2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

Christy42

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This guy on Twitter seems to have uncovered evidence in the latest DNC leak which proves that the DNC were given secret access to changing the voter registration lists, which would confirm Sanders supporters in Arizona and New York claiming to have mysteriously disappeared from the party's list when trying to vote in closed primaries:

(Click on the tweet to see the full thread, it's the replies which explain in detail how the system operated)

https://twitter.com/whatstherukkus/status/776078139713814528

Either I can't see the full document or there is 0 evidence of this

Overheal

We just found this election's Joe The Plumber: the woman who shut up Donald Trump

http://tinyurl.com/h2mq2w6

Rjd2

Suryavarman wrote: »

Texas.

Hold up....

Not saying you are making it up whatsoever, but why do you say that?

Texas I always assumed would vote republican no matter how repugnant Trump is.

Main reason I am asking is Democrats are 10/1 to win that state, worth a tenner?:o

{not trolling btw, just curious)

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/texas

Overheal

Rjd2 wrote: »

Hold up....

Not saying you are making it up whatsoever, but why do you say that?

Texas I always assumed would vote republican no matter how repugnant Trump is.

Main reason I am asking is Democrats are 10/1 to win that state, worth a tenner?:o

{not trolling btw, just curious)

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/texas

The metro areas of Texas are pretty much all blue at this point. I can't remember which city has been the holdout

Brian?

Overheal wrote: »

The metro areas of Texas are pretty much all blue at this point. I can't remember which city has been the holdout

Dallas?

AbusesToilets

How are North Carolina and Virginia looking this go around?

Overheal

AbusesToilets wrote: »

How are North Carolina and Virginia looking this go around?

about that...

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/nc-republican-who-voted-for-bathroom-bill-panics-as-poll-numbers-plunge/

conditioned games

Some more good news with the recent batch of poll numbers released are showing Trump winning Florida, Ohio, Nevada and Colorado and even Maine is now a possibility. While the poll averages are including polls back in June all the momentum appears to be with Trump which is good.

Calina

conditioned games wrote: »

Some more good news with the recent batch of poll numbers released are showing Trump winning Florida, Ohio, Nevada and Colorado and even Maine is now a possibility. While the poll averages are including polls back in June all the momentum appears to be with Trump which is good.

No it is not.

TheDoctor

Its Trumps to lose at this stage though no doubt he'll give it a good go.

Permabear

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Least Lower Bound

Akrasia

This election is totally farcical.

The man, who illegally used charity funds to buy a 6 foot tall portrait of himself is seen as the 'honest' candidate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-clue-to-the-whereabouts-of-the-6-foot-tall-portrait-of-donald-trump/2016/09/14/ae65db82-7a8f-11e6-ac8e-cf8e0dd91dc7_story.html

conditioned games

What is actually farcical has been the last 8 years of Barack Obama. America is now a mess, there has been a constant transfer of wealth from the middle class to the upper wealthy elite that all started with Bush and got considerably worse under Obama. Trump can do or say pretty much anything now and walk it from here. The current establishment have only been interested in looking after their own special interest groups while talking down to the ordinary person. The fight back is well and truly on for the average person which is beautiful to see.

Atlantis50

Hillary Clinton will be declared the winner of the first debate if she gets through it without collapsing or having a coughing fit.

Trump is currently on a roll but he'll probably blow it in the first debate.

Still, likely to be a very close election with Clinton probably narrowly shading it.

TheDoctor

Trump will win the first debate if it turns into a shouting match.

Clinton will win if its kept to a policy discussion (and if she doesn't collapse)

RobertKK

I think Trump could win the first debate.
There are things that go beyond what is said - charisma, Trump has charisma whether one likes him or not, Hillary doesn't have this in my opinion.
Charisma can take a person a long way when there are deficiencies in other areas.
Hillary will have to defend her record as secretary of state, Obama may say she is the most qualified person ever for the job, but her record would say different given the results of certain things she supported, she has the anti-Midas touch.
Both will play on fears.

Both have a lot to lose, but the debates could be riskier for Hillary than for Trump.
I expect Wikileaks will be playing a role in the debates too. Perfect timing for more revelations about Hillary, given Assange hates her.

RobertKK

A report today says Trump would like Peter Thiel to be his supreme court nominee.

