2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

Overheal

Iceboy wrote: »

Yes 5 more days of that ****.

I won't be convinced the GOP has recovered as a party until someone sucker punches Mitch McConnel in the face.

alastair

Iceboy wrote: »

We have witnessed the largest, most elaborate political coverup in history. Obama's Department of Justice, the mass media, the DNC and Hillary Clinton have almost succeeded, by attacking Trump. Their defense, was to go on offense and they flooded the media, with claims of violence, found to be planned and instigated by paid Team Hillary goons, who even rehearsed before hand. Their offense was all staged and fake. Hillary is the most corrupt, dishonest politician to ever run for office.

The DoJ have had no dealings with Trump afaik?
The media have certainly elevated and dropped Trump's standing - entirely on the back of Trump's actions and rhetoric.
The DNC and Hillary Clinton are supposed to attack Trump. He's made that job very easy.
The violence at Trump rally's is entirely down to Trump supporters. No-one made them engage in violent acts, and they were encouraged along by a certain Donald Trump.
Hillary Clinton has had precisely zero corruption charges over her political career.

PopePalpatine

Nothing drains a swamp better than a fraudster and a tax dodger. :rolleyes:

TheOven

Overheal wrote: »

Yes 5 more days of that ****.

With any luck we'll end up in a situation where everyone just denies ever supporting him. That or more death threats for people who accuse others of rape.

Overheal

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Nothing drains a swamp better than a fraudster and a tax dodger. :rolleyes:

I really don't get this narrative where Trump is a folk hero; just a modest, down to earth sleazy mogul who waited 70 years on this Earth to decide it was time to do something for anyone other than himself.

Brian?

So a source within the FBI says Hillary is likely to be indicted, in relation to the Clinton foundation. Except that it's way beyond the scope of the FBI to indict anyone, as I have pointed out many times!

Now the man who broke the "story" is backing off:

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/oops-fox-anchor-retracts-claim-of-likely-clinton-indictment-after-conservatives-sites-go-wild/


It's typical of the campaign so far. Innuendo and dirt slinging on both sides. It's probably done it's damage though.


I'm genuinely sick of this at this stage.

aloyisious

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

New Hampshire is getting closer. Again, in the last week Trump has gone from around 15% to around 35%. It could be too little too late for him to win, but if he takes NH, along with Nevada (he is going to take Florida and North Carolina) he wins the election.

This election campaign has been so F***ed up that NH, normally the one state mentioned on this side of the Atlantic as the barometer on how votings going, has not been mentioned at all. Nice to hear it as an indicator, though not in the way desired.

Brian?

Overheal wrote: »

I really don't get this narrative where Trump is a folk hero; just a modest, down to earth sleazy mogul who waited 70 years on this Earth to decide it was time to do something for anyone other than himself.

Trump the billionaire every man.

alastair

Brian? wrote: »

So a source within the FBI says Hillary is likely to be indicted, in relation to the Clinton foundation. Except that it's way beyond the scope of the FBI to indict anyone, as I have pointed out many times!

Now the man who broke the "story" is backing off:

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/oops-fox-anchor-retracts-claim-of-likely-clinton-indictment-after-conservatives-sites-go-wild/


It's probably done it's damage though.

Maybe himself and Lou Dobbs should get together to compare notes on who's the better bull****ter. Thing is - Fox has cried wolf a little too often and it's really only the gullible base who pay any credence to this stuff any more.

Iceboy

Overheal wrote: »

I really don't get this narrative where Trump is a folk hero; just a modest, down to earth sleazy mogul who waited 70 years on this Earth to decide it was time to do something for anyone other than himself.

Trump has been in the media spotlight for 40years and has almost never flip flopped on his political beliefs. During that time all news articles about him were positive. But the moment he runs for presidency....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCabT_O0YSM

alastair

Iceboy wrote: »

Trump has been in the media spotlight for 40years and has never flip flopped on his political. During that time all news articles about him were positive. But the moment he runs for presidency...

When you say that he's never flip flopped on his 'political', I guess that doesn't include his party affiliation?

walshyn93

Overheal wrote: »

Yes 5 more days of that ****.

I won't be convinced the GOP has recovered as a party until someone sucker punches Mitch McConnel in the face.

I'm all for drowning him and Harry Reid in the swamp.

walshyn93

alastair wrote: »

When you say that he's never flip flopped on his 'political', I guess that doesn't include his party affiliation?

