2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

rossie1977

Iceboy wrote: »

Well said, Trump has been in the media spot light for 40 years with no sexual assualt claims

There are sexual assault and misconduct claims against trump going back to the 1980s actually including his former wife Ivana.

Akrasia

Iceboy wrote: »

To swim with men for 'further entertainment'? What mother says that?...

well, not the mother in the email, because she didn't say that. If she did, then you wouldn't have had to paraphrase it in a way to make it seem as seedy as possible

cnocbui

Iceboy wrote: »

Well said, Trump has been in the media spot light for 40 years with no sexual assualt claims, and only in the last month have these women being coming forward in droves claiming sexual assault and about a few have already been proven to be total lies. Likely paid for by the Clinton campaign

On the other side you have Billy boy who has settled multiple sexual assault cases and has been known for his sexual antics since the 70s

Trump has admitted sexually assaulting women. Many women of some credibility have said they were sexually assaulted by men of power and influence but who never pursued prosecutions because of various factors such as endangering careers and the burden of proof. Just recently, Tippi Hedren in the case of Alfred Hitchcock.

And you are completely wrong about there not being accusations of sexual assault in the past:

In fact, women have been making allegations that Donald Trump has sexually assaulted or harassed them for decades, including in sworn court filings. Some of the behavior women have described to reporters closely parallels Trump's own characterization of his conduct in a recently unearthed 2005 recording.

"I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait," he told then-"Access Hollywood" host Billy Bush. (Access Hollywood is owned and distributed by NBCUniversal, the parent company of NBC News and MSNBC.) In the tape, Trump brags about how being a star means "you can do anything," including "grab them by the pussy."

In a deposition filed during Trump's contentious 1990 divorce from his first wife Ivana, she described an incident she said took place in 1989. Ivana claims that Trump had gone to her plastic surgeon for painful scalp surgery, and lashed out at her afterward, ripping out hair from her scalp. Then, "He raped me," Ivana reportedly told her close friends, according to the 1993 book that first reported the deposition, "Lost Tycoon: The Many Lives of Donald J. Trump."

Allegation of sexual assault in 1992 and 1993, made in a court filing in 1997

In a complaint filed in federal court in 1997, Jill Harth said that Trump, in the course of a business meeting, "repeatedly put his hands on [her] thighs" and attempted "to touch [her] intimate private parts."

It didn't end there, Harth said in an interview with the Guardian. She described how Trump subsequently pushed her into his daughter Ivanka's room and "he pushed me up against the wall, and had his hands all over me and tried to get up my dress again, and I had to physically say: 'What are you doing? Stop it.'"

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/allegations-women-have-made-against-donald-trump-n665731

ebbsy

Akrasia wrote: »

The woman who was to reveal her identity and sue Donald Trump was reported to have been the subject of multiple death threats. This is the reason she gave for cancelling her press conference 2 days ago.

It's plausible that this woman was genuinely in fear of her life, but its also plausible that she just used this as an excuse to back out of the case because she was lying.

I suspect that all of the Trump supporters will choose to believe the latter rather than the former.

Because the case not going ahead now, we'll probably never know the truth

She probably didn't get paid by Hillary and said "**** it I'm not doing this for nowt".

TheOven

Can't really blame her for not going through with it. Would Trump supporters care if he raped a child? Unlikely. They would say it is part of a Clinton plot or it makes him an alpha. She would have ruined her life and have to live in fear if they knew who she was.

Overheal

TheOven wrote: »

Can't really blame her for not going through with it. Would Trump supporters care if he raped a child? Unlikely. They would say it is part of a Clinton plot or it makes him an alpha. She would have ruined her life and have to live in fear if they knew who she was.

Either she was already receiving threats from people she knew, or just reading the comments online knew people were threatening her already in anonymity.

gosplan

So reports of anti-gvt militia groups and neo-fascists gearing up to monitor polling stations.

Based on false claims from Trump about rigged elections.