TheDoctor

A self proclaimed Libertarian Conservative and a Catholic.

Back to the distant past we go.

Calina

RobertKK wrote: »

A report today says Trump would like Peter Thiel to be his supreme court nominee.

Not an acceptable candidate.

Amerika

RobertKK wrote: »

A report today says Trump would like Peter Thiel to be his supreme court nominee.

Trump’s press secretary, Hope Hicks, denied that Thiel had been offered a seat on the Supreme Court or that the campaign was discussing the idea. “There is absolutely no truth to this whatsoever,” she told HuffPost.

oscarBravo

Well, if Hope Hicks says something, I guess it's an incontrovertible fact.

Amerika

oscarBravo wrote: »

Well, if Hope Hicks says something, I guess it's an incontrovertible fact.

Are you insinuating she’s lying, just because she's part of the Trump campaign? Odd, I thought that was Hillary's campaign managers' job.

Hey, I have a bunch of bizarre rumors I’ve heard about Hillary that I could list. Where should I start? :rolleyes:

oscarBravo

Amerika wrote: »

Are you insinuating she’s lying, just because she's part of the Trump campaign?

Well, she has certainly demonstrated an extremely tenuous relationship with facts in the past. The overall impression I get of her is that she believes that things are true because she wants them to be, not because of any, y'know, evidence or whatever.

Overheal

Nobody told Thiel that..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-peter-thiel-supreme-court_us_57d80d57e4b09d7a687f9b03

Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

Nobody told Thiel that..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-peter-thiel-supreme-court_us_57d80d57e4b09d7a687f9b03

Well, if it came from the friend of a friend of a friend, then its gotta be true, right?

I particularly like the Editor's Note at the bottom of the ‘article.’ No bias at the Huffington Post, eh?

Editor’s note: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S.

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

Well, if it came from the friend of a friend of a friend, then its gotta be true, right?

I particularly like the Editor's Note at the bottom of the ‘article.’ No bias at the Huffington Post, eh?

Editor’s note: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S.

That's just factual reporting. Huffington Post announced early this year they would start including reminders about Donald Trumps record in their reporting in response to his habit of saying deplorable things and then denying he never said them, as if nobody had heard of the Internet or DVR.

http://www.poynter.org/2016/why-every-huffpost-article-about-donald-trump-calls-him-a-liar/394021/

Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

That's just factual reporting. Huffington Post announced early this year they would start including reminders about Donald Trumps record in their reporting in response to his habit of saying deplorable things and then denying he never said them, as if nobody had heard of the Internet or DVR.

http://www.poynter.org/2016/why-every-huffpost-article-about-donald-trump-calls-him-a-liar/394021/

Funny… I looked at a couple articles written about Hillary Clinton at the Huffington Post, and checked for a similar Editor’s Note about some of the unsavory things Clinton has said and done. Hmmm… NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH. What I did see though were several adds to Support Hillary Clinton and Stop Donald Trump.

I think it is pretty safe to say at this point that the Huffington Post is the Daily Mirror's US equivalent... or maybe the Daily Sport.

Overheal

Trumps latest attempt at cooing the public is the release of a "long form" medical note.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/here-is-the-letter-from-donald-trumps-doctor-weve-been-waiting-for/

Of course, if Hillary had done this he would have pulled the riot act, saying that's not enough information from her, what is she hiding, I have investigators in Hawaii they'll reveal amazing things they're finding amazing things etc. and the wild speculation would continue.

So let's apply the same to him.

Taking the same standard as Hillary health speculation, it's noteworthy that Crestor aka. Rosuvastatin is used to treat PERIPHERAL ARTERY DISEASE, STROKE, HEART ATTACK, and ACUTE CORONARY SYNDROME. What isn't he telling us? He seems to suffer from regular and acute bouts of memory loss too:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jul/06/17-things-donald-trump-said-and-then-denied-saying/

You heard that right: Mike "Condoms are too liberal" Pence is a 70 year old stroke risk away from being the POTUS.

RobertKK

New Iowa poll from Monmouth University show Trump surging ahead in that state.

Trump 45%
Clinton 37%

Chips Lovell

Trump campaign finally acknowledges that president Obama was born in the US. That took a while. Oddly, he refused to answer the question one way or another a few hours later.

