Liveline thread 12/08/16 to date

vicwatson

Mike Guide 69 wrote: »

Whats the chances of PBH in the hot seat tomorrow after St Joes interrogation??

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Joe probably gets tomorrow off as Time In Lieu for pre recording and researching todays "interview".

Mike and Atlantic, take a bloody large bow !

The Duffmeister disappears today, tut tut tut

HeidiHeidi

furiousox wrote: »

He was in lovely Leitrim yesterday evening.
Maybe the jet Jag lag was too much for him.

http://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/home/214014/joe-duffy-to-re-launch-drumshanbo-s-glimpses-of-the-past.html

FYP there.

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I'm just listening to the six one news and the statement of the hickey family has fierce similarities to what the ballyer prince said yesterday in his "interview" of the Brazilian police chief. I wonder lads or am I being too cynical here.

You're not suggesting that Joe is the family's legal representative??? :eek:

Or that the legal representatives scripted that interview??? :eek:


In true LL style, I didn't actually hear yesterday's or today's show - but I won't let that stop me commenting.

I was outraged - OUTRAGED, I TELL YA - at yesterday's fiasco. I said it before about something else, but HOW in the name of Jaysus is that sort of stuff allowed be broadcast? And it was prerecorded!

Award goes to Butters for services to humanity HeidiHeidi for doing out the transcript - I was going to podcast it at first, but couldn't actually bring myself to in the end. Reading about it (and then actually reading it!) was quite traumatic enough, thanks.

Well done to those who banged in complaints - I wish you luck trying to get any joy out of RTE/BC, but as a few people said maybe if sufficient volume of complaints come in they'll have to do something about it. And maybe not.

Where is everyone getting all the tweets from I searched for #liveline (which was trending, not surprisingly!) and only a handful were there. Am I doing something wrong (quite possible, I only have the haziest idea of how to work the twitter machine) or is someone deleting all the undesirable ones?? Anyway, for those of us who aren't regular twitterers, please keep posting them - they're BRILLIANT!!!

And lastly, how are we going to find out exactly WHOY Joe was off today? I'm hugging myself with delight at the thought it might be because he got a bollocking from some manager or other over yesterday's show and told to stay at home while they decide his fate.... but somehow I doubt it. Probably got to do with the Jag lag referred to above

buried

That brainmelt was pre-recorded before it went out yesterday??? F*cking lelol

signostic

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

FYP there.



Where is everyone getting all the tweets from I searched for #liveline (which was trending, not surprisingly!) and only a handful were there. Am I doing something wrong (quite possible, I only have the haziest idea of how to work the twitter machine) or is someone deleting all the undesirable ones?? Anyway, for those of us who aren't regular twitterers, please keep posting them - they're BRILLIANT!!!
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Heidi
more tweets here ...
https://twitter.com/hashtag/RTEbias?src=hash

PeterTheNinth

The family said they are now "gravely concerned about the effect this degrading and humiliating ordeal has had on their father and grandfather and how it continues to affect his physical and mental health".

The family now demanding that the Government "urgently intervene". They can get "back in their box" this time. Pat Hickey gave the two fingers to the Government only two weeks ago, and they all expect the country to pull out all the stops to get him released.

I really think this statement is a huge PR mistake. The demanding tone of it is dreadful given the context, combined with playing the emotive card when honestly nobody in the country has any sympathy for this man.

PeterTheNinth PR would have suggested starting with something like "The family is requesting the assistance of the Irish Government."



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PeterTheNinth

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

I'm hugging myself with delight at the thought it might be because he got a bollocking from some manager or other over yesterday's show and told to stay at home while they decide his fate.... but somehow I doubt it. Probably got to do with the Jag lag referred to above

I think they have done this with D'Arcy and possibly Duffy before. When there's a BAI statement to be announced, they get some voiceover person to make the apology, get PBH to present the show for the day.... Put their heads down til the storm blows over. And the day after the superstar is back on the air like it had never happened.

pc7

We should all keep texting Rio to them next week until they face it, no backing down and hiding this time.

somesoldiers

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Award goes to Butters for services to humanity HeidiHeidi for doing out the transcript

I think he copied that from Broadsheet, it was up there yesterday evening.

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2016/08/25/enhanced-interrogation/#comment-1663023

ButtersSuki

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

FYP there.



You're not suggesting that Joe is the family's legal representative??? :eek:

Or that the legal representatives scripted that interview??? :eek:


In true LL style, I didn't actually hear yesterday's or today's show - but I won't let that stop me commenting.

I was outraged - OUTRAGED, I TELL YA - at yesterday's fiasco. I said it before about something else, but HOW in the name of Jaysus is that sort of stuff allowed be broadcast? And it was prerecorded!

Award goes to Butters for services to humanity HeidiHeidi for doing out the transcript - I was going to podcast it at first, but couldn't actually bring myself to in the end. Reading about it (and then actually reading it!) was quite traumatic enough, thanks.

Well done to those who banged in complaints - I wish you luck trying to get any joy out of RTE/BC, but as a few people said maybe if sufficient volume of complaints come in they'll have to do something about it. And maybe not.

Where is everyone getting all the tweets from I searched for #liveline (which was trending, not surprisingly!) and only a handful were there. Am I doing something wrong (quite possible, I only have the haziest idea of how to work the twitter machine) or is someone deleting all the undesirable ones?? Anyway, for those of us who aren't regular twitterers, please keep posting them - they're BRILLIANT!!!

