2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

alastair

26000 Elephants wrote: »

He also says your buddy Abu Nidal died of "natural causes" in Baghdad

And an aircraft from the Vincennes shot down the Iranian airliner. :D

Not a man for detail is he?

Ah now, don't be bitter because you can't distinguish non-fiction from 'partisan fiction'.

aloyisious

Going back a few days now, I was a bit surprised to see Nigel Farage on the stage beside Don, wondered why at the time. Probably not a surprise to others here, I've just heard the head of Brietbart UK is Farage's 2 i/c. Seem's some-one's bringing out a book on Nigel tomorrow.

aloyisious

B0jangles wrote: »

Don't mind me, just carryin' the Homeland Security policy doc under my arm with the front readable to everyone there...

https://twitter.com/CJOnline/status/800766763545796608/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Very subtle

I kind'a like this historical snippet circa 1905 banning Don's German Grand-dad, Friedrich, from Germany for life after he went to the US in 1885 seeking his fortune in the gold-rush, then apparently branching out into the service industry. The ban was imposed after he failed to report for military service, and not cancelled despite an appeal to royalty in 1901, so he returned to the US with his newly pregnant wife bearing Don's Dad, Fred. If the ban had been cancelled, then it's possible that Friedrich would have stayed in Germany and........ the rest is history.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/decree-banishing-trump-s-grandfather-from-germany-uncovered-1.2876969

RobertKK

As expected, reports today and backed up by Kellyanne Conway. Trump will not pursue Clinton investigations.

oscarBravo

RobertKK wrote: »

As expected, reports today and backed up by Kellyanne Conway. Trump will not pursue Clinton investigations.

Wow. Most politicians wait until they've actually taken office before abandoning their campaign promises wholesale.

alastair

oscarBravo wrote: »

Wow. Most politicians wait until they've actually taken office before abandoning their campaign promises wholesale.

What an utterly unsurprising surprise!

RobertKK

oscarBravo wrote: »

Wow. Most politicians wait until they've actually taken office before abandoning their campaign promises wholesale.

It was the most expected thing ever. All one had to do was look at the Republican primaries and how Trump went after his main rivals.
Once disposed of, no need to care or attack, they are no longer the issue.
He now has far bigger things to deal with than the Clintons.

If the voters who shouted 'lock her up' could not see this, then they did not pay close enough attention to how Trump dealt with rivals - throw everything including the kitchen sink, then nothing when the person is gone.
Like how he attacked Ted Cruz and even trying to implicate his father in the JFK assassination :pac:
That said it lead to what I think was one of the most funniest moments in the entire election process - Ted Cruz at the Republican convention.

TheOven

RobertKK wrote: »

If the voters who shouted 'lock her up' could not see this, then they did not pay close enough attention to how Trump dealt with rivals - throw everything including the kitchen sink, then nothing when the person is gone.

I feel like this could be a theme.

PopePalpatine

TheOven wrote: »

I feel like this could be a theme.

Yep, the Rust Belt will have to prepare for their continued stagnation.

Billy86

Trump rolls back on yet another campaign claim; won't be looking to prosecute Hillary Clinton.

Those surrounding him are just starting to come out and say, 'yeah voters, we lied to you... and will continue to lie but thanks for the vote or whatever'.

“Look, I think he's thinking of many different things as he prepares to become the president of the United States, and things that sound like the campaign are not among them,” Conway said Tuesday.

It's beginning to get entertaining watching the alt right section of Trump's fan base try to justify all of this to themselves.

Lock who up? :pac:

alastair

Billy86 wrote: »

Trump rolls back on yet another campaign claim; won't be looking to prosecute Hillary Clinton.

Those surrounding him are just starting to come out and say, 'yeah voters, we lied to you... and will continue to lie but thanks for the vote or whatever'.


It's beginning to get entertaining watching the alt right section of Trump's fan base try to justify all of this to themselves.

