2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

Jawgap

Gael23 wrote: »

So many former US politicians will turn in their graves today

Yep, right about now Lincoln is thinking "should've just let them secede - it would've been better in the long run"

Amerika

FISMA. wrote: »

Surgeon General Ben Carson on the stage! Where's Attorney General Christie!

I think that spot will go to Rudy.

Amerika

FISMA. wrote: »

Surgeon General Ben Carson on the stage! Where's Attorney General Christie!

Ben Carson as SG is a good pick.

Jawgap

FISMA. wrote: »

Surgeon General Ben Carson on the stage! Where's Attorney General Christie!

Sorry, I think you mean Attorney General Giuliani!

Lirange

Gael23 wrote: »

So many former US politicians will turn in their graves today

So many current US politicians may drink themselves into their graves today.

aloyisious

Now we'll have to wait til the new year to see what US foreign and trade policies he'll adapt for the Americas, For Europe and for the world in general to see what way our combined future histories will be. I'm listening to the commentators talking about Don immediately scrapping all of Barak's acts and deals, incl Obama-care.

RobertKK

CNN say Trump will go over 300 electoral votes.

Easy win for Trump in the end.

The Republican strategy to block Obama's Supreme court nominee has worked.

Akrasia

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Goodwinned minutes after his acceptance speech.

Well done.

Hitler wasn't godwinned until years after he was elected...

America has elected a maniac as president. We are now in an episode of Rick and Morti. Anything is possible but global annihilation is the likely outcome

Nody

aloyisious wrote: »

Now we'll have to wait til the new year to see what US foreign and trade policies he'll adapt for the Americas, For Europe and for the world in general to see what way our combined future histories will be.

Well if we'd go by what was said it would be a negative for UK for sure as USA would go more protectionist in their approach and give tax rebates to bring back cash from outside of USA. On the other hand I'm not sure what manufacturing / jobs you'd move from USA to UK (or vice versa) but I could see UK's ship and flight industry taking a hit (domestic push for American companies) though.

hmmm

Irrespective of whichever side they are on, I always hope that the US President will be one of the smartest guys in the room. With Obama you felt that - the same with the elder Bush. Even the younger Bush wasn't half as stupid as his detractors made him out to be.

But Trump - Mr "we have nuclear weapons why don't we use them?".

cnocbui

cnocbui wrote: »

They voted for Bush twice!, so Trump isn't a stretch at all, unfortunately.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.

20Cent

So trump praising Clinton in his victory speech. Thought he wanted to jail her.
Breaking promises already.

FISMA.

FISMA. wrote: »

Nope. Trump won tonight.

alastair wrote: »

Best of luck with that.

:rolleyes:

BTW - where's Overheal? - meant to say thanks for the early SC win!

Achasanai

20Cent wrote: »

So trump praising Clinton in his victory speech. Thought he wanted to jail her.
Breaking promises already.

They can get back to being best of friends now.

K-9

learn_more wrote: »

Today, is one of the most depressing days of my life. I'm totally shocked. Not surprised, but shocked all the same.

It is not depressing.

It's over to you Trump, Brexit etc.

It's a time for the left to rediscover what the wordleft really means, which isn't going Corbyn 80's style socialism (bless his cotton socks, heart in the right place) or selling out basic common decency and fairness to Blairism and Bertieism.

Union workers will come back to the Democratic party when it finds out Trump sold them out. Trump wants business's to profit more and cut costs and regulations which means... Jobs and wages.

It's up to the Democrats to put that message across.

This was a presidency that would last 4 yearsml. It's up to Democrats to find another Obama or even a Sanders.

meepins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7WSLTwZPZU

Jawgap

hmmm wrote: »

Irrespective of whichever side they are on, I always hope that the US President will be one of the smartest guys in the room. With Obama you felt that - the same with the elder Bush. Even the younger Bush wasn't half as stupid as his detractors made him out to be.

But Trump - Mr "we have nuclear weapons why don't we use them?".

Bush minor's strength was that he knew his own limitations and had the sense to appoint some clever thinkers around him - you mightn't have agreed with his/their ideas but at least there was some intellectual basis.

I sincerely doubt that Trump even a grain of the same sense of self-awareness, and I'd wonder just how welcoming he'd be of dissent? Will he fire people who disagree with him, or welcome their counterpoint and considerate it before acting? Personally, I doubt he'll be very welcoming of perspectives that run counter to his, and he'll be looking for yes men and women.

minikin

The shark has been trumped, time for the brits to take back their colony...