Regardless of which way you lean, the prospect of random untrained punters showing up at polling booths possibly armed with the intention of making sure everything is 'fair' is not good.

I'm sure lots of them will be fine but then you also have the armed guy saying he's keeping a close eye on 'anyone who doesn't speak American'

They're just answering Trump's call though.

He's a very dangerous person.

briany

Overheal wrote: »

Either she was already receiving threats from people she knew, or just reading the comments online knew people were threatening her already in anonymity.

Yeah, but it's not like she would have gone beforehand, "Oh, well, I'll just put it out there that I'm about to make this huge allegation and that'll be fine."

Anyone living in the world who's been watching the news knows how crazy Trump supporters can be, and likewise we know what a cesspool social media can be. So, you unfortunately have to be braced for that stuff before wading in, so to speak.

osmiumartist

Overheal wrote: »

Either she was already receiving threats from people she knew, or just reading the comments online knew people were threatening her already in anonymity.

Threats such as "you'll go to jail for perjury" perhaps?

aloyisious

ebbsy wrote: »

I see that "woman" that accused the Don of molesting her as a 13 year old has withdrawn her case.

Hopefully he will sue the pants off her.

Do you not think "hopefully he will sue her" would have got your point across, without using "the pants off" seeing as the case was about rape?

aloyisious

aloyisious wrote:

Do you not think "hopefully he will sue her" would have got your point across, without using "the pants off" seeing as the case was about rape?

Oh god!

Amerika

Pennsylvania: Tied

http://harperpolling.com/polls/pennsylvania-statewide-poll--11-2-3#PresidentTIE

New Hampshire: Tied

https://www.uml.edu/docs/TOPLINE-NH-GENERAL-20161103_tcm18-264691.pdf

Colorado: Tied

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/11/02/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-tied-in-colorado-new-poll-shows/

Michigan: Tied

http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/04/exclusive-poll-trump-clinton-tied-in-michigan/

Nevada: Tied

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/nvelection-8-news-now-poll-finds-clinton-trump-races-tied

Lions and Tigers and Bears..... Oh My?

osmiumartist

aloyisious wrote: »

Do you not think "hopefully he will sue her" would have got your point across, without using "the pants off" seeing as the case was about rape?

Could you not say that without using the word "point" which is quite phallic?

aloyisious

Specially for the Don supporter team, the following was on facebook. I tried to download the saved F/B link but faced a request to prove I was a human, went no further there.

It said the head of the Dept of Homeland Security had told Fox News that Hillary was guilty of treason as she had ignored advice on her use of devices to receive and sent emails. I googled it and found the Conservative Daily News (online) is running with the same chatter. It's easily "googable" using the words..... department-of-homeland-security-chairman-officially-indicts-hillary-clinton-of-treason

I'm sprinkling salt on the "story" cos it sounds so like conviction without trial.

Arturo Bandini

TheOven wrote: »

Can't really blame her for not going through with it. Would Trump supporters care if he raped a child? Unlikely. They would say it is part of a Clinton plot or it makes him an alpha. She would have ruined her life and have to live in fear if they knew who she was.

This is disgusting.

Posts in this thread talk about this claim like it's a fact, and are only doing so because Trump is the accused. You people expect Trump's fan to believe he's a rapist when there's no proof.

In this election cycle anything negative about Trump becomes fact to the people who hate him regardless of the evidence.

osmiumartist

aloyisious wrote: »

Specially for the Don supporter team, the following was on facebook. I tried to download the saved F/B link but faced a request to prove I was a human, went no further there.

So you can't prove you are human but you want to moan about Trump supporters?

Amerika

Arturo Bandini wrote: »

This is disgusting.

Posts in this thread talk about this claim like it's a fact, and are only doing so because Trump is the accused. You people expect Trump's fan to believe he's a rapist when there's no proof.

In this election cycle anything negative about Trump becomes fact to the people who hate him regardless of the evidence.