Lock who up? :pac:

It's not happy campers on the Breibart comments: http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/11/22/kellyanne-conway-confirms-trump-doesnt-wish-to-pursue-hillary-charges/

Nody

Billy86 wrote: »

Lock who up? :pac:

Aah but FBI will prosecute her instead; you just wait and see!!1 It's all about the long game, you see if Trump says he'd do it Obama would pardon her so it's all part of Trump's long term plan (we all know he's very good with long term plans).

Billy86

Nody wrote: »

Aah but FBI will prosecute her instead; you just wait and see!!1 It's all about the long game, you see if Trump says he'd do it Obama would pardon her so it's all part of Trump's long term plan (we all know he's very good with long term plans).

Literally the third comment on the Breitbart page linked to above... they're a predictable lot, if nothing else!

Billy86

Interesting... Warren Buffet has made a huge amount - $4,300,000,000 - off of Trump's win. Why?

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/22/warren-buffett-sees-7-billion-dollar-boom-on-donald-trump-win.html

The multibillionaire head of Berkshire Hathaway has seen his investment portfolio explode in the days since Trump's stunning upset Nov. 8.

Buffett has benefited particularly well from the myriad financial holdings he holds in the company's portfolio. Bank stocks have surged since Trump's win, on anticipation of higher rates and less regulation of Wall Street.

Another one for Trump fans to try contorting their brains around. Crooked Who Again? :pac:

20Cent

Now he's having second thoughts about climate change and pulling out of the Paris agreement.

What will be the breaking point for his supporters.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/us/politics/donald-trump-visit.html

Nody

20Cent wrote: »

What will be the breaking point for his supporters.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/us/politics/donald-trump-visit.html

Depends who you call his supporters in general but I'd guess either touching the gun laws OR more liberal abortion laws; anything else can be explained away.

Overheal

oscarBravo wrote: »

Wow. Most politicians wait until they've actually taken office before abandoning their campaign promises wholesale.

Maybe if he very carefully burns enough bridges and scares enough people and sparks enough white supremacy movements, the electoral college will say "ya know what? **** that guy"

aloyisious

Looking back at Don's moves over the campaign, I have to credit him with an excellent propaganda war against both HRC and the Republicans elders. He got her derailed by making her a target for unhappy voters, playing them with repetitive chanting. He played the republican elders for fools and won, getting the party nomination from them and playing the voters off each other as well.

All the publicity he got from the media for free, just by coming out with what were attention-seeking statements which he knew they would print and publish all to his benefit. Looking back at the 3AM tweets, they were part of it, released during the quiet hours while he knew people were tweeting. All the stuff got people hot and bothered, using social media to repeat his words. Last night's "Farage would make an excellent ambassador" was a perfect use of social media, annoy the UK and get free publicity.

I expect him to follow through with his US industry plans though, cos that is where money lies and he is a businessman. I don't know how but I expect him to keep Mike Pence as a weapon controlled by his advisers. He'll do enough to keep a large core of voters happy at any given time, even if he break's with others over position changes, cos he'll get them back with more duping and breaking with some others.

Count Dooku

Billy86 wrote: »

Trump rolls back on yet another campaign claim; won't be looking to prosecute Hillary Clinton.

If he will try to prosecute, then liberals will start "unfit to be jailed" campaign

she got what she deserved on election night

alastair

Count Dooku wrote: »

she got what she deserved on election night

The most votes of any candidate.

She's looking pretty healthy for someone you reckon was 'poisoned by Putin'.

Christy42

Count Dooku wrote: »

If he will try to prosecute, then liberals will start "unfit to be jailed" campaign

she got what she deserved on election night

Back pedalling at the speed of light.

If she broke the law she should be prosecuted. If you know Trump was in fact serious about the law and order bull he was spouting in the campaign.

The way things stand Hillary will be seen as innocent by the History books and Donald as corrupt (for Trump university if nothing else) by history books. The Americans just voted for the corrupt one (see Nixon).