Christy42

RobertKK wrote: »

CNN say Trump will go over 300 electoral votes.

Easy win for Trump in the end.

The Republican strategy to block Obama's Supreme court nominee has worked.

Given who will win the most votes is still up in the air I would say that easy might not be the correct phrase.

Given this could be the second idiot the electoral college will elect over the wishes of the voting public it will hopefully give an incentive to get rid of the system altogether.

FISMA.

Been saying it for a while and would like to take this opportunity to thank Mr Trump: NO MORE BUSH's, NO MORE CLINTON's, and NO MORE KENNEDY's!!!

Nody

Christy42 wrote: »

Given this could be the second idiot the electoral college will elect over the wishes of the voting public it will hopefully give an incentive to get rid of the system altogether.

That is as likely as Politicians starting to vote for their salaries to be lowered; even the Democrats would never bother pushing for it for the simple reason it could rock the boat to much (and they would be the likely benefactor of the change after all).

Igotadose

When we look back in a couple years, if (heaven prevent) Trump's caused some of the disasters we're all expecting, remember those that voted for him and agitated for him, here and elsewhere. Like that fellow from Pennsylvania, a place where all the votes mattered, who constantly reposted Breitbart and other sites here despite being roundly debunked. Pretty much daily. Pennsylvania really mattered.

When the disaster strike, they'll try the 'we didn't know' 'we made a mistake' 'we didn't expect this.'
They did, and are very happy this morning.

If through some miracle, he hasn't done something disastrous (and given all I know about him, I think that's unlikely,) then hats off to those that voted for him. But, I think if I still have a hat by then, it won't be coming off.

Stay safe.

FISMA.

Christy42 wrote: »

Given this could be the second idiot the electoral college will elect over the wishes of the voting public it will hopefully give an incentive to get rid of the system altogether.

We're a Republic, not a Democracy...

cnocbui

FISMA. wrote: »

Been saying it for a while and would like to take this opportunity to thank Mr Trump: NO MORE BUSH's, NO MORE CLINTON's, and NO MORE KENNEDY's!!!

Remember those words when the Russian tanks are crossing borders.

Apple and those other US companies that make stuff in China must be ecstatic. If you have shares in any of them, sell them the minute the market opens today.

K-9

Any time Republicans or Trump go on about cutting costs, that means jobs.


Maybe Trump is when the penny finally drops, the light bulb moment.

Maybe people finally cop that that the last 40 years of wage stagnation ties in with the the obliteration of unions.

FISMA.

Amerika wrote: »

Ben Carson as SG is a good pick.

Kelly Conway? Press Secretary seems a bit beneath here at this point.

She took a beating from the liberal media. I'll have to find the clip where she said there were multiple paths to victory and the entire room, filled with liberal media, broke in to laughter.

20Cent

Wanna see the look on trump supporters faces when their health insurance gets revoked.

aloyisious

FISMA. wrote: »

We're a Republic, not a Democracy...

True, and founded on the basis of no taxation without representation. Looking back on the election, i guess it was a citizens re-run, after a fashion, of 1776, two hundred and forty years later.

Christy42

FISMA. wrote: »

We're a Republic, not a Democracy...

There is already a campaign to make it happen that has been going on. Seeing that it is a silly system and it has an effect could give that campaign a boost.

Amerika

Maybe, just maybe, Trump will help to make America great again.

learn_more

Nody wrote: »

That is as likely as Politicians starting to vote for their salaries to be lowered; even the Democrats would never bother pushing for it for the simple reason it could rock the boat to much (and they would be the likely benefactor of the change after all).

Indeed. Obama promised he was going to 'change Washington', in his speeches of 2008.

He never did anything of the like, and he didn't even try to.

FISMA.

Amerika wrote: »

Maybe, just maybe, Trump will help to make America great again.

The greatest fear of the Democrats and many Republicans too, is that he will succeed!

FA Hayek

A result that is surprising but the fact no one in the establishment saw it coming shows us how far removed they are.

Zubeneschamali

Just chiming in to admit I was wrong - I believed the polls and they were very wrong. My hand is up - glad I didn't put my money where my mouth was.