Clinton and Obama apparently are utilizing the BIG LIE THEORY as their endgame in this election. Someone would be proud.

osmiumartist

TheOven wrote: »

Can't really blame her for not going through with it. Would Trump supporters care if he raped a child? Unlikely.

And would Clinton supporters bad an eyelid if she supported rapist headchopper lunatics across the middle east...
We don't even need to ask as it turns out, bit different from your "unlikely" Nostradamus.

gosplan

The discourse is really going down the toilet.

Like really.

Child rape, child sex parties in hot tubs, satanic rituals.

I can't wait till this is over.

Sofa Spud

Amerika wrote: »

Pennsylvania: Tied

http://harperpolling.com/polls/pennsylvania-statewide-poll--11-2-3#PresidentTIE

New Hampshire: Tied - B- rating from 538, so credible

https://www.uml.edu/docs/TOPLINE-NH-GENERAL-20161103_tcm18-264691.pdf

Colorado: Tied B Rating

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/11/02/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-tied-in-colorado-new-poll-shows/

Michigan: Tied No 538 Rating

http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/04/exclusive-poll-trump-clinton-tied-in-michigan/

Nevada: Tied C+ rating, so maybe not so credible

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/nvelection-8-news-now-poll-finds-clinton-trump-races-tied

C+ rating, so maybe not so credible

Lions and Tigers and Bears..... Oh My?

Whatever about the credibility of the above polls, it still looks like the momentum, regardless of the intensity, is with Trump...

FISMA.

Things are pretty bad when a Democratic Elector in the Electoral College won't vote for the Democratic nomination, even if she wins the votes in the area.

Washington state elector says he won't vote for Clinton

Sofa Spud

FISMA. wrote: »

Things are pretty bad when a Democratic Elector in the Electoral College won't vote for the Democratic nomination, even if she wins the votes in the area.

Washington state elector says he won't vote for Clinton

Had to have guessed it would be a 'Bernie or Bust' diehard. Clinton has many, many faults and the way the DNC was stacked against Bernie needs to be dealt with, but to throw your toys out of the pram and potentially (very, very unlikely) help elect the polar opposite of Bernie is beyond childish....

RobertKK

gosplan wrote: »

So reports of anti-gvt militia groups and neo-fascists gearing up to monitor polling stations.

Based on false claims from Trump about rigged elections.

Regardless of which way you lean, the prospect of random untrained punters showing up at polling booths possibly armed with the intention of making sure everything is 'fair' is not good.

I'm sure lots of them will be fine but then you also have the armed guy saying he's keeping a close eye on 'anyone who doesn't speak American'

They're just answering Trump's call though.

He's a very dangerous person.

They are all dangerous, the Clintons got money from Saudi Arabia and Qatar who also fund ISIS, and Saudi Arabia clearly linked with the 9/11 atrocities.


The fact is out of a population of somewhere around 320 million people, the USA did a pretty awful job in finding front runners to lead the country.

Christy42

Arturo Bandini wrote: »

This is disgusting.

Posts in this thread talk about this claim like it's a fact, and are only doing so because Trump is the accused. You people expect Trump's fan to believe he's a rapist when there's no proof.

In this election cycle anything negative about Trump becomes fact to the people who hate him regardless of the evidence.

Strange you don't comment on those posts that assumed the woman in question was lying and should be sued for defamation.

Some how I don't see Trump doing more than his usual threatening to sue. Actually on the point of Trump suing people, isn't he meant to sue the New York Times for defamation as well?

osmiumartist

Sofa Spud wrote: »

Had to have guessed it would be a 'Bernie or Bust' diehard. Clinton has many, many faults and the way the DNC was stacked against Bernie needs to be dealt with, but to throw your toys out of the pram and potentially (very, very unlikely) help elect the polar opposite of Bernie is beyond childish....

A lot of people see Clinton as the polar opposite of Sanders too. Hence woeful support from Democrats.

