PS4 Pro general stuff.

weiland79

Fieldog wrote: »

Can you not leave doing it until release day or day before?

Did they say anything about having HD that were bigger than what came originally do you know?

I have a 500gb Destiny console but I put a 1TB SSHD in it, since the Pro is capable of faster HD I will probably take it out and pop the 500 back in...

They won't take it if you've changed the drive. I spoke to them about it a couple of weeks ago.

Varik

weiland79 wrote: »

They won't take it if you've changed the drive. I spoke to them about it a couple of weeks ago.

Just change it back, not like they'll know.

MilesMorales1

How long will that deal run for does anyone know? I'm debating whether to take my PS4 down today and go without for 3 weeks.

MilesMorales1

Clarehall just told me that trade in deal doesn't activate till the Pro is out >.<

Varik

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Clarehall just told me that trade in deal doesn't activate till the Pro is out >.<

So pre-order normally and wander in with the old PS4 on launch day.

MilesMorales1

Varik wrote: »

So pre-order normally and wander in with the old PS4 on launch day.

Yeah but it's annoying innit. Knowing GameStop they'll sneakily lower that price or whatever.

How Soon Is Now

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Yeah but it's annoying innit. Knowing GameStop they'll sneakily lower that price or whatever.

Ya I wouldn't trust them in general. In fact I'll go as far as saying I'd rather just sell the ps4 to someone myself.

Lord Spence

with the Pro launch being so close to black friday/cyber monday would it not be better for everyone to wait a few weeks and get it then? bound to be some deals regarding bundles etc?

MilesMorales1

New new stuff generally doesn't go down in black Friday. More likely whatever stock of original PS4's will go on sale and maybe the slim. Whatever deals the pro might get will probably be bundles, and its always crap over here compared to the states.

Lord Spence

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

New new stuff generally doesn't go down in black Friday. More likely whatever stock of original PS4's will go on sale and maybe the slim. Whatever deals the pro might get will probably be bundles, and its always crap over here compared to the states.

Gonna hold off anyways until black friday in no rush to get it on launch day as my xbox one will keep me pottering along .. Can't see there being any stock shortage either

Varik

Some update on the Pro version of Killing floor 2.

"1800p checkboard rendering on 4K TV (3200x1800) optimized for 4K TVs."

"Effectively supersampling and increased fps on HDTV."

"Using additional memory to [increase] texture resolution to 'Ultra Textures.'"

Additional memory isn't additional physical memory it's allocation, so it's just using more with higher textures. So there will be games using larger textures and inherently larger installs on those games.

Only thing I'm wondering will both set be used on pro version for playing at HD or will the standard textures be use for that with the other announced details.

Also for anyone wondering how that resolution in this particular game scales up vs previously seen up-scaling.

1800p vs 2160p is 69.44%
900p vs 1080p is 69.44%
720p vs 900p is 64%

bigphil2

weiland79 wrote: »

They won't take it if you've changed the drive. I spoke to them about it a couple of weeks ago.

I was told the opposite..

weiland79

bigphil2 wrote: »

I was told the opposite..

So clear as mud then.

bigphil2

weiland79 wrote: »

So clear as mud then.

Yep! I said that i had a ps4 that id put a 2tb hdd into it,and the manager said that would be fine that they would scan it in as 1tb and id get the trade in deal..

Varik

bigphil2 wrote: »

Yep! I said that i had a ps4 that id put a 2tb hdd into it,and the manager said that would be fine that they would scan it in as 1tb and id get the trade in deal..

Hopefully I've a old 1GB that I could get rid of that way.

How Soon Is Now

So what is the better upgrade at this stage a pro or psvr?

Down the line at some point I'd be very interested in VR just want to give it time.

Pro interests me but I've no interest in changing TV unless I win the lotto!

dmcg90

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Clarehall just told me that trade in deal doesn't activate till the Pro is out >.<

Ask them to call Henry St as the main Dublin branch.

MilesMorales1

dmcg90 wrote: »

Ask them to call Henry St as the main Dublin branch.

I'll try again next week. If it does still run till launch it won't matter anyway.

I'd go for the pro personally, but I'm one of those people that can't play any VR without getting horribly sick, so it might be different for you.

RedXIV

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

So what is the better upgrade at this stage a pro or psvr?

Down the line at some point I'd be very interested in VR just want to give it time.

Pro interests me but I've no interest in changing TV unless I win the lotto!

Unless you've a problem with the framerates on your PS4 now or have a 4k tv, my gut instinct would be to go with the PSVR.

However, I'm biased in that I had the same thoughts and went for the above plan

How Soon Is Now

RedXIV wrote: »

Unless you've a problem with the framerates on your PS4 now or have a 4k tv, my gut instinct would be to go with the PSVR.

However, I'm biased in that I had the same thoughts and went for the above plan

Ive no issues with my current ps4 actually happy with it for everything it does.