Count Dooku

alastair wrote: »

The most votes of any candidate.

as soon as it below 50% , it really doesn't matter

alastair wrote: »

She's looking pretty healthy for someone you reckon was 'poisoned by Putin'.

Everything depends from make-up
Especially when making staged photo by woman, who will later lie about death threats

Count Dooku

Christy42 wrote: »

Back pedalling at the speed of light.

If she broke the law she should be prosecuted. If you know Trump was in fact serious about the law and order bull he was spouting in the campaign.

She lost for her lies and she punished by losing to the worst possible candidate USA ever had
Say thanks to her campaign that people would believe to macedonian news rather than pro-Clinton US MSM

alastair

Count Dooku wrote: »

as soon as it below 50% , it really doesn't matter


Everything depends from make-up
Especially when making staged photo by woman, who will later lie about death threats

50% or any other percentage - she got more votes than any other candidate. She looks perfectly healthy to me. The photo wasn't staged, and the woman didn't lie about getting death threats. Anything else you'd like to concoct a conspiracy theory about?

alastair

Count Dooku wrote: »

She lost for her lies and she punished by losing to the worst possible candidate USA ever had
Say thanks to her campaign that people would believe to macedonian news rather than pro-Clinton US MSM

These would be the people who chose to vote for her, more than the other candidates?

Christy42

Count Dooku wrote: »

She lost for her lies and she punished by losing to the worst possible candidate USA ever had
Say thanks to her campaign that people would believe to macedonian news rather than pro-Clinton US MSM

Lock her up was a lie. Like everything else he said for your support. He knew he had nothing to prosecute her on when he had crowds chanting it at him. He knew he was never going to do that or most of what he said but it didn't matter as he wanted the white house.

Now his supporters are going full double think and sure lock her up didn't mean lock her up. Anything to ensure their hero isn't shown to be a fraud.

Do you no longer believe that she is a criminal? You say she has been punished enough but if she is a criminal she hasn't. Is it one rule for the political class from Trump and his supporters then? If she isn't a criminal then there was no need for punishment. Your position is illogical.

Trump stood there in front of crowds cheering for him to lock her up and saying that she was corrupt and he happily encouraged knowing it was all a lie but it was fine as lock her up won him votes. The truth would not and so was pointless.

20Cent

Lock her up was such nonsense. Trump doesn't seem to even know what the president can and cannot do. He does admire authoritarian leaders but I think he's in for a shock when he realises how difficult making changes will be.

Billy86

Count Dooku wrote: »

She lost for her lies and she punished by losing to the worst possible candidate USA ever had
Say thanks to her campaign that people would believe to macedonian news rather than pro-Clinton US MSM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but on the subject of news sources were you one of the people talking about "paid protestors" only a few weeks ago?

Billy86

Count Dooku wrote: »

If he will try to prosecute, then liberals will start "unfit to be jailed" campaign

she got what she deserved on election night

Thank you for proving my point.

And by the way, now that the election is over and Trump won... what do you expect from his presidency? As in what do you want him to enact, change and accomplish between now and 2020?

Count Dooku

alastair wrote: »

50% or any other percentage - she got more votes than any other candidate. She looks perfectly healthy to me. The photo wasn't staged, and the woman didn't lie about getting death threats. Anything else you'd like to concoct a conspiracy theory about?

Why woman didn't report to police?
Clinton supporters love to make false claims
https://www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorhernandez/muslim-woman-made-up-story-about-being-attacked-by-trump-sup?utm_term=.gdqj0O32l#.uaBJ3w1Bp

Regarding conspiracy theories - Clinton camp already become laughing stock after Trumps CT about HRC health and Anthony Weiner was reading HRC emails turned to be truth

Count Dooku

alastair wrote: »

These would be the people who chose to vote for her, more than the other candidates?