Sofa Spud

osmiumartist wrote: »

A lot of people see Clinton as the polar opposite of Sanders too. Hence woeful support from Democrats.

Indeed, totally agree, and I can see where they are coming from, but to elect Trump by default simply makes no sense.

Also, Hillary has adopted a sizeable chunk of Bernie's platform - hence his going out to stump for her - but that does not get covered in an election that seems to be completely void of any substantive policy discussion - look at this thread...

rossie1977

osmiumartist wrote: »

A lot of people see Clinton as the polar opposite of Sanders too. Hence woeful support from Democrats.

Sanders is actually polar opposite of what the democrats are as a party ie a right leaning centrist party

gosplan

RobertKK wrote: »

They are all dangerous, the Clintons got money from Saudi Arabia and Qatar who also fund ISIS, and Saudi Arabia clearly linked with the 9/11 atrocities.


The fact is out of a population of somewhere around 320 million people, the USA did a pretty awful job in finding front runners to lead the country.

The above claim is a bit suspect. Did 'the clintons' get money or did a charity get money.

Nonetheless the type of personality that when faced with maybe losing something invents an enemy/conspiracy and encourages armed people to go out and be vigilant against it is far far far more worrying.

Nody

RobertKK wrote: »

They are all dangerous, the Clintons got money from Saudi Arabia and Qatar who also fund ISIS, and Saudi Arabia clearly linked with the 9/11 atrocities.

And the USA under Bush sold them hundred of billions worth of modern weapons; so clearly the republican administration did not have an issue with them.

RobertKK

gosplan wrote: »

The above claim is a bit suspect. Did 'the clintons' get money or did a charity get money.

Nonetheless the type of personality that when faced with maybe losing something invents an enemy/conspiracy and encourages armed people to go out and be vigilant against it is far far far more worrying.

Look they are all involved in conspiracy theories. Trump with a rigged voting system, now with Black voting numbers down, there are claims of voter suppression from Democrats.
Trump not believing the polls when they had him doing bad, while the Democrats praising James Comey to the hilt until he announced a laptop with 650,000 linked to the Hillary Clinton private server became a huge issue again.

The Clintons have used their foundation to garner speaking fees outside the charity.
What was Bill Clinton doing that the Qatari state who are linked with funding ISIS decided that Bill should get a gift to the foundation of $1 million for his birthday?
The Saudi's who donated $25 million to the foundation and Hillary as Secretary of State signs off on the largest ever arms deal to Saudi Arabia, which in turn has been in used in the war against Yemen, where the Saudis are blockading everything including food, and pictures of starving people are coming out of Yemen.
Hillary has been an accessory to these crimes against humanity. We remember when our own ancestors starved due to a government who didn't care.
Hillary should be answering for her role in helping a nation in a war where the country she helped is also choosing to starve people.

FISMA.

All the chips are on the table. Not much time to call left.

Can't wait to see the cards that everyone in this game is holding!

Anonymous is making some pretty big statements.

*************************************************

It’s About to Hit The Fan. ANONYMOUS: ‘Remember, Remember, The 5th Of November’

Anonymous just revealed why they changed their plan and what will happen on November 5th. Buckle up, it’s gonna get bumpy!

Just in *** Breaking News ***

Anonymous No.95833740

Over the next few days many new documents will be released. The contents of these documents will contain evidence of perhaps the largest coverup in American History. Before this happens we would like to explain ourselves and answer a few questions you may have.

Until this month, WikiLeaks and Anonymous have worked together in building an efficient, detailed, comprehensive set of documents that would be responsible for the incarceration of Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, and 21 individuals ranging from the DNC, FBI, CIA, and Clinton foundation. These documents will show without a doubt, evidence of Treason, Obstruction of Justice, Election Fraud/Manipulation, and Bribery.

This was intended to be the October surprise. But before the release of these documents, we were contacted by a member of the FBI, as well as another from the CIA, and a week later by the NYPD. All with information retaining to something much darker than even we imagined.

