General Premier League Thread - 2016/2017

irishman86

How cool is Berbatov on goals on sunday.

Jayop

Chelsea

irishman86 wrote: »

How cool is Berbatov on goals on sunday.

Should have been in old movies with Steve McQueen.

ctrl-alt-delete

irishman86 wrote: »

How cool is Berbatov on goals on sunday.

Loved the bit where he was discussing his 5 against Blackburn, in particular that goal he started from left back,

He said something along the lines of when I hit it out to Nani I knew I could take my time getting into the box as he would do some tricks.

The Talking Bread

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

Loved the bit where he was discussing his 5 against Blackburn, in particular that goal he started from left back,

He said something along the lines of when I hit it out to Bank I knew I could take my time getting into the box as he would do some tricks.

Who is Bank? Anderson? Nani?

ctrl-alt-delete

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Who is Bank? Anderson? Nani?

Nani, never even noticed that!

The Talking Bread

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

Nani, never even noticed that!

I am sure there is a Nani/Bank joke in their somewhere

irishman86

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

Loved the bit where he was discussing his 5 against Blackburn, in particular that goal he started from left back,

He said something along the lines of when I hit it out to Nani I knew I could take my time getting into the box as he would do some tricks.

Yeah I laughed. Hes like I need to do this complicate outside of the foot pass to Nani other wise I wouldnt be able to saunter up the field :cool:

ERG89

Middlesbrough are just a depressing side to watch.

Gavlor

Let the bidding commence....

https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/854037697081552896

Jayop

Chelsea

Crazy. He's a good player but not that bloody good.

Turtyturd

Did Boro never see Guzan play for Villa?

Trigger

Chelsea

Why the fûck is Leadbitter taking that free kick. Gaston is a much better striker of the ball

Gavlor

Jayop wrote: »

Crazy. He's a good player but not that bloody good.

True, but Everton don't need to sell so why not take advantage of somebody else's stupidity

eh i dunno

Jayop wrote: »

Crazy. He's a good player but not that bloody good.

Based on pogba fee its a bargain. 23 and top scorer in the premier league. Wasn't an unproven martial 54m?

niallo27

Tottenham

It was in the middle of the goal and he didn't even dive.

martyos121

I think the Lukaku fee is fine. He's got 84 goals for two mid table clubs (67 of them for Everton) in the most competitive league in the world and he isn't even 24 years old yet. It's scary to think that he probably hasn't peaked yet, he's dominant enough already.

Jayop

Chelsea

eh i dunno wrote: »

Based on pogba fee its a bargain. 23 and top scorer in the premier league. Wasn't an unproven martial 54m?

Not sure how you calculate that bargain. One of the best players in a side that got to the champions League and European intl final as well as a serie a winner vs a flat track bully for a midsized premier league team. And he's worth eleven million more?

And no, martial was 36m rising to 58 should he hit mile stones.

irishman86

Jayop wrote: »

Not sure how you calculate that bargain. One of the best players in a side that got to the champions League and European intl final as well as a serie a winner vs a flat track bully for a midsized premier league team. And he's worth eleven million more?

And no, martial was 36m rising to 58 should he hit mile stones.

Before he moved to United Pogba was manys choice for best midfielder in the world, now that hes at United hes ****. Surely you know how this works buddy. Just look how much criticism Ronaldo gets purely because of his association with the club.

irishman86

eh i dunno wrote: »

Based on pogba fee its a bargain. 23 and top scorer in the premier league. Wasn't an unproven martial 54m?

Sure Phillps is better than Scholes going by this logic

eh i dunno

irishman86 wrote: »

Before he moved to United Pogba was manys choice for best midfielder in the world, now that hes at United hes ****. Surely you know how this works buddy. Just look how much criticism Ronaldo gets purely because of his association with the club.

I don't care who pogba plays for. I have no agenda against man utd. Lukaku has proven himself in the premier league for 4 seasons now. Based on what pogba contributes I value lukaku higher.

ERG89

martyos121 wrote:

I think the Lukaku fee is fine. He's got 84 goals for two mid table clubs (67 of them for Everton) in the most competitive league in the world.

The most competitive is a new one to me. Most deplorable defending league maybe :pac:
I couldn't imagine anyone in Europe spending that much on him or Chelsea for that matter. Plenty of players out there that can do it vs Bournemouth & Swansea types.

martyos121

Jayop wrote: »

Not sure how you calculate that bargain. One of the best players in a side that got to the champions League and European intl final as well as a serie a winner vs a flat track bully for a midsized premier league team. And he's worth eleven million more?