ECO_Mental

I see now that Trumps son is saying that they wont release his Tax returns because it will be too confusing for the electorate this close to the election??????

http://time.com/money/4495037/donald-trump-release-tax-returns/


So they are saying that they don't want the bad news of all his shady dealings. I am assuming and I cant be proven wrong (because we don't have any tax returns) that the Russians, Putin etc are bankrolling him also his debt is being held by Russian Oligarchs and Arab princes, maybe an African dictator thrown in there as well. Also he is only worth €50 million not €5 billion.

Can anybody of the Trump brigade on here show me evidence that any of the above is not true.....and can you explain why its ok for Hillary to have 30 years of tax returns out there and its totally acceptable for the Donald not?

RobertKK

ECO_Mental wrote: »

I see now that Trumps son is saying that they wont release his Tax returns because it will be too confusing for the electorate this close to the election??????

http://time.com/money/4495037/donald-trump-release-tax-returns/


So they are saying that they don't want the bad news of all his shady dealings. I am assuming and I cant be proven wrong (because we don't have any tax returns) that the Russians, Putin etc are bankrolling him also his debt is being held by Russian Oligarchs and Arab princes, maybe an African dictator thrown in there as well. Also he is only worth €50 million not €5 billion.

Can anybody of the Trump brigade on here show me evidence that any of the above is not true.....and can you explain why its ok for Hillary to have 30 years of tax returns out there and its totally acceptable for the Donald not?

I watched some of Clinton's cash on YouTube. The Clintons have their foundation for all their dirty cash.
It showed Bill praising Paul Kagame about how great he is. I have to watch the rest of Clinton's cash, but the Clintons get into bed with war criminals.
mobile.nytimes.com/2015/07/20/opinion/war-crimes-and-rwandan-realities.html

oscarBravo

RobertKK wrote: »

The Clintons have their foundation for all their dirty cash.

Hang on. The Clinton Foundation, for all it's being attacked for spending its own money instead of giving it to other charities, does actual charitable work.

The Trump Foundation spends tens of thousands of dollars to buy portraits of Donald Trump for Donald Trump.

Why aren't you upset about the latter?

RobertKK

I was watching Jill Stein on Fox News last night.
She was asked if she was the Ralph Nader of this election as she takes away votes from the democrats, and that this could elect Trump.
She said she didn't like either and would worry about Hillary Clinton having access to nuclear bombs given her record and how she wants to intensify the war in Syria.

B0jangles

Jill Stein also thinks that the Russian invasion of Crimea is no big deal, neither are Russian human rights abuses, the truth is totally in the middle maaaaaan...

https://twitter.com/polly/status/776099209183453184/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

So... anything to say about the latest revelations about the Trump Foundation's extremely shady behaviour?

conditioned games

B0jangles wrote: »

Jill Stein also thinks that the Russian invasion of Crimea is no big deal, neither are Russian human rights abuses, the truth is totally in the middle maaaaaan...

https://twitter.com/polly/status/776099209183453184/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

So... anything to say about the latest revelations about the Trump Foundation's extremely shady behaviour?

Shot yourself in the foot with that link. Here we have a prominent US political figure talking about the US and CIA supported coup and illegal overthrow of a democratically elected government in the Ukraine. I thought we in the west through the controlled western media was to pretend this never happened.

She says the US has lots of human rights issues which again is true. She also talks about sitting down and talking with dialogue & diplomacy instead of creating a world that's going to go up in flames. Give this person a standing ovation. Compare that to Obama and Clinton trying to blame Russia for everything making up false allegations as they go along. Jill Stein has earned a lot of respect from that speech.

Amerika

Dateline Nottingham... There's a new sheriff in town and she goes by the name of Hillary Rotten Clinton.

Robs from the poor and gives to herself. Clinton’s campaign is stealing from her poorest supporters by repeatedly overcharging them after they make a one-time small donation through her official campaign website. Never over $100 because then banks would then be obligated to investigate the fraud. A tactic often utilized by seedy pornography companies. And her campaign refuses to refund their wrongdoings when people complain.

Clinton’s New Colossus?

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
So that I may steal from them, galore.