Due to the nature of these leaks, we all worked together as efficiently as possible to ensure two objectives.
That all necessary information would be given to the public in an organized, searchable, manageable way.

Those who provided us with this information would be able to find safety before these releases were made. (This concern wasn’t without warrant.)

Anonymous No.95833807

The new leaks being released this week will provide documents in the form of emails, pictures, and videos. Within these will be evidence of Bill Clinton, as well as at least 6 other Government officials, taking part in acts with minors. As well as evidence of Human trafficking that also included minors.

We believe these pictures and videos were taken for the purpose of political manipulation. In order to make sure all participants followed through on a previously agreed agenda.

These documents were given to us by an American Governement official when he had come to learn that this crime had been covered up by Hilary and her staff through methods including bribery and blackmail. He also told us that due to the restricted access to these documents, they would soon know he was the one who released him to us.

We tried to make arrangements for him to exit the country safely, but he was killed before those arrangements could be carried out. We are still not sure if this is because they became aware of the leak, or if they were scared that he may in the future. In either case, his identity will be made public in this next set of leaks so that he can be honored for the hero that he was.

We will not only be releasing these documents, but we have multiple memebers of the FBI, CIA, and NYBD who will be publicly verifying their authenticity once their safety is assured.

This hack has not come from Russia or anyone else they may try to blame this on. This is a leak from Americas own Government Officials who fear for their safety had the opposed them directly due to reasons that will be made clear soon.

We thank you for your patience, as well as your determination and assistance in helping us expose the corruption that has infested our own government. Democracy will be restored to America.

Remember remember the 5th of November

Anonymous also just released the following video:

osmiumartist

Ah lads, she's a crook but this is nuts.

mrkiscool2

538 have given Nevada back to Trump, Florida and North Carolina staying steady for Trump, Trump still eating into Clinton's lead in New Hampshire. NH will decide this election now it seems.

RobertKK

FISMA. wrote: »

All the chips are on the table. Not much time to call left.

Can't wait to see the cards that everyone in this game is holding!

Anonymous is making some pretty big statements.

*************************************************

It’s About to Hit The Fan. ANONYMOUS: ‘Remember, Remember, The 5th Of November’

Anonymous just revealed why they changed their plan and what will happen on November 5th. Buckle up, it’s gonna get bumpy!

Just in *** Breaking News ***

Anonymous No.95833740

Over the next few days many new documents will be released. The contents of these documents will contain evidence of perhaps the largest coverup in American History. Before this happens we would like to explain ourselves and answer a few questions you may have.

Until this month, WikiLeaks and Anonymous have worked together in building an efficient, detailed, comprehensive set of documents that would be responsible for the incarceration of Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, and 21 individuals ranging from the DNC, FBI, CIA, and Clinton foundation. These documents will show without a doubt, evidence of Treason, Obstruction of Justice, Election Fraud/Manipulation, and Bribery.

This was intended to be the October surprise. But before the release of these documents, we were contacted by a member of the FBI, as well as another from the CIA, and a week later by the NYPD. All with information retaining to something much darker than even we imagined.

Due to the nature of these leaks, we all worked together as efficiently as possible to ensure two objectives.
That all necessary information would be given to the public in an organized, searchable, manageable way.

Those who provided us with this information would be able to find safety before these releases were made. (This concern wasn’t without warrant.)

Anonymous No.95833807

The new leaks being released this week will provide documents in the form of emails, pictures, and videos. Within these will be evidence of Bill Clinton, as well as at least 6 other Government officials, taking part in acts with minors. As well as evidence of Human trafficking that also included minors.

We believe these pictures and videos were taken for the purpose of political manipulation. In order to make sure all participants followed through on a previously agreed agenda.

These documents were given to us by an American Governement official when he had come to learn that this crime had been covered up by Hilary and her staff through methods including bribery and blackmail. He also told us that due to the restricted access to these documents, they would soon know he was the one who released him to us.