The parties have changed a lot. But he has been talking the same talk about trade, crime and foreign relations since at least the 80.

Iceboy

alastair wrote: »

When you say that he's never flip flopped on his 'political', I guess that doesn't include his party affiliation?

Trump is essentially an independent running, The corrupt GOP and Paul Ryan are not part of the trump movement.

mrkiscool2

alastair wrote: »

The DoJ have had no dealings with Trump afaik?
The media have certainly elevated and dropped Trump's standing - entirely on the back of Trump's actions and rhetoric.
The DNC and Hillary Clinton are supposed to attack Trump. He's made that job very easy.
The violence at Trump rally's is entirely down to Trump supporters. No-one made them engage in violent acts, and they were encouraged along by a certain Donald Trump.
Hillary Clinton has had precisely zero corruption charges over her political career.

Wut? When I get home I'll link some videos that prove this wrong. It's actually been caused, a lot of the time, by far-left SJWs and feminists. Sure, the Trump people retaliate but they don't actually start crap. One of my favorite videos from this campaign is this guy of Arab descent who goes with a friend to a Trump rally in a "Muslims for Trump" t-shirt and is treated with the utmost dignity and respect.

ancapailldorcha

Raise the standard of posting please.

Amerika

alastair wrote: »

Sounds like your district is producing the sort of pragmatic bipartisan repesentatives that are so needed to break the party-first logjam that inhibits your country.

The urban areas are taken care of and the rural areas are screwed.

briany

blackcard wrote: »

Melania Trump is not the best at public speaking

Melania comes across as being pretty vapid, let's be honest. If Trump won, I could imagine her turning the position of 1st lady into a non-stop catwalk posefest photo-op.

Iceboy

alastair wrote: »

The DoJ have had no dealings with Trump afaik?
The media have certainly elevated and dropped Trump's standing - entirely on the back of Trump's actions and rhetoric.
The DNC and Hillary Clinton are supposed to attack Trump. He's made that job very easy.
The violence at Trump rally's is entirely down to Trump supporters. No-one made them engage in violent acts, and they were encouraged along by a certain Donald Trump.
Hillary Clinton has had precisely zero corruption charges over her political career.

Have you been living under a rock for the past few weeks or are you really that misinformed? The violence at Trump rallies was setup by the clinton campaign who bused in payed protesters to stir fights up and cause a scene/riots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

ancapailldorcha

Iceboy wrote: »

Have you been living under a rock for the past few weeks or are you really that misinformed? The violence at Trump rallies was setup by the clinton campaign who bused in payed protesters to stir fights up and cause a scene/riots.

There's no need for the abrasive tone. You can make your point without it.

alastair

walshyn93 wrote: »

The parties have changed a lot. But he has been talking the same talk about trade, crime and foreign relations since at least the 80.

The parties haven't changed, the GOP has. But Trump has certainly shifted his position on, to name a few issues; Hillary Clinton, the ousting of Ghadaffi, the invasion of Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, abortion, nuclear proliferation, etc, etc...

alastair

Iceboy wrote: »

Have you been living under a rock for the past few weeks or are you really that misinformed? The violence at Trump rallies was setup by the clinton campaign who bused in payed protesters to stir fights up and cause a scene/riots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

It's you who is misinformed. Sending activists to political rally's to 'bird-dog' is not an incitement to violence. If your supporters can't deal with someone wearing a planned parenthood teeshirt, then the problem's with your supporters, not the teeshirt wearer.

alastair

Amerika wrote: »

The urban areas are taken care of and the rural areas are screwed.

That doesn't sound like it has anything to do with pragmatic politicians.

alastair

Iceboy wrote: »

Trump is essentially an independent running, The corrupt GOP and Paul Ryan are not part of the trump movement.

You might try and let the GOP know. They believe they nominated him, and he's running on the Republican ticket, with some justification.

KingBrian2

alastair wrote: »

The parties haven't changed, the GOP has. But Trump has certainly shifted his position on, to name a few issues; Hillary Clinton, the ousting of Ghadaffi, the invasion of Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, abortion, nuclear proliferation, etc, etc...

Is it not good he has shifted his position and put himself in line with most of the country and world on these issues. He has to appeal to a broad range of communities. The left, the right and the centre.

alastair

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Is it not good he has shifted his position and put himself in line with most of the country and world on these issues. He has to appeal to a broad range of communities. The left, the right and the centre.

