2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

Billy86

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/new/

A quick glance into the hardcore Trump fanbase's mindset and why I have a worrying feeling we will see a violent backlash come November 9th when he likely falls well short of 200 EC votes, and quite possibly fails to even break 100.

Pro Hoc Vice

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Polls still tight nationwide
Some have trump drawing ,some ahead ,and most have Hilary leading by an average of 5pts
Not over.

What?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html#polls

The only tie is LA times which can be manipulated.

Christy42

philstar wrote: »

can someone please explain to me in a nutshell why is there so much hostility towards Hillary Clinton, she's seems like a good egg to me

She is a Democrat. In other campaigns you can argue for the Republican candidate and argue they should be president. You can't do that for Trump. You can't argue on a any serious basis that he is a good choice for president so the only option for the Republican side of the debate is all out attack.

oik

It's no wonder Trump has such a poor politifact rating when they go to work on him like this. Clearly the essence of his point not who made the ad but what Michelle Obama said about her.




If it's ambiguous then you can't say it's false. And they're not that ambiguous anyway.

"My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere."

Clearly her vision of the world involves open borders.

KingBrian2

Christy42 wrote: »

She is a Democrat. In other campaigns you can argue for the Republican candidate and argue they should be president. You can't do that for Trump. You can't argue on a any serious basis that he is a good choice for president so the only option for the Republican side of the debate is all out attack.

Well I disagree a lot of Americans are disillusioned and angry. There not happy with the current corrupt lot in Washington and they are right. America is going further and further to the right as evidence by how he resonates across the land and beyond. The stadiums hot a lot of people and he is very warm towards those people. Talking about making America Great again. A noble goal.

K-9

Mod:
Thread closed for review.

K-9

It will be morning before I get a good look at the thread. Might be best for everybody as I can see 4 or 5 bans getting handed out atm.

K-9

Mod:

Thread re-opened.

It really is simple: attack the post, not the poster. We do let a bit go on all sides but the standard of posting yesterday evening was shockingly poor. Deep breaths and remember nobody is forcing you to reply to a personal attack.

TheDoctor

It's alive!!!!!!!!!!

InTheTrees

The Trump campaign announced today that it is pulling out of Virginia.

PopePalpatine

Did it use that exact wording?

ebbsy

K-9 wrote: »

Mod:

Thread re-opened.

It really is simple: attack the post, not the poster. We do let a bit go on all sides but the standard of posting yesterday evening was shockingly poor. Deep breaths and remember nobody is forcing you to reply to a personal attack.

You have made America great again.

johnnyskeleton

ebbsy wrote: »

You have made America great again.

Mod Note:

This thread has been very difficult and snarky comments about moderation do not help matters.

ebbsy

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Mod Note:

This thread has been very difficult and snarky comments about moderation do not help matters.

Apologies, my comment was merely made to lighten things up, and nothing towards the Mods who do a great job.

frostyjacks

All this talk about, 'When they go low, we go high ', and then they wheel out these women who claim the Donald winked at them or gave them a squeeze thirty years ago? They've dragged this election into the gutter.

TheDoctor

InTheTrees wrote: »

The Trump campaign announced today that it is pulling out of Virginia.

Think you misheard his quote.

PopePalpatine

Yep, nothing represents the best of political discourse like calling for your stormtroopers to "knock the crap out of" dissenters. It's all Hillary's fault it's stooped so low!

TheDoctor

frostyjacks wrote: »

All this talk about, 'When they go low, we go high ', and then they wheel out these women who claim the Donald winked at them or gave them a squeeze thirty years ago? They've dragged this election into the gutter.

This election was going to the gutter when Trump rolled out day 1 15 months ago saying Mexicans were rapists and bringing drugs.

TheDoctor

Trumps campaign following his surrender of Virginia is down to 4 states

Pennsylvania, Florida, North Carolina, and Ohio

He realistically needs to win all 4 to have any shot now.

Overheal

frostyjacks wrote: »

All this talk about, 'When they go low, we go high ', and then they wheel out these women who claim the Donald winked at them or gave them a squeeze thirty years ago? They've dragged this election into the gutter.

It's not the HRC campaign holding a press conference with these women..

aloyisious

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Did it use that exact wording?

It seem's the Trump campaign there is in disarray, probably related to this incident. I'm not being sarcastic in using PROBABLY, as there doesn't seem to be more info online as yet.