Now off to throw stones at the beach - help widen the Atlantic, folks!

Kiith

I'm shocked he won. Woke up at 5am, and saw that it was pretty much done, and i was genuinely worried. To think that Donald Trump is now the president elect of the United States...jesus christ. Anyone who thinks the middle class will benefit from this is deluding themselves.

The DNC absolutely screwed the pooch here.

vetinari

The problem is that the electorate quickly forget what **** ups Republican presidents are. Trump is a billionaire that's going to stand for the working class. What ****ing idiocy.

vetinari

Seriously if we're living in a world that has a president Trump, why the **** are curse words censored? What's the ****ing point of that?

Amazingfun

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Donald is very emotional

I saw him a wee bit teary and almost cried myself.....never saw him like that.

The Best Day Ever

Nody

vetinari wrote: »

Seriously if we're living in a world that has a president Trump, why the **** are curse words censored? What's the ****ing point of that?

Well I guess we can use Trump in a few years instead if things goes that way; oh ffs you trumped up again, oh you moron you're as bad as trump. Did you trump it again?

Lord TSC

vetinari wrote: »

The problem is that the electorate quickly forget what **** ups Republican presidents are. Trump is a billionaire that's going to stand for the working class. What ****ing idiocy.

Man literally lived in a solid gold penthouse before he won.

"Man of the normal people" :rolleyes:

Obama, the first Black president, will have to shake hands with a man who was endorsed by the KKK. 2016 is ****ed. Up.

Stealthfins

DrumSteve wrote: »

Now watch Russia in the next few weeks start expanding into Eastern Europe...

Drum roll please.....it won't happen...

Walter2016

Irish stock exchange has turned positive, no chnage in dollar or sterling v euro after initial negativity.

Dow futures down but improving.

Nasdaq futures down but recovering.


Looks like the markets are now pricing it as a non event

Nody

Lord TSC wrote: »

Obama, the first Black president, will have to shake hands with a man who was endorsed by the KKK. 2016 is ****ed. Up.

To be fair Clinton also got at least one KKK chapter supporting her as well and unlike Trump Obama got enough brains to make a suitable gesture and joke over it (though knowing Trump he'll threaten to sue).

learn_more

Nody wrote: »

Well I guess we can use Trump in a few years instead if things goes that way; oh ffs you trumped up again, oh you moron you're as bad as trump. Did you trump it again?

trump off ya trump ya.

devnull

What we're seeing is that the kind of people to vote for Brexit and Trump are shy about saying it publicly.

Nody

devnull wrote: »

What we're seeing is that the kind of people to vote for Brexit and Trump are shy about saying it publicly.

But is a random phone call from a polling company really public? I'm more inclined on the wrong cross section of people (i.e. they normally find a small area that is always called because historically it has worked but that does not mean it should not be challenged).

SimonTemplar

Ignoring her policies or flaws, on a purely personal level, I feel very sorry for Clinton.
For an extremely ambitious and determined career politician, who rose from First Lady to Senator to Secretary of State, to loose the White House to Donald Trump must be an absolutely crushing blow to her.

Jawgap

FISMA. wrote: »

Been saying it for a while and would like to take this opportunity to thank Mr Trump: NO MORE BUSH's, NO MORE CLINTON's, and NO MORE KENNEDY's!!!

You really think Ivanka isn't lining up / being lined up to run for office and quite probably Donald Jr and Eric - other political dynasties may be on the wane, but this looks like the start - or attempted start - of a new one......

.......of course it could be stillborn if by some miracle someone somewhere could persuade Michelle Obama to run

Jawgap

Amerika wrote: »

Maybe, just maybe, Trump will help to make America great again.

How?

Seriously how?

His speech struck a nice tone, but how is he going to reduce taxes and increase infrastructure spending and maintain fiscal discipline?

Lovely Bloke

devnull wrote: »

What we're seeing is that the kind of people to vote for Brexit and Trump are shy about saying it publicly.

Is it any wonder? Show any kind of support for Brexit, Trump, Le Pen, Orban and you immediately get cast as some kind of rabid racist.

The fault for this lies squarely with those people who demonise people who would like to see some kind of immigration control. Wanting to see an Australian-style system introduced to the EU is just not racist, but people who want to see unfettered inward movement, for whatever reason, shout the loudest, cast aspersions and behave disgustingly toward people of a different tack.