Say thanks to massive propaganda when nearly all US MSM were endorsing Hillary

godtabh

Has this been discussed? Evidence of rigged votes in key states which if true would totally swing the results. Not sure if its anything more than a conspiracy theory.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/us-election-2016/strong-evidence-election-was-rigged-against-clinton-in-key-states-35238109.html

RobertKK

So some on the Democrat side are now saying the election was rigged.
Lawyers in Michigan say the electronic voting machines showed a 7% less vote for Hillary than voting areas in the state that does not using such voting machines.
They claim Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania were rigged and have contacted John Podesta to look into it.
Huma Abedin's sister has also made claims the election was rigged.

Hillary Clinton said during the debates that she found it horrific if the election result was not accepted. It is believed she will not look to have the result questioned.

Count Dooku

Christy42 wrote: »

Lock her up was a lie. Like everything else he said for your support. He knew he had nothing to prosecute her on when he had crowds chanting it at him. He knew he was never going to do that or most of what he said but it didn't matter as he wanted the white house.

Now his supporters are going full double think and sure lock her up didn't mean lock her up. Anything to ensure their hero isn't shown to be a fraud.

Do you no longer believe that she is a criminal? You say she has been punished enough but if she is a criminal she hasn't. Is it one rule for the political class from Trump and his supporters then? If she isn't a criminal then there was no need for punishment. Your position is illogical.

Trump stood there in front of crowds cheering for him to lock her up and saying that she was corrupt and he happily encouraged knowing it was all a lie but it was fine as lock her up won him votes. The truth would not and so was pointless.

She is still under investigation for selling Department of state favors to Clinton Foundation donors. No need to do anything for Trump there
And she punished for her lies when Anthony Weiner exposed to FBI that he was reading Hillary emails
Do you remember this "CT"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mWYUDhJmDs

alastair

Count Dooku wrote: »

Say thanks to massive propaganda when nearly all US MSM were endorsing Hillary

Ah, back to the conspiracies.

There wasn't any massive propaganda. People voted the way they chose to.

alastair

Count Dooku wrote: »

She is still under investigation for selling Department of state favors to Clinton Foundation donors. No need to do anything for Trump there
And she punished for her lies when Anthony Weiner exposed to FBI that he was reading Hillary emails
Do you remember this "CT"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mWYUDhJmDs

Any evidence of an investigation into the Clinton Foundation?

Anthony Weiner never said he read any Hillary emails.

B0jangles

RobertKK wrote: »

So some on the Democrat side are now saying the election was rigged.
Lawyers in Michigan say the electronic voting machines showed a 7% less vote for Hillary than voting areas in the state that does not using such voting machines.
They claim Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania were rigged and have contacted John Podesta to look into it.
Huma Abedin's sister has also made claims the election was rigged.

Hillary Clinton said during the debates that she found it horrific if the election result was not accepted. It is believed she will not look to have the result questioned.

Ah there you are Robert!

https://twitter.com/PostRoz/status/800694688844017664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

I'm assuming you're going to have a LOT to say about how appalling this is, given how often you cited Saudi donations to the Clinton Foundation as evidence of some kind of corruption?

alastair

Count Dooku wrote: »

Why woman didn't report to police?

Because she has more sense than to pay any heed to idiots on Facebook?

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Christy42

Count Dooku wrote: »

Why woman didn't report to police?
Clinton supporters love to make false claims
https://www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorhernandez/muslim-woman-made-up-story-about-being-attacked-by-trump-sup?utm_term=.gdqj0O32l#.uaBJ3w1Bp

Regarding conspiracy theories - Clinton camp already become laughing stock after Trumps CT about HRC health and Anthony Weiner was reading HRC emails turned to be truth

Well sone women did make some accusations recently. The public made the accused president so maybe not too many will be coming out in future in fear of their attackers becoming president.