It isn't much good to anyone when he shifts his position from day to day, and manages to insult all and sundry in the process. It takes just one blowhard to antagonise an entire village.

Iceboy

alastair wrote: »

It's you who is misinformed. Sending activists to political rally's to 'bird-dog' is not an incitement to violence. If your supporters can't deal with someone wearing a planned parenthood teeshirt, then the problem's with your supporters, not the teeshirt wearer.

No you are misinformed. This is all in the wikileaks, the democrats ADMIT to sending in people to Trump rallies to incite violence! stop defending their disgusting behaviour

This woman (Donna Brazille) is a Disgrace to the Country. She is a Fraud, a Liar, and should be prosecuted with Hillary, she was caught in the wikileaks red handed giving heads up question to Hilary before live televison debates. They all need to go to jail!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-rJiPIqGhg

KingBrian2

alastair wrote: »

It isn't much good to anyone when he shifts his position from day to day, and manages to insult all and sundry in the process. It takes just one blowhard to antagonise an entire village.

You say he insults people but hold on it goes both ways America has been subjected to insults also from various parts of the world and Hillary has insulted her fellow country people also. The anger in America was there with Sarah Palin & Michelle Bachmann so it's not like this came out of nowhere. Trump has a broad appeal. The anti Clinton voter is one part of his constituency the war veterans and Legal immigration advocates are equally important.

RobertKK

alastair wrote: »

It's you who is misinformed. Sending activists to political rally's to 'bird-dog' is not an incitement to violence. If your supporters can't deal with someone wearing a planned parenthood teeshirt, then the problem's with your supporters, not the teeshirt wearer.

Wikileaks showed the Clinton campaign were closer to a Mr Creamer who sent people to Trump rallies to cause trouble.
Did you ever consider the 'Trump supporters' who Creamer had incite could also be people he bused in?

alastair

Iceboy wrote: »

No you are misinformed. This is all in the wikileaks, the democrats ADMIT to sending in people to Trump rallies to incite violence! stop defending their disgusting behaviour

No, the Democrats admit no such thing. You're either misinformed or deceitful yourself. Why not post up this link of anyone admitting such a thing, if you're so sure that only CAPS will do?

alastair

RobertKK wrote: »

Did you ever consider the 'Trump supporters' who Creamer had incite could also be people he bused in?

No.

Are you suggesting that any such thing happened? If so, on what basis (idle personal speculation doesn't really count)?

Overheal

And NC is back to Clinton leaning

KingBrian2

The Stephen Colbert show funny show.:) Actually showed that Democrats were involved in causing unrest within the Trump rallies and the Trump supporters were easily aggrieved.

BorneTobyWilde

Very typical rallies. Trump will do 3 a day and talk to almost 100k people
Hillary will typical do one a day and talk to 150 people

BorneTobyWilde

I believe all the numbers are wrong and that Trump wins with very easily .

alastair

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Very typical rallies. Trump will do 3 a day and talk to almost 100k people
Hillary will typical do one a day and talk to 150 people

The electorate is substantially larger than the numbers that go to rallies. Numbers of people at rallies don't tell you anything about how the electorate will vote.

BorneTobyWilde

alastair wrote: »

The electorate is substantially larger than the numbers that go to rallies. Numbers of people at rallies don't tell you anything about how the electorate will vote.

Trump is getting people voting who never voted. Early voting is insane, and it must be for Trump as the people over seeing early voting have never seen anything like it before.

aloyisious

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Trump is getting people voting who never voted. Early voting is insane, and it must be for Trump as the people over seeing early voting have never seen anything like it before.

I agree with you, and it might be even more than that, that both Hillary and Don are getting people up off their seats to vote, only it's not for reasons of preference, but dispreference..... Agitating people is a double-edged sword for Don & Hillary.

mrkiscool2

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I believe all the numbers are wrong and that Trump wins with very easily .

Nah, not easily. It will be close either way, New Hampshire is the battleground that decides this election now, along with Nevada. Trump is also below 3% behind in polls, which spells trouble for Clinton. He gets that down to less than 2.5 and that should be it for him.

walshyn93

alastair wrote: »

The parties haven't changed, the GOP has. But Trump has certainly shifted his position on, to name a few issues; Hillary Clinton, the ousting of Ghadaffi, the invasion of Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, abortion, nuclear proliferation, etc, etc...

