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Parking of speed vans

  • 11-08-2016 7:58pm
    #1
    minimadman
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭


    can speed vans park anywhere or do they have to park in areas that are laid out on the gard map??


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  • #2
    VincePP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 982 ✭✭✭VincePP


    minimadman wrote: »
    can speed vans park anywhere or do they have to park in areas that are laid out on the gard map??

    Parking vans operated by the contractors have to monitor within defined areas.

    Parking vans operated by gardai can operate anywhere they wish.

    The garda vans are always marked "garda" and they are white. Sometimes you see them on motorways where the private contractors are not permitted.


  • #3
    minimadman
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭minimadman


    VincePP wrote: »
    Parking vans operated by the contractors have to monitor within defined areas.

    Parking vans operated by gardai can operate anywhere they wish.

    The garda vans are always marked "garda" and they are white. Sometimes you see them on motorways where the private contractors are not permitted.

    Cause i was caught in area not outlined where the line finishes mile earlier


  • #4
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,193 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    GoSafe vans have predetermined places to park.

    The garda van can park anywhere


  • #5
    minimadman
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭minimadman


    mikeecho wrote: »
    GoSafe vans have predetermined places to park.

    The garda van can park anywhere

    Are u sure if this


  • #6
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,193 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    minimadman wrote: »
    Are u sure if this

    Yes


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  • #7
    minimadman
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭minimadman


    mikeecho wrote: »
    Yes

    She can Appeal that so


  • #8
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,193 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    minimadman wrote: »
    She can Appeal that so

    No

    Legaly they can park anywhere.
    But they only use predetermined spots.

    There is nothing to contest., unless she wasn't speeding.


  • #9
    Mint Sauce
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    minimadman wrote: »
    She can Appeal that so

    On what grounds? Was it DEFINITELY a go safe van?


  • #10
    minimadman
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭minimadman


    mikeecho wrote: »
    No

    Legaly they can park anywhere.
    But they only use predetermined spots.

    There is nothing to contest., unless she wasn't speeding.
    U jus said they couldnt


  • #11
    Mint Sauce
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    minimadman wrote: »
    U jus said they couldnt

    Was it a Go Safe van or a Garda van? Because a Garda Van can clock you any where they like, the Go Safe van can only clock you in the predefined areas.

    But to be honest, even if Go Safe van caught you outside a predefined area and you were over the limit, would you still try and contest it in court? Could you/would you be let off? That could be up to a lawer/judge.


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  • #12
    minimadman
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭minimadman


    Mint Sauce wrote: »
    Was it a Go Safe van or a Garda van? Because a Garda Van can clock you any where they like, the Go Safe van can only clock you in the predefined areas.

    But to be honest, even if Go Safe van caught you outside a predefined area and you were over the limit, would you still try and contest it in court? Could you/would you be let off? That could be up to a lawer/judge.
    Defo a go safe and they cant break the law to enforce it surely


  • #13
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,193 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    minimadman wrote: »
    U jus said they couldnt

    Legally, there is nothing to say that they have to park in certain spots.

    I'm reality, they only park in predetermined spots.


  • #14
    afatbollix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    They didn't break the law they only broke guidelines. You could complain to Gosafe about it but it would mean nothing in court.


  • #15
    Damien360
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,606 ✭✭✭Damien360


    minimadman wrote: »
    Defo a go safe and they cant break the law to enforce it surely

    They would argue you were breaking the law also.

    If it went to a judge it could go anyway as it would depend on the mood of the judge that day. You would be mad to contest and risk double points.


  • #16
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,193 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    Plenty ppl post here about unjust tickets, and various reasons they should have for not paying, or looking for a loophole that not there.

    I always encourage them to go to court, fight it and report back.

    Very very few have ever reported back.
    So they either all loose, or pay up at the last minute.

    (Eirngobreagh.... yes u won.. but that never made it to court)


  • #17
    VincePP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 982 ✭✭✭VincePP


    minimadman wrote: »
    Cause i was caught in area not outlined where the line finishes mile earlier

    So you slow down where you think there's a van and you drive in excess of the speed limit everywhere else?

    Sorry, no pity for you. Most speed limits are reasonable, you just are sore at being caught.


  • #18
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,193 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    VincePP wrote: »
    So you slow down where you think there's a van and you drive in excess of the speed limit everywhere else?

    Sorry, no pity for you. Most speed limits are reasonable, you just are sore at being caught.

    And you'd have to be blind not to see the van in time to adjust your speed.

    They have a VERY short range.


  • #19
    savagethegoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭savagethegoat


    mikeecho wrote: »
    And you'd have to be blind not to see the van in time to adjust your speed.

    They have a VERY short range.

    much shorter than you would imagine. If you spot one, there should be plenty of time to brake. Only a very few detections per day too, which was a surprise.

    I would think the Garda vans have a longer range though, would that be the case?


  • #20
    ironclaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    savagethegoat wrote: »
    much shorter than you would imagine. If you spot one, there should be plenty of time to brake. Only a very few detections per day too, which was a surprise.

    I would think the Garda vans have a longer range though, would that be the case?

    GoSafe tech is actually superior to the Garda vans.

    Longest range of van technology is laser based but they don't exist in Ireland, some in the UK and a few in America. Not a popular option due to expense: https://www.vitronic.com/traffic-technology/applications/traffic-enforcement/speed-enforcement/poliscan-speed-fixed.html


  • #21
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,946 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Whatever about the parking of camera vans, the tactic of Garda squad cars sitting up on the on-ramps to catch people passing below is more dangerous.