That was a joke. On a more serious note women are frequently called liars and treated by the public in the absence of a conviction (some people can't get the logic of not being found guilty is not the same as the woman being found guilty of lying, it says that either the woman is lying or there was not enough evidence)

There is still plenty of stigma attached to being attacked and going through a court case must be quite tough. Added in the fact that it is very hard to prove sexual misconduct (who can prove beyond reasonable doubt they did not say yes) means there is little benefit as it stands for women to come forward.

aloyisious

RobertKK wrote: »

So some on the Democrat side are now saying the election was rigged.
Lawyers in Michigan say the electronic voting machines showed a 7% less vote for Hillary than voting areas in the state that does not using such voting machines.
They claim Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania were rigged and have contacted John Podesta to look into it.
Huma Abedin's sister has also made claims the election was rigged.

Hillary Clinton said during the debates that she found it horrific if the election result was not accepted. It is believed she will not look to have the result questioned.

In respect of accepting the validity of the vote result and a Trump presidency, are you glad that Hillary is taking that version of democracy?

Count Dooku

alastair wrote: »

Ah, back to the conspiracies.

There wasn't any massive propaganda.

I see
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/790179415049302016

alastair

Count Dooku wrote: »

I see
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/790179415049302016

Where's the propaganda?

Billy86

Permabear wrote: »

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Bit of trivia: The Texas Board of Education dictates the textbooks for most of the US due to it having the states' size, and has a well known conservative, Christian fundamentalist (their words, not mine) agenda that it pushes strongly issues such as downplaying the role of slavery in the US, no mention of the KKK or Jim Crow laws, misrepresenting the history of religion in the US, have also had the likes of Thomas Jefferson downplayed in favour of Thomas Aquinas, have even previously had the New Deal removed from the timeline of important events in US history taught to school children, and leaders (elected privately) have described as "a load of hooey" and have tried to use gaps in the fossil record as evidence of new earth creationism, which many of them ascribe to.

Here is a quote from their chairman in 2009: "The way I evaluate textbooks is first I see how they cover Christianity and Israel... then I see how they treat Ronald Reagan -- he needs to get credit for saving the world from communism and for the good economy over the last 20 years because he lowered taxes."

And again, these guys decide many of the school textbooks for the entire USA.

And here is how the GOP views critical thinking, while we're on the subject of uninformed voters and fake news playing such a large role in this election:

Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority

Billy86

alastair wrote: »

Where's the propaganda?

It's strange how some Trump fans are still obsessed with the election that happened over two weeks ago, rather than what they want to see come next now that their candidate won it. You'd almost swear as if they don't know what they want, and essentially stand for nothing due to their complete inability to actually articulate what it is they expect from Trump's presidency over the next few years, and are just waiting for their next cue from the likes of Breitbart in terms of being told what to say.

People have asked repeatedly, and absolute credit to the (very) few Trump fans who have given a response, but they are in the serious minority while the others continue still obsess over an election that has long since passed. It's hardly surprising that fake news played such a large role, in light of this.

FatherTed

Count Dooku wrote: »

If he will try to prosecute, then liberals will start "unfit to be jailed" campaign

she got what she deserved on election night

Mods, isn't this against the Forum charter? e.g. Pointless photo adds nothing to thread.

K-9

FatherTed wrote: »

Mods, isn't this against the Forum charter? e.g. Pointless photo adds nothing to thread.

Report the post(s) and we'll look into it.

On that note, this is supposed to be a political discussion forum, not a CT one. The site has a separate forum for conspiracy theories.

Count Dooku

alastair wrote: »

Where's the propaganda?

FYI

propaganda - information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.

There is the special thread where anti-Trump bias have been already discussed

Permabear

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alastair

Count Dooku wrote: »

FYI
There is the special thread where anti-Trump bias have been already discussed

The endorsement of any papers for one candidate or another doesn't imply any bias or misleading information in any of those papers.
There was no propaganda campaign on behalf of Hillary, and Trump's negative press coverage was entirely the creation of one Donald Trump.