Are you saying the Democratic Party hasnt changed since the 80s? A laughable suggestion.

FISMA.

Uh oh. Philly Transit Strike

It's hard to believe that Pa is a difficult win for Trump, given its excellent 2nd Amendment. But then there's Philly.

Looks like the Demo's better get this strike settled. No mass transit on an election day would be a disaster for Clinton.

Even with buses, she cannot expect the turnout Obama had.

FISMA.

Overheal wrote: »

And NC is back to Clinton leaning

Early voting already up by 10% wrt 2012.

Obamacare premiums going up 40%-50% NC.

Cause & effect? We'll soon see.

alastair

walshyn93 wrote: »

Are you saying the Democratic Party hasnt changed since the 80s? A laughable suggestion.

Indeed, but one you introduced, and not anything I claimed.

BorneTobyWilde

Funny feed blip on CNN
Conway on there with Anderson via link,
'' we have a democratic nominee who says she's going to fucck for women and children''

Suppose to be fight, but feed fell for 1/2 second so came out clear as day as fucck ''

I had to look around at tv to see what the hell did she just say.
I rewind it and it was a feed blip that turned word fight into fucck/

ancapailldorcha

The Economist has released a PDF guide to the election for anyone interested.

aloyisious

Pennsylvania, N/C and Florida are the major state battlegrounds over the next days and seem to be seen by both camps as swing states. New Hampshire might be a loser for Don. It's really too close to call now despite the polls, what with the TV news shows doing on-street interviews of voters. Hillary has Bernie stumping N/C for her. Melania might just persuade some female voters to vote for Don, she's playing the Immigrant card on how getting into the US is seen as a hope for improvement.

mrkiscool2

aloyisious wrote: »

Pennsylvania, N/C and Florida are the major state battlegrounds over the next days and seem to be seen by both camps as swing states. New Hampshire might be a loser for Don. It's really too close to call now despite the polls, what with the TV news shows doing on-street interviews of voters. Hillary has Bernie stumping N/C for her.

Nevada and N/C definitely but Florida over the last week has only been heading one way and in the last week Trump has had his chances over double in NH.

rossie1977

Sanders got more people to his rallies than either trump or clinton and Clinton still ended up beating him by more than 3 million votes in the primaries. I see those comparison pics on twitter all the time but fact is most of these rallies are in small venues

Iceboy wrote: »

This woman (Donna Brazille) is a Disgrace to the Country. She is a Fraud, a Liar, and should be prosecuted with Hillary, she was caught in the wikileaks red handed giving heads up question to Hilary before live televison debates. They all need to go to jail!

Not just jail..the death penalty!

The fact that in 2016 in the usa, supporters of one candidate are calling for the imprisonment of their political opponents tells you everything you need to know.

aloyisious

Don has gotten support from two sources that he'd rather not, one he'd disavowed, David Dukes. The other is the KKK newspaper. Duke, who is running for US Senate in Louisiana, has, like many other white nationalists, been a vocal supporter of Donald Trump during the 2016 election. Duke, a heavy underdog in that race, reaffirmed his support for Trump during a debate with his opponents on Wednesday night.

Eric Trump fell for the old trick of a radio host's prompt-suggestion when the host interviewing him suggested DD deserves a bullet to the head. Eric agreed saying that DD deserves a bullet. Clarification will follow but the quote is out there.

Melanie will probably try to keep Don away from mic's for a day or so to avoid an outburst from him causing loss of votes.

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwid5OXu9o3QAhXLB8AKHeLuB1gQqQIIHTAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2016%2F11%2F03%2Fpolitics%2Feric-trump-on-david-duke%2F&usg=AFQjCNGQOdYJ3MqqES-AlpgLvaG-TUtayQ

While she was at a rally earlier in the night, Hillary brought up Don's reported links with DD. Taken along with Barak's quotes while he's stumping for her in Florida about Don, it look's like the Dems have recognized over the past three or so days that the black vote isn't a sure thing for the Dems, something TV news interviews have revealed.

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BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Funny feed blip on CNN
Conway on there with Anderson via link... Suppose to be fight, but feed fell for 1/2 second so came out clear as day as fucck ''

Heard that also and thought 'that can't be right'. Apart from that, she isn't doing a bad job.

Seen an extract of the Mr Lasagna interview due to be broadcast this Saturday, apparently Julian himself thinks HC has it in the bag, as DT is too much of a risk.