We tried to make arrangements for him to exit the country safely, but he was killed before those arrangements could be carried out. We are still not sure if this is because they became aware of the leak, or if they were scared that he may in the future. In either case, his identity will be made public in this next set of leaks so that he can be honored for the hero that he was.

We will not only be releasing these documents, but we have multiple memebers of the FBI, CIA, and NYBD who will be publicly verifying their authenticity once their safety is assured.

This hack has not come from Russia or anyone else they may try to blame this on. This is a leak from Americas own Government Officials who fear for their safety had the opposed them directly due to reasons that will be made clear soon.

We thank you for your patience, as well as your determination and assistance in helping us expose the corruption that has infested our own government. Democracy will be restored to America.

Remember remember the 5th of November

Anonymous also just released the following video:

There are claims Bill Clinton went to the island owned by paedophile Jeffrey Epstein, 26 times and without the secret service.

There is smoke, but whether there is a fire is another thing.

FISMA.

RobertKK wrote: »

There is smoke, but whether there is a fire is another thing.

Y'up. That the Clinton's were on Orgy Island numerous times is old news. Hillary was there a few times. However, Bill was there far more.:rolleyes: Must be the frequent flier miles!

Point of the post is that Anonymous is going beyond travel itineraries and saying they have the coup de gras.

Again, everyone is going to have to show their hand soon!

Will be interesting to see who: has the best hand, is bluffing, has a wildcard, and of course, has been cheating!

osmiumartist

FISMA. wrote: »

Y'up. That the Clinton's were on Orgy Island numerous times is old news. Hillary was there a few times. However, Bill was there far more.:rolleyes: Must be the frequent flier miles!

Point of the post is that Anonymous is going beyond travel itineraries and saying they have the coup de gras.

Again, everyone is going to have to show their hand soon!

Will be interesting to see who: has the best hand, is bluffing, has a wildcard, and of course, has been cheating!

If it exists it should be shown. That's my opinion.
The problem I have though with Wikileaks and Anonymous (and Trump sex assault accusers for that matter) is that this close to polling day it is 100% obviously to influence the election.

briany

Will Anonymous actually put out an infodump prompting a political earthquake, or will they mark the 5th of November with the sound of crickets? It just seems to me that these kinds of things are rarely announced in such a way ahead of time. It's usually more like "blam! There you go, f**kers." What's to be accomplished from announcing you have a scoop? Put up, or shut up, I say.

osmiumartist

briany wrote: »

Will Anonymous actually put out an infodump prompting a political earthquake, or will they mark the 5th of November with the sound of crickets? It just seems to me that these kinds of things are rarely announced in such a way ahead of time. It's usually more like "blam! There you go, f**kers." What's to be accomplished from announcing you have a scoop? Put up, or shut up, I say.

Much as I always say to Assange or Wikileaks' detractors though: have they ever been wrong before?

RobertKK

briany wrote: »

Will Anonymous actually put out an infodump prompting a political earthquake, or will they mark the 5th of November with the sound of crickets? It just seems to me that these kinds of things are rarely announced in such a way ahead of time. It's usually more like "blam! There you go, f**kers." What's to be accomplished from announcing you have a scoop? Put up, or shut up, I say.

My money is on crickets chirping.

alchemist33

Arturo Bandini wrote: »

This is disgusting.

Posts in this thread talk about this claim like it's a fact, and are only doing so because Trump is the accused. You people expect Trump's fan to believe he's a rapist when there's no proof.

In this election cycle anything negative about Trump becomes fact to the people who hate him regardless of the evidence.

Very ironic given what else is going on in this thread.

B_Wayne

osmiumartist wrote: »

Much as I always say to Assange or Wikileaks' detractors though: have they ever been wrong before?

This year, yep. Their Saudi and Turkish leaks only served to endanger innocent people. Were heavily criticised for both.

PopePalpatine

B_Wayne wrote: »

This year, yep. Their Saudi and Turkish leaks only served to endanger innocent people. Were heavily criticised for both.