    Passed one of these boys yesterday and he was diagonally on the verge and half-way into the lane. Was very tempted to stop and get his details for a chat with his boss TBH


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  • #22
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Whatever about the parking of camera vans, the tactic of Garda squad cars sitting up on the on-ramps to catch people passing below is more dangerous.

    Passed one of these boys yesterday and he was diagonally on the verge and half-way into the lane. Was very tempted to stop and get his details for a chat with his boss TBH

    Why is it dangerous? Generally they park on the verge off the lane.

    Imagine stopping and asking for his details to give to his boss, his/her parking is exempt from traffic laws, yours isn't - imagine how that could turn out.


  • #23
    ironclaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    GM228 wrote: »
    Why is it dangerous? Generally they park on the verge off the lane.

    Imagine stopping and asking for his details to give to his boss, his/her parking is exempt from traffic laws, yours isn't - imagine how that could turn out.

    I agree with what you are saying, but from my experience:

    - Nervous driver will tend to slow down as they continue down the ramp, and hence attempt to merge at a slower rate. The same driver will find it difficult to judge the gap between themselves and the stopped Garda car, especially if they are encroaching on their lane.

    - Observant drivers may spot them on the ramp, and slow down on the main thoroughfare itself, causing a ripple.

    - Our ramps are not wide enough to accommodate two cars abreast, one of which is static. This is unlike the US for example where they are much wider and have a hard shoulder or a space for the police to park.

    I have no objection to this form of monitoring but its generally not very well thought out when the road is being built or when the Gardai are actually lying up.

    Prime example are the two 'Garda only' ramps near Cherrywood on the M50. The Garda often park a jeep on the northbound one in the morning, it can cause tail backs to Bray as people slow down to pass and gawk. The jeep isn't even doing anything, they are just sitting and causing traffic. Maybe if they were running ANPR I would forgive it, but its just nonsense.


  • #24
    minimadman
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭minimadman


    mikeecho wrote: »
    And you'd have to be blind not to see the van in time to adjust your speed.

    They have a VERY short range.

    How can u see them when on a bend


  • #25
    minimadman
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭minimadman


    GM228 wrote: »
    Why is it dangerous? Generally they park on the verge off the lane.

    Imagine stopping and asking for his details to give to his boss, his/her parking is exempt from traffic laws, yours isn't - imagine how that could turn out.
    There not exempt from parking laws do


  • #26
    minimadman
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭minimadman


    Could ppl who know facts only post cause this hear say is no good


  • #27
    minimadman
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭minimadman


    Mint Sauce wrote: »
    Was it a Go Safe van or a Garda van? Because a Garda Van can clock you any where they like, the Go Safe van can only clock you in the predefined areas.

    But to be honest, even if Go Safe van caught you outside a predefined area and you were over the limit, would you still try and contest it in court? Could you/would you be let off? That could be up to a lawer/judge.

    was defo go safe parked on a bend outside a gaa with no parking signs up and outside there zone by least a half mile


  • #28
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    minimadman wrote: »
    There not exempt from parking laws do

    They are exempt (as are fire brigade and ambulances).

    minimadman wrote: »
    Could ppl who know facts only post cause this hear say is no good

    That's exactly what I've done, current parking regulations are issued under Section 3 of the Road Traffic Act 1994.

    Under section 87 of the Road Traffic Act 2010 Gardaí are exempt from any requirements, restrictions and prohibitions relating to the driving and use of vehicles issued under any of the Road Traffic Acts (with a small number of exemptions which they are bound by, parking is not one of the exemptions they are bound by) in performance of their duties.


  • #29
    minimadman
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭minimadman


    GM228 wrote: »
    They are exempt (as are fire brigade and ambulances).




    Current parking regulations are issued under Section 3 of the Road Traffic Act 1994.

    Under section 87 of the Road Traffic Act 2010 Gardaí are exempt from any requirements, restrictions and prohibitions relating to the driving and use of vehicles issued under any of the Road Traffic Acts (with a small number of exemptions which they are bound by, parking is not one of the exemptions they are bound by).

    They aint garda


  • #30
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    minimadman wrote: »
    They aint garda

    I think you replied to my post without actually reading what it's in relation to.

    Perhaps you should re-read the posts which were in relation to Garda vehicles parking on ramps, not GoSafe or otherwise.

    GM228 wrote: »
    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Whatever about the parking of camera vans, the tactic of Garda squad cars sitting up on the on-ramps to catch people passing below is more dangerous.

    Passed one of these boys yesterday and he was diagonally on the verge and half-way into the lane. Was very tempted to stop and get his details for a chat with his boss TBH

    Why is it dangerous? Generally they park on the verge off the lane.

    Imagine stopping and asking for his details to give to his boss, his/her parking is exempt from traffic laws, yours isn't - imagine how that could turn out.


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  • #31
    VincePP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 982 ✭✭✭VincePP


    minimadman wrote: »
    They aint garda

    you really have some issue with the FACT that youn were in excess of the speed limit and were caught.

    Either costest it and risk double points and bigger fine, or just pay up.

    But here you are drip feeding little pieces of your opinion backed by n othing other that what you think.

    What you think is nothing to do with it - if you were in excess of the speed limit and were caught than that's your tough luck.

    Stop speeding and you won't get caught.


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