I am interested in the PSVR cause the idea of gaming especially horror games would be a huge draw for me.

I think if i hear the pro handles VR better then the original ps4 that will be a major thing for me because i have no plans to switch to a 4k tv anytime soon.

Otacon

Tesco dropped the price of the Pro this morning in the UK to £299 so I jumped on it.



It's already back up to £332.49. Hopefully, they honour it.

jonerkinsella

^^ how long will delivery take ? Are you going through the north with delivery ?

Otacon

jonerkinsella wrote: »

^^ how long will delivery take ? Are you going through the north with delivery ?

Live in London. Should only take a day or two.

MilesMorales1

Otacon wrote: »

Live in London. Should only take a day or two.

Do they charge straight away or on dispatch?

Otacon

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Do they charge straight away or on dispatch?

Straight away apparently. Just waiting for it to appear on my banking app to be sure.

Taltos

Already price back up and sold out.... Great catch there.

Otacon

Taltos wrote: »

Already price back up and sold out.... Great catch there.

Yeah, saw a tweet from PostABargain and pounced on it before I left for work. By the time I got to work, it had already gone up again.

Lord Spence

someone on HUKD said they bought at £299 but when they checked their account £335 was charged, so defo check your online banking

heebusjeebus

Eurogamer have their first comparison video between PS4 & the Pro
Supersampling for 1080p confirmed!!!

Mantis Burn Racing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgtYZpytJqM

FAILSAFE 00

heebusjeebus wrote: »

Eurogamer have their first comparison video between PS4 & the Pro
Supersampling for 1080p confirmed!!!

Mantis Burn Racing:

They need to analyse a better game. That looks like a game from 2006.

I look forward to seeing something more relevant like a Battlefield 1 analysis.

heebusjeebus

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

They need to analyse a better game. That looks like a game from 2006.

I look forward to seeing something more relevant like a Battlefield 1 analysis.

BF1 is not a native 4K game though.

Varik

heebusjeebus wrote: »

BF1 is not a native 4K game though.

Current systems aren't even 1080p native, only have it at 720p on Xbox and 900p PS4.

heebusjeebus

Varik wrote: »

Current systems aren't even 1080p native, only have it at 720p on Xbox and 900p PS4.

Did I say they were? I posted the video from Eurogamer as it's the first comparison of a 4K NATIVE game running on the Pro and the same game running at 1080p on vanilla.

There are drops in the Pro running at 4K. Makes me glad I'm not upgrading my TV anytime soon.
I'm looking forward to seeing the supersampled 1080 image though, especially if it's going to be done for all other games.

How Soon Is Now

heebusjeebus wrote: »

Did I say they were? I posted the video from Eurogamer as it's the first comparison of a 4K NATIVE game running on the Pro and the same game running at 1080p on vanilla.

There are drops in the Pro running at 4K. Makes me glad I'm not upgrading my TV anytime soon.
I'm looking forward to seeing the supersampled 1080 image though, especially if it's going to be done for all other games.

How and if it changes gaming on a full hd tv is what im really looking forward to seeing.

I reckon this would be a major selling point for a lot of potential customers who already have a perfect working ps4 and dont want or need to upgrade to 4k yet.

Penn

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

How and if it changes gaming on a full hd tv is what im really looking forward to seeing.

I reckon this would be a major selling point for a lot of potential customers who already have a perfect working ps4 and dont want or need to upgrade to 4k yet.

I mean it's not going to change gaming in any real sense at all bar making it look a bit nicer. PSVR is what will truly change gaming this gen if it's properly supported.

How Soon Is Now

Penn wrote: »

I mean it's not going to change gaming in any real sense at all bar making it look a bit nicer. PSVR is what will truly change gaming this gen if it's properly supported.

Id be happy with a performance boost of some sort from the pro for hd.

That and better support for the VR.

TitianGerm

Penn wrote: »

I mean it's not going to change gaming in any real sense at all bar making it look a bit nicer. PSVR is what will truly change gaming this gen if it's properly supported.

I like the idea of VR but I don't see many major franchise games coming to it in the next few years.

I'll still probably pick up the PSVR at some stage next year but I'm not in a hurry yet.

Penn

emmetkenny wrote: »

I like the idea of VR but I don't see many major franchise games coming to it in the next few years.

I'll still probably pick up the PSVR at some stage next year but I'm not in a hurry yet.

I'm pretty much in the same boat. As I said, it depends on how well it's supported. It's going to need some killer games, not just for short term, but if in a few years there's a PS5 and they come out with a PSVR2, it could be fantastic.

heebusjeebus

Interesting article on the PS Pro on Eurogamer:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-inside-playstation-4-pro-how-sony-made-a-4k-games-machine

A lot to digest but what has me worried is that games need to have the Pro patch in order to use the extra GPU and CPU. If not, the Pro will just restrict performance to vanilla PS4 levels.
I might cancel my pre-order for this now and see how it all washes out. My hopes were for games like Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 to get an automatic boost in order to hold the framerate at 30FPS. Going by this article, that's not the case unless there is a patch. Really disappointing.