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjM7Yj97dfPAhUHI8AKHfvSBREQFggpMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicususa.com%2F2016%2F10%2F12%2Ftrump-campaign-fires-virginia-state-campaign-chair-defending-trump.html&usg=AFQjCNEYtNyHc6ucGaSIWfvOb6DrdTEEEw

Incidentally, Virginia has a record of voting Republican in all Presidential elections except for the Johnson election in 1964....

Re the groping of women reports made about Don, the Rochmond, Virgina times reported this: http://www.richmond.com/news/national-world/ap/article_56373fce-8a2a-5136-9a62-4b404bc19551.html.

It's possible the stories might be syndicated reports from other US papers as the NY Times and Washington Post are still reporting similar stories, thought the number of claimants differ slightly.

Edit.... I'm a bot slow with the Virginia campaign news, seem's the sacking of the Virginia campaign was two days ago.

Quin_Dub

TheDoctor wrote: »

Trumps campaign following his surrender of Virginia is down to 4 states

Pennsylvania, Florida, North Carolina, and Ohio

He realistically needs to win all 4 to have any shot now.

Clinton already has a bigger lead in Pennsylvania than she had in Virginia...

alastair

aloyisious wrote: »

It seem's the Trump campaign there is in disarray, probably related to this incident. I'm not being sarcastic in using PROBABLY, as there doesn't seem to be more info online as yet.

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjM7Yj97dfPAhUHI8AKHfvSBREQFggpMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicususa.com%2F2016%2F10%2F12%2Ftrump-campaign-fires-virginia-state-campaign-chair-defending-trump.html&usg=AFQjCNEYtNyHc6ucGaSIWfvOb6DrdTEEEw

Incidentally, Virginia has a record of voting Republican in all Presidential elections except for the Johnson election in 1964....

And Obama, twice.

bajer101

Trump needs Colorado too and he is also getting well beaten by Clinton there. He is toast.

TheDoctor

And he needs to keep Arizona red.

KingBrian2

TheDoctor wrote: »

This election was going to the gutter when Trump rolled out day 1 15 months ago saying Mexicans were rapists and bringing drugs.

It was already a concern long before then. McCain's own state has one of the most draconian laws on the matter. What did Hillary do instead of addressing the issue straight up she picked a Spanish speaking running mate. That is pandering to the electorate. Most Americans are not fluent in two languages. At the very least I know it is not much but Trump campaigners are drawn from the population. Reflects their desires and wishes more than Clinton. She gets the plaudits from the foreign correspondents dinners.

TheDoctor

KingBrian2 wrote: »

It was already a concern long before then. McCain's own state has one of the most draconian laws on the matter. What did Hillary do instead of addressing the issue straight up she picked a Spanish speaking running mate. That is pandering to the electorate. Most Americans are not fluent in two languages. At the very least I know it is not much but Trump campaigners are drawn from the population. Reflects their desires and wishes more than Clinton. She gets the plaudits from the foreign correspondents dinners.

I don't get the point. Arizona has strict laws and that's Clintons fault?
Kaine is of Irish/Scottish heritage.

Zubeneschamali

KingBrian2 wrote: »

It was already a concern long before then.

Indeed. We all knew Trump was a complete clown long before he entered the race.

alastair

KingBrian2 wrote: »

It was already a concern long before then. McCain's own state has one of the most draconian laws on the matter. What did Hillary do instead of addressing the issue straight up she picked a Spanish speaking running mate. That is pandering to the electorate. Most Americans are not fluent in two languages. At the very least I know it is not much but Trump campaigners are drawn from the population. Reflects their desires and wishes more than Clinton. She gets the plaudits from the foreign correspondents dinners.

How is "pandering to the electorate" not "reflecting the desires of the population"?
Children who can't vote yet?
You want illegals without a vote to be 'reflected' more?

KingBrian2

TheDoctor wrote: »

I don't get the point. Arizona has strict laws and that's Clintons fault?
Kaine is of Irish/Scottish heritage.

The point is Trump does not even need McCain at this stage most Americans agree with his policies on migration in Arizona. The Kaine nominee was thrown out there to get as many Spanish speaking Americans as possible to vote Democrat. Americans have very definite positions on this. Too many illegal Mexicans are entering the US via the border and that whole Build the Wall policy has a lot of following. Bit like the olden days when American politicians would sell citizenship to the Irish in exchange for voting Democrat.

alastair

KingBrian2 wrote: »

The point is Trump does not even need McCain at this stage most Americans agree with his policies on migration in Arizona.