Is there nothing so incorrigible, so corrupt, so wrong, that will get people to change their minds about this woman?


http://observer.com/2016/09/exclusive-hillary-clinton-campaign-systematically-overcharging-poorest-donors/

Amerika

ECO_Mental wrote: »

I see now that Trumps son is saying that they wont release his Tax returns because it will be too confusing for the electorate this close to the election??????

http://time.com/money/4495037/donald-trump-release-tax-returns/


So they are saying that they don't want the bad news of all his shady dealings. I am assuming and I cant be proven wrong (because we don't have any tax returns) that the Russians, Putin etc are bankrolling him also his debt is being held by Russian Oligarchs and Arab princes, maybe an African dictator thrown in there as well. Also he is only worth €50 million not €5 billion.

Can anybody of the Trump brigade on here show me evidence that any of the above is not true.....and can you explain why its ok for Hillary to have 30 years of tax returns out there and its totally acceptable for the Donald not?

Guilty until proven innocent? The new America?

Amerika

oscarBravo wrote: »

Hang on. The Clinton Foundation, for all it's being attacked for spending its own money instead of giving it to other charities, does actual charitable work.

The Trump Foundation spends tens of thousands of dollars to buy portraits of Donald Trump for Donald Trump.

Why aren't you upset about the latter?

What political favors did trump sell, while being a government official sworn to be a servant of the people, to elicit those donations to his foundation?

B0jangles

conditioned games wrote: »

Shot yourself in the foot with that link. Here we have a prominent US political figure talking about the US and CIA supported coup and illegal overthrow of a democratically elected government in the Ukraine. I thought we in the west through the controlled western media was to pretend this never happened.

She says the US has lots of human rights issues which again is true. She also talks about sitting down and talking with dialogue & diplomacy instead of creating a world that's going to go up in flames. Give this person a standing ovation. Compare that to Obama and Clinton trying to blame Russia for everything making up false allegations as they go along. Jill Stein has earned a lot of respect from that speech.

Paul Manafort, is that you?

conditioned games

ECO_Mental wrote: »

I see now that Trumps son is saying that they wont release his Tax returns because it will be too confusing for the electorate this close to the election??????

http://time.com/money/4495037/donald-trump-release-tax-returns/


So they are saying that they don't want the bad news of all his shady dealings. I am assuming and I cant be proven wrong (because we don't have any tax returns) that the Russians, Putin etc are bankrolling him also his debt is being held by Russian Oligarchs and Arab princes, maybe an African dictator thrown in there as well. Also he is only worth 50 million not 5 billion.

Can anybody of the Trump brigade on here show me evidence that any of the above is not true.....and can you explain why its ok for Hillary to have 30 years of tax returns out there and its totally acceptable for the Donald not?

I'm surprised you didn't also try to say Trump is been bank rolled by Chinese pottery masons and Brazilian jiu jitsu's and has a net worth of minus 5 billion. Now you are looking for someone to prove your made up accusations are false?

Trump should release his tax returns, however the message his son said was that the 12,000 page tax return would only detract from the political message Trump is saying which is true.

B0jangles

Amerika wrote: »

Guilty until proven innocent? The new America?

Hardly new, Hilary Clinton has been exhaustively investigated for 25 years, convicted of nothing but is somehow STILL a big ol' corrupt liar.

Does. Not. Compute.

B0jangles

conditioned games wrote: »

I'm surprised you didn't also try to say Trump is been bank rolled by Chinese pottery masons and Brazilian jiu jitsu's and has a net worth of minus 5 billion. Now you are looking for someone to prove your made up accusations are false?

Trump should release his tax returns, however the message his son said was that the 12,000 page tax return would only detract from the political message Trump is saying which is true.