Otacon

heebusjeebus wrote: »

Interesting article on the PS Pro on Eurogamer:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-inside-playstation-4-pro-how-sony-made-a-4k-games-machine

A lot to digest but what has me worried is that games need to have the Pro patch in order to use the extra GPU and CPU. If not, the Pro will just restrict performance to vanilla PS4 levels.
I might cancel my pre-order for this now and see how it all washes out. My hopes were for games like Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 to get an automatic boost in order to hold the framerate at 30FPS. Going by this article, that's not the case unless there is a patch. Really disappointing.

A standard PS4 has 8 Jaguar cores clocked at 1.6GHz while the Pro has the same number of cores clocked at 2.1GHz so that in itself should help with framerate.

Also, there are 18 Radeon GCN compute units at 800MHz in a standard PS4. The Pro has 36 improved GCN compute units at 911MHz. To run in legacy mode, the Pro will be running 18 of these improved cores.

All of this means that, actually, there will be a boost but no, it won't use all of the power of the Pro.

heebusjeebus

Otacon wrote: »

A standard PS4 has 8 Jaguar cores clocked at 1.6GHz while the Pro has the same number of cores clocked at 2.1GHz so that in itself should help with framerate.

Also, there are 18 Radeon GCN compute units at 800MHz in a standard PS4. The Pro has 36 improved GCN compute units at 911MHz. To run in legacy mode, the Pro will be running 18 of these improved cores.

All of this means that, actually, there will be a boost but no, it won't use all of the power of the Pro.

That's not what's going to happen though, they are actively gimping the Pro for "base PS4" games.

From the article:

We just turn off half the GPU and run it at something quite close to the original GPU

and...

But what about deploying the additional Pro GPU power in base PS4 mode, similar to the Xbox One S? Or even just retaining the 111MHz GPU frequency boost? For Sony, it's all about playing it safe, to ensure that the existing 700 titles just work.

"I've done a number of experiments looking for issues when frequencies vary and... well... [laughs] I think first and foremost, we need everything to work flawlessly. We don't want people to be conscious of any issues that may arise when they move from the standard model to the PS4 Pro."

Otacon

heebusjeebus wrote: »

That's not what's going to happen though, they are actively gimping the Pro for "base PS4" games.

From the article

Both of those refer to the GPU though. Framerates live and die by the CPU which is getting a boost.

Varik

Otacon wrote: »

Both of those refer to the GPU though. Framerates live and die by the CPU which is getting a boost.

Any cursory look at benchmark would show otherwise. Instances where the CPU is the bottleneck are limited.

coffeeJohn92

Just a question for anyone who can help.
Where's the best place to pre-order the PS4 Pro to get it on release day or the next day via delivery?

Few sites I've seen were gamestop, smyths, amazon. Which in your opinion would be the best to go with?

Thinking of using Amazon with Parcel Motel but not sure will I get it on release day. Anyone got experience going this route?

Lord Spence

coffeeJohn92 wrote: »

Just a question for anyone who can help.
Where's the best place to pre-order the PS4 Pro to get it on release day or the next day via delivery?

Few sites I've seen were gamestop, smyths, amazon. Which in your opinion would be the best to go with?

Thinking of using Amazon with Parcel Motel but not sure will I get it on release day. Anyone got experience going this route?

Some people recently got their PSVR's delivered a day early with gamestop so maybe that would be your best bet

Captain Chaos

coffeeJohn92 wrote: »

Just a question for anyone who can help.
Where's the best place to pre-order the PS4 Pro to get it on release day or the next day via delivery?

Few sites I've seen were gamestop, smyths, amazon. Which in your opinion would be the best to go with?

Thinking of using Amazon with Parcel Motel but not sure will I get it on release day. Anyone got experience going this route?

Amazon won't ship here even with PM for the PS4Pro, don't know why. Even then Amazon would be a day or two after, they never ship early. The Pro is actually more expensive in sterling even with the good exchange rate right now.

Gamstop will have it delivered for release day, they did with my PS4. I have preordered online with them.

coffeeJohn92

Cheers for the replys will go with gamestop then.

Denisoftus

with Smyths you can collect on the day of release, from 9AM, but with gamestop you can actually have it a day earlier if you lucky

Lucreto

Amazon are currently shipping to Ireland,

They were price matching Tesco in the UK and I have it preordered there for £332.49.

It's only a saving of €30 if the exchange rate holds up.

Varik

Lucreto wrote: »

Amazon are currently shipping to Ireland,

They were price matching Tesco in the UK and I have it preordered there for £332.49.

It's only a saving of €30 if the exchange rate holds up.

Had a price watch on it and it never showed up