the net...again!

ERG89

Bravo, does he ever save a shot?
Spurs go to the ethiad next

martyos121

Would be so funny if City missed out on top 4.

sReq | uTeK

Ah I'm in stitches. Even when it's straight at him he can't save it.

Stones and Bravo. Utter jokes

Agent Coulson

Leicester

Liverpool & Everton got £100m between them for Sterling and Stones lol

Jayop

Chelsea

#passing

JPA

Manchester United

Pep is failing you'd have to say.
Being cut apart by simple but effective football.

Sterling and Stones for 100m looks like money well spent.

Pep Ball not really working out.

The Talking Bread

2015/2016

Man City 1-0 Everton

Everton 0-2 Man City

2016/2017

Man City 1-1 Everton

Everton 4-0 Man City


PeP PROGRESS

Agent Coulson

Leicester

Pep should have gone to LA for a year after Munich.

martyos121

Average age of the goalscorers was 22, Everton the new Southampton.

GreNoLi

Manchester United

71 percent possession though.

TitianGerm

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Finished 4th last season, level with Man Utd. Hardly like he's taken over a team of world beaters. Only 2 of his signings starting today (makes sense given the players profile signed in the summer) give it time, it'll come good.

They were on course to finish much higher until City announced that Pep would be taking over in the summer. Team fell apart after that.

Andersonisgod

Manchester United

It takes time, have patience, tranquillo.

Skylinehead

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Liverpool & Everton got £100m between them for Sterling and Stones lol

Sterling, while hugely overpriced, at least is electric on his day and has the potential. Stones is an excuse of a footballer that can't even do his supposed good attribute of passing the ball well.

The Talking Bread

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Pep should have gone to LA for a year after Munich.

He is living in La La Land as it is! His City of Stars is a City of Shambles!

The Talking Bread

GreNoLi wrote: »

71 percent possession though.

All that time picking the ball from the net and tipping off adds up

RobertKK

Chelsea

Am I mistaken, or did Bravo really make the FIFA top 5 goalkeepers in the world recently?

Osmosis Jones

Be fair to Pep, he hasn't had much time to sign all the players he wants, must be difficult trying to make do with the likes of Aguero, David Silva, and Kevin De Bruyne.

Skylinehead

Skylinehead wrote: »

Sterling, while hugely overpriced, at least is electric on his day and has the potential. Stones is an excuse of a footballer that can't even do his supposed good attribute of passing the ball well.

True. Sterling can deliver.

Stones, I have no idea what City were thinking ever signing him tbh

Mushy

Andersonisgod wrote: »

It takes time, have patience, tranquillo.

Nah, it takes money!

Billy86

This whole legend of the infallible Pep stuff really has taken a bruising since he moved away from managing the big boys in glorified SPL leagues, hasn't it?

The Talking Bread

Ha, respect to AIG, he takes the wumming well! Would be boring slagging City without him! I mean that in a jovial way!

Berserker

Tottenham

So, can we agree that City are out of the title race?

Andersonisgod

Manchester United

Mushy wrote: »

Nah, it takes money!

Man Utd-most expensive squad in football EVER (!) are 6th. City's recruitment has been poor for years. Pep will fix this ailing squad.

RobertKK

Chelsea

That was the biggest league defeat in Pep's managerial career.

The Talking Bread

I like Tom Davies, didn't think I would! But seems a talented confident guy who really, crucially, works his a$$ off

RobertKK

Chelsea

Berserker wrote: »

So, can we agree that City are out of the title race?

With their current form - yes.

Mushy

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Mushy wrote: »

Nah, it takes money!

Man Utd-most expensive squad in football EVER (!) are 6th. City's recruitment has been poor for years. Pep will fix this ailing squad.

Never mentioned United.

Andersonisgod

Manchester United

Billy86 wrote: »

This whole legend of the infallible Pep stuff really has taken a bruising since he moved away from managing the big boys in glorified SPL leagues, hasn't it?

Glorified SPL leagues? When your opponents are Real Madrid and Athletico Madrid and Borussia Dortmund there's absolutely nothing glorified SPL about it. Dont buy into the Scudamore rhetoric.

blueser

Berserker wrote: »

So, can we agree that City are out of the title race?

We were out of it 3 or 4 weeks back, in my opinion. Probably around the time of the Leicester farce. We're facing a scrap for a top 4 spot now.

The Talking Bread

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Man Utd-most expensive squad in football EVER (!) are 6th. City's recruitment has been poor for years. Pep will fix this ailing squad.

Should this squad be losing like this?? Do you really think another manager wouldn't get more out of them at the minute?

ERG89

Mushy wrote: »

Nah, it takes money!

That is hardly just city all the club's in the league love to spend money for the sake of it at times.

MD1990

Full back area's killing City. I still expect Pep will turn it around long term.

I suspect they will target Alex Sandro in the summer.

The Talking Bread

RobertKK wrote: »

That was the biggest league defeat in Pep's managerial career.

Bet you they won't lose like that in 4 years time though .....................

"Don't judge someone by what he is doing right now, judge him by the past with Messi and what he will do in the future when he spend a billion " - Guardiola's Agent (15/01/17)

Mushy

ERG89 wrote: »

Mushy wrote: »

Nah, it takes money!

That is hardly just city all the club's in the league love to spend money for the sake of it at times.

Oh without a doubt. But this rhetoric that pep doesn't have the squad is ridiculous. Maybe not for his philosophy, but they should be challenging after that spend. He needs to alter his style, but he isn't willing to. In a results business, it's not good enough.

Play to teams strengths, not play to your philosophy. It's a valid criticism!