I wouldn't be so sure.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2016/09/07/poll-arizona-voters-border-wall-mass-deportations/89923910/

K-9

alastair wrote: »

I wouldn't be so sure.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2016/09/07/poll-arizona-voters-border-wall-mass-deportations/89923910/

Indeed, just like most people who are concerned about illegal immigration aren't racist and shouldn't be labeled as such, they also know the wall just wouldn't work.

aloyisious

KingBrian2 wrote: »

The point is Trump does not even need McCain at this stage most Americans agree with his policies on migration in Arizona. The Kaine nominee was thrown out there to get as many Spanish speaking Americans as possible to vote Democrat. Americans have very definite positions on this. Too many illegal Mexicans are entering the US via the border and that whole Build the Wall policy has a lot of following. Bit like the olden days when American politicians would sell citizenship to the Irish in exchange for voting Democrat.

I reckon he need not bother to rely on getting it after making a reference to McCain's term of imprisonment as a POW by the North Vietnamese, when they were already at loggerheads. Don did immediately recant four times to his initial reference that McCain was not a war hero, making it clear he did see McCain as a here, even if the fourth sentence was somewhat qualified by it's inclusion of the word "perhaps". The damage was done by then and not forgotten.

“He is a war hero.”

“He’s a war hero because he was captured.”

“He’s a war hero, because he was captured.”

“I believe, perhaps, he’s a war hero. But right now, he’s said some very bad things about a lot of people.”

The link below, telling the story of the dispute, also cover's newspaper bias against Trump when covering his campaign......

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjWsLPG_dfPAhUpIMAKHXBRD5AQFgglMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fsharylattkisson.com%2Ffact-check-the-washington-post-on-donald-trump-and-john-mccain%2F&usg=AFQjCNGBBolyNd3DyGZDK-FRYRPubjngNQ

InTheTrees

KingBrian2 wrote: »

The point is Trump does not even need McCain at this stage .

McCain is up for election too and the GOP really need his,seat in the senate.

KingBrian2

InTheTrees wrote: »

McCain is up for election too and the GOP really need his,seat in the senate.

McCain has lost some of his appeal in recent years. He chose Sarah Palin as his running mate and at the same time was not considered conservative enough for others. A civil war is taking place in the GOP. Not sure if the Democrats will benefit since they are more of the same. The Dems thrive because the opposition is too extreme. They still can't get any policies passed and they move as far to the right as the Republicans so vote Clinton and your essentially voting for status quo.

InTheTrees

KingBrian2 wrote: »

A civil war is taking place in the GOP. Not sure if the Democrats will benefit since they are more of the same.

Right now its looking like 40 years of conservative majority on the supreme court is going to end so that's a pretty yuge benefit right there.

Pro Hoc Vice

KingBrian2 wrote: »

McCain has lost some of his appeal in recent years. He chose Sarah Palin as his running mate and at the same time was not considered conservative enough for others. A civil war is taking place in the GOP. Not sure if the Democrats will benefit since they are more of the same. The Dems thrive because the opposition is too extreme. They still can't get any policies passed and they move as far to the right as the Republicans so vote Clinton and your essentially voting for status quo.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/senate/az/arizona_senate_mccain_vs_kirkpatrick-5455.html

McCain's poll figures

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/az/arizona_trump_vs_clinton-5832.html

Trump in the same State!

Overheal

McCain's still sensible enough (you can tell, by the number of times he's been called a RINO) possibly his biggest black mark is his flip flop on the F-35, he went from calling it a complete failure to a technological marvel; all it took was to put a couple planes in AZ airbases to wet his whistle.

aloyisious

Yup to Pro Hoc Vice.... It's important to McCain that he's not collateral damage to Trump's campaign as he's seeking re-election as Senator in Arizona. The insult he got from Trump about not being a war hero due to his POW imprisonment by the NVA (despite Don IMMEDIATELY recanting four time on his comment) probably wouldn't be easily forgotten either and might be in the process of being returned.

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjWsLPG_dfPAhUpIMAKHXBRD5AQFgglMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fsharylattkisson.com%2Ffact-check-the-washington-post-on-donald-trump-and-john-mccain%2F&usg=AFQjCNGBBolyNd3DyGZDK-FRYRPubjngNQ

KingBrian2

McCain and Hillary are the same. Trump does not agree with their views. His supporters do not like McCain or Hillary and see them as sell outs or worse. They are not voting Trump because he is a beautiful human being they are voting for him because they agree with his policies. Clinton like so many people have said has disastrous policies. Deplorable policies and great deal of them believe she should be impeached for her mishandling of classified material.

alastair

KingBrian2 wrote: »

McCain and Hillary are the same. Trump does not agree with their views. His supporters do not like McCain or Hillary and see them as sell outs or worse. They are not voting Trump because he is a beautiful human being they are voting for him because they agree with his policies. Clinton like so many people have said has disastrous policies. Deplorable policies and great deal of them believe she should be impeached for her mishandling of classified material.