Speaking of Wikileaks endangering innocent people...

Overheal

osmiumartist wrote: »

Threats such as "you'll go to jail for perjury" perhaps?

More like her and her family would be "physically harmed, if not killed."

Who apparently made that threat you ask? Donald Trump

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-threatened-to-kill-rape-accuser-if-she-reported-him-a7394846.html

B_Wayne

Samples of Wikileaks endangering people... Neither leak revealed anything new or of note. In recent times their material has just reeked of Assange's self promotion more than anything.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/08/23/wikileaks-outs-gay-people-in-saudi-arabia-in-reckless-mass-data-dump/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zeynep-tufekci/wikileaks-erdogan-emails_b_11158792.html

osmiumartist

Overheal wrote: »

More like her and her family would be "physically harmed, if not killed."

Who apparently made that threat you ask? Donald Trump

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-threatened-to-kill-rape-accuser-if-she-reported-him-a7394846.html

Apparently? Convincing!
"Mr Trump threatened the plaintiff". Evidence presented to back this up? <null>
Her lawyer doesn't even say Trump threatened her, just that she was threatened. Played or what.
Next.

osmiumartist

B_Wayne wrote: »

Samples of Wikileaks endangering people... Neither leak revealed anything new or of note. In recent times their material has just reeked of Assange's self promotion more than anything.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/08/23/wikileaks-outs-gay-people-in-saudi-arabia-in-reckless-mass-data-dump/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zeynep-tufekci/wikileaks-erdogan-emails_b_11158792.html

Neither of which are evidence of Wikileaks being wrong.
Wanna try again?

PopePalpatine

I'd imagine Assange has a serious grudge against the US political establishment, and I honestly can't say I don't blame him insofar as he started Wikileaks in the first place. Don't get me wrong, we need whistleblowers in society, it just so happens you'll never see Wikileaks target the Kremlin.

gosplan

RobertKK wrote: »

Look they are all involved in conspiracy theories. Trump with a rigged voting system, now with Black voting numbers down, there are claims of voter suppression from Democrats.
Trump not believing the polls when they had him doing bad, while the Democrats praising James Comey to the hilt until he announced a laptop with 650,000 linked to the Hillary Clinton private server became a huge issue again.

The Clintons have used their foundation to garner speaking fees outside the charity.
What was Bill Clinton doing that the Qatari state who are linked with funding ISIS decided that Bill should get a gift to the foundation of $1 million for his birthday?
The Saudi's who donated $25 million to the foundation and Hillary as Secretary of State signs off on the largest ever arms deal to Saudi Arabia, which in turn has been in used in the war against Yemen, where the Saudis are blockading everything including food, and pictures of starving people are coming out of Yemen.
Hillary has been an accessory to these crimes against humanity. We remember when our own ancestors starved due to a government who didn't care.
Hillary should be answering for her role in helping a nation in a war where the country she helped is also choosing to starve people.

There's no point here.

Bill Clinton used his status as ex-president to command loads of speaking fees - which every ex president does.

Hillary signed off on an arms deal to Saudi. Sorry but all arms deals are messed up. I don't in any way approve of that but given that arms production is a massive massive industry in the US, I imagine it's standard for the job.

Now like I said, Trump, when things weren't going his way, made stuff up about rigged elections and encouraged a bunch of far right people to turn up to police polling stations against fictitious enemies.

That is messed up.

What happens when congress block something he wants to do????

PopePalpatine

gosplan wrote: »

What happens when congress block something he wants to do????

I think Gabi Giffords would know all too well.

B_Wayne

osmiumartist wrote: »

Neither of which are evidence of Wikileaks being wrong.
Wanna try again?

Well, there was literally nothing damning or newsworthy and they did claim there would be. They were irresponsible and put lives at risk. That's a dangerous lack of integrity. In terms of their recent leaks on Clinton, nope still nothing of note. You get insane interpretations of personal emails but that's about it, weird interpretations.