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MD1990 wrote: »

Full back area's killing City. I still expect Pep will turn it around long term.

I suspect they will target Alex Sandro in the summer.

Will he be there long enough? Body language looks so defeatist

Andersonisgod

Manchester United

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Should this squad be losing like this?? Do you really think another manager wouldn't get more out of them at the minute?

Pellegrini is a magnificent coach, a legitimately brilliant coach throughout his career and, in the end, couldn't get anything more than scraping 4th out of them. Someone used the Ferguson comparison and while it's not so much like that in terms of changing how everything at the club is run, it's fairly clear this squad is in transition, from Hart/Kompany/Toure/Silva/Aguero to something else. For real, he's trying to do something different and it's tough because he wants to play a certain why and he wants this new clun of his to compete at the top of Europe but he does need time, he's attempting to change the culture of a club in a hostile environment. It's obviously not been smooth sailing but, personally I genuinely do believe, if you give him time, the rewards for City could be great.

MD1990

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Will he be there long enough? Body language looks so defeatist

Who knows. If he stays he will turn it around. Atm he does have a look of a man who could resign if form doesn't pick up.

sReq | uTeK

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Pellegrini is a magnificent coach, a legitimately brilliant coach throughout his career and, in the end, couldn't get anything more than scraping 4th out of them. Someone used the Ferguson comparison and while it's not so much like that in terms of changing how everything at the club is run, it's fairly clear this squad is in transition, from Hart/Kompany/Toure/Silva/Aguero to something else. For real, he's trying to do something different and it's tough because he wants to play a certain why and he wants this new clun of his to compete at the top of Europe but he does need time, he's attempting to change the culture of a club in a hostile environment. It's obviously not been smooth sailing but, personally I genuinely do believe, if you give him time, the rewards for City could be great.

Did you just omit from memory that Pellegrini won the league title and had 100 goals scored after 34 games in his first season.

The Talking Bread

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Pellegrini is a magnificent coach, a legitimately brilliant coach throughout his career and, in the end, couldn't get anything more than scraping 4th out of them. Someone used the Ferguson comparison and while it's not so much like that in terms of changing how everything at the club is run, it's fairly clear this squad is in transition, from Hart/Kompany/Toure/Silva/Aguero to something else. For real, he's trying to do something different and it's tough because he wants to play a certain why and he wants this new clun of his to compete at the top of Europe but he does need time, he's attempting to change the culture of a club in a hostile environment. It's obviously not been smooth sailing but, personally I genuinely do believe, if you give him time, the rewards for City could be great.

We all kind of anticipate he won't be there any more than 3/4 seasons. A new manager will come in with a different ideology and this supposed tactical culture revolution will slowly dissipate as players come and go. And this is not factoring in the excuse that it will take time (as you keep saying) to breed this culture?
A manager on a multi million contract has to appreciate he needs to balance his ego with the requirements of the job: Trophies.

Andersonisgod

Manchester United

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Did you just omit from memory that Pellegrini won the league title and had 100 goals scored after 34 games in his first season.

Look at City in their last season under him, or their 2nd last season, is that a team ready and able to compete with Barca, Madrid or Bayern? Let alone Chelsea or Leicester?

Andersonisgod

Manchester United

The Talking Bread wrote: »

We all kind of anticipate he won't be there any more than 3/4 seasons. A new manager will come in with a different ideology and this supposed tactical culture revolution will slowly dissipate as players come and go. And this is not factoring in the excuse that it will take time (as you keep saying) to breed this culture?
A manager on a multi million contract has to appreciate he needs to balance his ego with the requirements of the job: Trophies.

Surely the aims of the given club are the top priority for any manager taking over at a club?

SlickRic

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Credit to Everton, they've counter attacked well. City's problems are the same as all season. Some excellent football, marked with stupid mistakes. Give it time, give it some correct recruitment.

City's problems are rooted in the fact Pep is obviously asking them to do things they're not capable of, under the pressure of a physical Premier League.

As Pep has said himself, teams don't allow you to play like in Spain. And he doesn't have just one team to compete with (while being able to take their rivals' best players quite easily), like in Germany.

I think he'll get it right. He'll get enough money to enable him to get all the players he needs to make his vision become a reality.

I'm not sure why I'm supposed to be impressed when he does that though. His vision relies on having the very best players. As I've said before, when your management relies on that fact, maybe you won trophies because you'd the best players, rather than your management.

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Andersonisgod wrote: »

Look at City in their last season under him, or their 2nd last season, is that a team ready and able to compete with Barca, Madrid or Bayern? Let alone Chelsea or Leicester?

You're taking things out of context. The point is this is peps first season. He's had to follow a failing city team and imo has done no better and bought badly.

Pellegrini followed a failing city team under mancini but had them playing better than ever.

On terms of first season transition Pep has failed...thus far compared to those before him

The Talking Bread

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Surely the aims of the given club are the top priority for any manager taking over at a club?

And surely Pep may acknowledge these tactics are not getting the best out of his present squad?? Is that not the primary aim of a manager, not taking a punt on some ego boosting culture legacy that he may never pull off in the Premier League.




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ERG89

Pep is the new Wenger. If he wins he's okay for now but if he loses its time to slate him.
Their squad is hugely unbalanced mind. They have little or no cover in the centre of midfield, hence Zabaleta & Yaya Toure back in there & Gundogan is very injury prone. They have De Bruyne, Sterling, Silva, Nolito, Sane, Navas & Gabriel ahead of that. Poor wing backs & I doubt any of us thought Bravo would be this bad, I didn't .