And no, martial was 36m rising to 58 should he hit mile stones.

He wasn't even Juve's second best midfielder in the time he was there, Pirlo and Marchisio were better and Pogba rarely performed at his best in big matches (where it counts) over there. I think it's a bit disrespectful to Lukaku the way you described him too, there's more to his game than his physical strength you know. He has more assists than Pogba does this season and that's not even what he's in the team to do, that's a midfielder's job mainly and he's doing it better than the most expensive one in the world.

eh i dunno

ERG89 wrote: »

The most competitive is a new one to me. Most deplorable defending league maybe :pac:
I couldn't imagine anyone in Europe spending that much on him or Chelsea for that matter. Plenty of players out there that can do it vs Bournemouth & Swansea types.

Who are the plenty of players who've scored that amount of goals in the last 4 seasons? If it was kane I'd say 100m too.

Jayop

Chelsea

eh i dunno wrote: »

I don't care who pogba plays for. I have no agenda against man utd. Lukaku has proven himself in the premier league for 4 seasons now. Based on what pogba contributes I value lukaku higher.

If you offered me a straight swap or even a deal with Everton giving us money plus Lukaku for Pogba I'd turn it down.

Everyone can have their own opinion thou.

martyos121

ERG89 wrote: »

The most competitive is a new one to me. Most deplorable defending league maybe :pac:
I couldn't imagine anyone in Europe spending that much on him or Chelsea for that matter. Plenty of players out there that can do it vs Bournemouth & Swansea types.

Whether it's a fair fee (to me it is) or not, there will be clubs that will pay it and that's a fact, but it won't be Real or Barca that fork it out. I think calling it the most competitive league is fair when you see how many points the smaller teams take off the big ones compared to Serie A and La Liga, and the Bundesliga to an extent. That's a matter of opinion though I'll admit.

eh i dunno

Jayop wrote: »

If you offered me a straight swap or even a deal with Everton giving us money plus Lukaku for Pogba I'd turn it down.

Everyone can have their own opinion thou.

Really? Lukaku and cash for pogba? When Coleman got injured he'd more goals/assists than pogba this season playing in an average Everton team from right back.

Trigger

Chelsea

Arsenal gonna arsenal!

Jayop

Chelsea

martyos121 wrote: »

He wasn't even Juve's third best midfielder in the time he was there, Pirlo and Marchisio were better and Pogba rarely performed at his best in big matches (where it counts) over there. I think it's a bit disrespectful to Lukaku the way you described him too, there's more to his game than his physical strength you know. He has more assists than Pogba does this season and that's not even what he's in the team to do, that's a midfielder's job mainly and he's doing it better than the most expensive one in the world.

Flat track bully doesn't mean physicality. I thought that was a well known expression.

It means he racks up his numbers against crap teams. Lukaku has been absolutely anonymous in lots of their games against big teams.

This season in the league

4 against Bournemouth
4 against Sunderland
3 against Leicester
2 against hull
2 against Watford

So from his 23 goals 15 were racked up against 5 of the worst teams in the league.

eh i dunno

Jayop wrote: »

Flat track bully doesn't mean physicality. I thought that was a well known expression.

It means he racks up his numbers against crap teams. Lukaku has been absolutely anonymous in lots of their games against big teams.

This season in the league

4 against Bournemouth
4 against Sunderland
3 against Leicester
2 against hull
2 against Watford

So from his 23 goals 15 were racked up against 5 of the worst teams in the league.

Think he has 3 V the top 6 which is more than kane or Zlatan. And no penalties either

Jayop

Chelsea

eh i dunno wrote: »

Really? Lukaku and cash for pogba? When Coleman got injured he'd more goals/assists than pogba this season playing in an average Everton team from right back.

Pogba created 54 chances in the league. That others are not taking them isn't a reflection on him. Coleman on 2 less games created 17.

What a dumb comparison.

blueser

That's a sloppy goal to concede. If I was a gooner, I'd be livid. Boro just didn't look like scoring, and Arsenal were reasonably comfortable, even allowing that they were only one up.

Jayop

Chelsea

eh i dunno wrote: »

Think he has 3 V the top 6 which is more than kane or Zlatan. And no penalties either

He does. That's true.

Doesn't change my opinion of him.

martyos121

Jayop wrote: »

Flat track bully doesn't mean physicality. I thought that was a well known expression.

It means he racks up his numbers against crap teams. Lukaku has been absolutely anonymous in lots of their games against big teams.