We get that Trump supporters support Trump.

We should also get that it's not Trump's place to determine if Hillary should be impeached - or whether she's guilty of a crime. She was investigated and there wasn't sufficient evidence to prosecute her. That's how the law works.

TheDoctor

KingBrian2 wrote: »

McCain has lost some of his appeal in recent years.

Still very respected in Arizona, as can be seen by his approx. 15 point lead in the polls.

Igotadose

Overheal wrote: »

McCain's still sensible enough (you can tell, by the number of times he's been called a RINO) possibly his biggest black mark is his flip flop on the F-35, he went from calling it a complete failure to a technological marvel; all it took was to put a couple planes in AZ airbases to wet his whistle.

His biggest black mark was his choice of VP nominee in 2008. He legitimized the teabaggers, leading to Trump.

Overheal

Igotadose wrote: »

His biggest black mark was his choice of VP nominee in 2008. He legitimized the teabaggers, leading to Trump.

It was pressure from the GOP that picked Palin as the nominee, and it was all to do with the fact that Obama was not picking Clinton as his running mate. It was a cheap and transparent grab at the women vote.

TheDoctor

InTheTrees wrote: »

Right now its looking like 40 years of conservative majority on the supreme court is going to end so that's a pretty yuge benefit right there.

Looking forward to the new liberal utopia that the US is about to become.

Overheal

TheDoctor wrote: »

Looking forward to the new liberal utopia that the US is about to become.

you'll see, hopefully, some pretty strong rulings on body autonomy when it comes to the right to abortions. We also need an overturn of Citizen's United: nobody can stop people from running their mouths in the media, but you can make it so that they have to disclose whose mouth it is. Right now we don't know which Trump or Clinton PAC is funded by Saudi's for instance. You know. Little things like Dark Money.

The court will also overturn rulings on Binding Arbitration clauses. These clauses in the last couple years have been adopted by almost every major company, and prevent the ability of consumers to engage in Class Action, meaning Samsung can sell you a phone that explodes in your teenager's ****ing pocket and you can't lawyer up with anybody else who has had a problem with the phone, or a bank like Wells Fargo can skate by without having to face a Class Action for its mountain of shyte.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/what-if-the-supreme-court-were-liberal/477018/

TheDoctor

Be interesting would Clinton stick with Obamas selection or pick her own for the vacant seat.

Quin_Dub

TheDoctor wrote: »

Be interesting would Clinton stick with Obamas selection or pick her own for the vacant seat.

I'd say she'll stay with him.. She's likely to have at least 1 if not 2 more appointments to make in the next few years so plenty of time on that front..

It'll depend on the House & Senate Majorities though , if the GOP hold on to the House (which they may not , something that was unthinkable only weeks ago) they'll use every delaying tactic in the book to delay and block whoever gets put forward..

Overheal

The safe move would be to appoint Garland to the bench, it's already a choice the Republicans endorsed before they had a political motivation not to, and would stop uproar about liberalizing the court.

aloyisious

TheDoctor wrote: »

Be interesting would Clinton stick with Obamas selection or pick her own for the vacant seat.

Hillary probably would stay with B's choice, unless she has a totally different view to his on what a SCJ should do for the people judgement-wise. If she changed horses mid-stream, she'd provide a stick to beat her with, unless she was assured of a Dem-majority in the Senate.

I don't know if a new president could de-select a nominee of the previous sitting president, unless the Senate the nomination was made to no longer sat, due to recess or elections to it, freeing up her/his hand.

Hillary, if president, has the power to appoint SCJ's without Senate approval under the US Constitution when the Senate is in recess. The new SCJ might be re-appointed by the new senate when it sat.

There's no assurance that Judge Garland won't change any perceived stance he has, liberal or con, if he was appointed. Some US presidents have been surprised later; to quote Ike: "the biggest damn fool mistake he ever made" when he appointed Earl Warren, he thought he had a Con and found he had a liberal. Ditto for George Bush Snr.

Edit: I assume that Don probably would change the nominee if he was elected, to assure himself that the Obama years USSC legacy was bust and he could get rulings he liked.