The Washington Post has done a tally of the many, many excuses Trump and his people have given for why he hasn't released his taxes:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2016/09/15/a-running-tally-of-trumps-many-excuses-for-why-he-wont-release-his-tax-returns/

Trump: “I’m being audited … so I can’t.” (See next section.) (Repeatedly since February)

Trump: “There’s nothing to learn from them.” (Fact checkers say this is false.) (February, February, May, May)

Trump: “Mitt Romney looked like a fool when he delayed and delayed and delayed and … didn’t file until a month and a half before the election and it cost him big league.” (February, July)

Trump: His tax rate is “none of your business.” (May)

Paul Manafort, former campaign chairman: American people “wouldn’t understand them.” (May)

Manafort: The only people who want them “are the people who want to defeat him.” (May)

Trump: “I don’t think anybody cares,” which is false. (May, September)

Eric Trump, son: Would be “foolish” to release; “you would have a bunch of people who know nothing about taxes trying to look through and trying to come up with assumptions on things that they know nothing about.” (August)

Mike Pence, vice-presidential nominee who released his tax returns: They’re a “distraction.” (September)

Donald Trump Jr.: “Would detract from (his dad’s) main message” (September)

Kellyanne Conway, campaign manager: “I just can’t find where this is a burning issue to most of the Americans.” (September)

Jeffrey Lord, commentator: Tax returns are “a political gimmick, a gotcha … Political opponents are going to go through there and look to make issues out of things.” (September)

2011: Said he would release tax returns after President Obama released his long-form birth certificate

2014: Said he would “absolutely” release returns “if I decide to run for office.”

2015: “I would release tax returns. … Nobody knows the tax return world better than me.”

2015: Said he would release tax returns when “we find out the true story on Hillary’s emails.”

January: Said he was ready to disclose his “very big … very beautiful” returns.

February: Said he would release returns “probably over the next few months.”

February: “I will absolutely give my return, but I’m being audited now for two or three [years’ worth] now so I can’t.”

February: Responding to claims he has a “bombshell” in his taxes,” Trump said: “We’ll make a determination over the next couple of months. It’s very complicated.”
May: Said he fights “very hard to pay as little tax as possible.”

May: Will “release my tax returns when audit is complete, not after election!”

July: Manafort: “Mr. Trump has said that his taxes are under audit and he will not be releasing them.”

July: “I haven’t had much pressure (to release tax returns). I’ll be honest, most people don’t care.”

September: Trump: “When the audit is complete I will release my returns. I have no problem with it. It doesn’t matter.”

Black Swan

Paul Ryan Republican Speaker of the House regarding Donald Trump's tax returns: "I released mine. I think he should release his." Of course Trump will not release any of his tax returns before 8 November 2016 for fear of what they say about his net worth, taxes he actually pays, and income from global investments.

Christy42

B0jangles wrote: »

The Washington Post has done a tally of the many, many excuses Trump and his people have given for why he hasn't released his taxes:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2016/09/15/a-running-tally-of-trumps-many-excuses-for-why-he-wont-release-his-tax-returns/

Hilarious that many feel the Democrat side calling Trump supporters idiots drives people towards Trump when you have several quotes here saying people won't understand them (presumably no one outside of the Trump camp are qualified to give an opinion on what is in tax returns).

InTheTrees

This audit excuse is nonsense. If it's such a problem he can release last years.

Amerika

Christy42 wrote: »

Hilarious that many feel the Democrat side calling Trump supporters idiots drives people towards Trump when you have several quotes here saying people won't understand them (presumably no one outside of the Trump camp are qualified to give an opinion on what is in tax returns).

Many people here have problems understanding the IRS Form 1040EZ, which is the simplest of the three tax forms you can use to file your federal income taxes. Just saying...

oscarBravo

Amerika wrote: »

Guilty until proven innocent? The new America?

Says the man who just posted an article from a publication run by Trump's son-in-law that says:

Hillary Clinton’s campaign is stealing from her poorest supporters by purposefully and repeatedly overcharging them...

The article repeatedly makes this claim of deliberate overcharging, but never once offers any evidence for it.

RobertKK

Thing is the polls are not showing the tax returns is affecting Trump.
They show the trend is towards Trump.
Polls show Trump has honesty and trustworthy figures around 50%, While Hillary is at 35%, and that was before the pneumonia cover up.

Currently the swing states are moving towards Trump.

Silly things like Trump on the Jimmy Fallon show and allowing Fallon to mess up his hair is good for Trump, it shows a fun side by allowing his rather long hair to be tossed about.
Hillary Clinton is a bit too Stepford wife in comparison. She wants everything managed too much, which then leads to the events at the weekend.
The Stepford wife thing even goes as far as her being with Bill despite the rumours he is still a serial womaniser. It says power is more important to her than what is going on in her personal life.