This season in the league

4 against Bournemouth
4 against Sunderland
3 against Leicester
2 against hull
2 against Watford

So from his 23 goals 15 were racked up against 5 of the worst teams in the league.

Fair points, but as for the bit in bold, that description also fits Pogba (the player you're comparing him to in terms of value) down to a tee. I think Lukaku is worth just as much if not more, you don't, so I'll leave it there because Arsenal look like they might drop points on the telly and we can both enjoy that.

TitianGerm

Jayop wrote: »

Flat track bully doesn't mean physicality. I thought that was a well known expression.

It means he racks up his numbers against crap teams. Lukaku has been absolutely anonymous in lots of their games against big teams.

This season in the league

4 against Bournemouth
4 against Sunderland
3 against Leicester
2 against hull
2 against Watford

So from his 23 goals 15 were racked up against 5 of the worst teams in the league.

Jayop if United or Liverpool had Lukaku in their teams (ignoring play style) then they both would have been very close to winning the league in the last two years.

We both have found it extremely hard to beat the smaller teams.

Jayop

Chelsea

martyos121 wrote: »

Fair points, but as for the bit in bold, that description also fits Pogba (the player you're comparing him to in terms of value) down to a tee. I think Lukaku is worth just as much if not more, you don't, so I'll leave it there because Arsenal look like they might drop points on the telly and we can both enjoy that.

Amen to that.

martyos121

I've never been a fan of bus-parking, but I'm praying for lots of it now.

Jayop

Chelsea

emmetkenny wrote: »

Jayop if United or Liverpool had Lukaku in their teams (ignoring play style) then they both would have been very close to winning the league in the last two years.

We both have found it extremely hard to beat the smaller teams.

I'm by no means saying he's a poor player, in fact I started in this debate by saying he's a very good player. I just don't rate him as a 100m player.

Harry Palmr

13 euro? What kind of a stake is that?!

On Lukaku, he isn't a 100m player at all - I judge by how well they do in tough games and he is one of those who tends to go missing in the 6 pointers.

martyos121

Harry Palmr wrote: »

13 euro? What kind of a stake is that?!

Grand National leftovers. :pac:

SlickRic

Arsenal's defence at set pieces is a parody of themselves.

eh i dunno

Jayop wrote: »

I'm by no means saying he's a poor player, in fact I started in this debate by saying he's a very good player. I just don't rate him as a 100m player.

Do you rate pogba as a 90m player?

Trigger

Chelsea

martyos121 wrote: »

I've never been a fan of bus-parking, but I'm praying for lots of it now.

I'd say you are behind the couch right now

TitianGerm

Jayop wrote: »

I'm by no means saying he's a poor player, in fact I started in this debate by saying he's a very good player. I just don't rate him as a 100m player.

Unfortunately i think the £45-£50m player is now a £80-£90m player.

You'll find it very hard to get a good quality English player (or someone playing in PL) for under £30m this summer. Look what Liverpool got for Ibe last summer even!!

Dirty Dingus McGee

eh i dunno wrote: »

Do you rate pogba as a 90m player?

I don't think anybody does.

Trigger

Chelsea

Is Lukaku classed as Home Grown?

martyos121

astradave wrote: »

I'd say you are behind the couch right now

Let's just say if I have any undiagnosed heart conditions, I have a feeling I'll find them out in the next half an hour. :pac:

blueser

SlickRic wrote: »

Arsenal's defence at set pieces is a parody of themselves.

Ayala should have buried that chance. Anywhere other than where he actually put it and it's a goal.

irishman86

eh i dunno wrote: »

I don't care who pogba plays for. I have no agenda against man utd. Lukaku has proven himself in the premier league for 4 seasons now. Based on what pogba contributes I value lukaku higher.

What exactly does Lukaku contribute that Pogba doesnt, taking into account the play different positions. So far Ive heard Ali and now Lukaku are better players than him both are well laughable. If Pogba was British they would be falling over them selfs praising his season

Jayop

Chelsea

eh i dunno wrote: »

Do you rate pogba as a 90m player?

As a footballer no, but his fee was as much to do with marketing as anything. I'd probably pay that kind of money for a Hazard in the PL only. Honestly don't think there's anyone else of that tier just below Messi and the boys standard.

If I was to choose between Kane and Lukaku I'd pick Kane as well.

Lucas Hood

Worth doesn't always equal the transfer fee paid.

Everton don't want to sell as they'll probably never be able to replace him with someone of the same quality so it's going to cost whoever want him a bomb to prize him away.