And lastly, how are we going to find out exactly WHOY Joe was off today? I'm hugging myself with delight at the thought it might be because he got a bollocking from some manager or other over yesterday's show and told to stay at home while they decide his fate.... but somehow I doubt it. Probably got to do with the Jag lag referred to above

Can't take credit for it Heidi, was a cut and paste from broadsheet. Fair play to whoever did it there though.

Itssoeasy

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

FYP there.



You're not suggesting that Joe is the family's legal representative??? :eek:

Or that the legal representatives scripted that interview??? :eek:

Jesus Christ no.
Pat hickey would have a better chance with this lad than Duffy.

Atlantic Dawn

Poower Shane Rose won't know whether they won't him back in his box or out of it, they seem confused so to speak.

Itssoeasy

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Can't take credit for it Heidi, was a cut and paste from broadsheet. Fair play to whoever did it there though.

Where's the transcript butters so to speak ? I can't see it on this thread anyway.

HeidiHeidi

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Can't take credit for it Heidi, was a cut and paste from broadsheet. Fair play to whoever did it there though.

Ah, fecks sake - don't be bursting me bubble, for heaven's sake!

Ask yourself - would Joe turn down the opportunity to take the credit for something he had no hand, act or part in I think we all know the answer to that.

Be like Joe!

(Dont, really, please don't!)

Minor award and a "well done, well done" still given for finding it and posting it - saved me the trauma of actually having to listen to it :eek:

ButtersSuki

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Ah, fecks sake - don't be bursting me bubble, for heaven's sake!

Ask yourself - would Joe turn down the opportunity to take the credit for something he had no hand, act or part in I think we all know the answer for that.

Be like Joe!

(Dont, really, please don't!)

Minor award and a "well done, well done" still given for finding it and posting it - saved me the trauma of actually having to listen to it :eek:

You should listen to it, ESP when he loses the rag, very funny!

somesoldiers

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Where's the transcript butters so to speak ? I can't see it on this thread anyway.

Top of here

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2016/08/25/enhanced-interrogation/#comment-1663023

buried

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Ah, fecks sake - don't be bursting me bubble, for heaven's sake!

Ask yourself - would Joe turn down the opportunity to take the credit for something he had no hand, act or part in I think we all know the answer to that.

Be like Joe!

(Dont, really, please don't!)

Minor award and a "well done, well done" still given for finding it and posting it - saved me the trauma of actually having to listen to it :eek:

You have to listen to it Heidi, its an actual work of art how he let his brain melt.

Itssoeasy

ButtersSuki wrote: »

You should listen to it, ESP when he loses the rag, very funny!

Yeah as much as a pain in the arse it is to listen the written transcript doesn't do the spoken word justice so to speak. Butters did you listen to the podcast so to speak ?

Itssoeasy

somesoldiers wrote: »

Top of here

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2016/08/25/enhanced-interrogation/#comment-1663023

Yeah I just saw it.

Red Kev

Doesn't make for good reading for Pat Hickey; holding the first (and probably last) European Games in a country with such open abuse of human rights.

No doubt Joe would approve of the way the Azerbaijani's treat the media with an iron fist when they don't comply.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/06/16/azerbaijans-european-games-giving-sport-bad-name

Azerbaijan’s European Games: giving sport a bad name


Rather than being a catalyst for positive change, the European Games have become a weapon in Baku’s effort to promote itself as progressive while continuing to crush independent voices.

The recent FIFA corruption scandal is not the only major crisis gripping international sport this summer: the inaugural European Games opened on June 12 in Azerbaijan, one of the most repressive countries in Europe. With a troubling rights record over many years, the Azerbaijani government has upped its oppression in the last year to silence domestic journalists, human rights defenders, opposition activists and other critics ahead of the games.

Rather than being a catalyst for positive change, as many in the international sporting community had hoped, the first European Games have become yet another weapon in the Azerbaijani government’s effort to promote itself as a progressive, modern country—all the while carrying out a domestic assault on those who challenge the government’s version of truth.

The Olympic principles

The European Games, held in Azerbaijan’s capital, Baku, are a multi-sport event for more than 6,000 athletes from 50 European nations. Founded in 2012, the games are meant to be a European equivalent of the Pan-Asian and Pan-American Games. The games are owned and regulated by the European Olympic Committees (EOC), an association of 50 European National Olympic Committees.

The EOC and its members are part of the Olympic Movement and they are governed by the Olympic Charter, which has explicit guarantees of media freedom, and calls for sport to promote ‘human dignity’ and ‘the harmonious development of humankind.’ But you would hardly believe that those are the guiding principles of these games, given the government’s abuses in the run-up, while it has paid little, if any, price for those actions.

Meanwhile, the EOC has largely turned a blind eye to the repression, and in doing so has failed to uphold the Olympic Charter. It has squandered a rare opportunity to press for meaningful, lasting change and the positive legacy sporting events should bring. Instead, Azerbaijan is more entrenched in repressive ways than ever.

A sinister agenda

Most host countries of major sporting events spend the year leading up to the event finalizing sports venues, communications networks and the immense infrastructure required of hosts. Yet the Azerbaijani government had an additional agenda in the run up to the games: to crush independent voices. Since June 2014, the government has lashed out at the best-known and most-well-respected rights advocates and journalists, with arrests, bogus criminal charges, long imprisonments, smear campaigns, threats against family members, and alleged violence and inhuman treatment in detention.

The Azerbaijani government had an additional agenda in the run up to the games: to crush independent voices.

Other activists and journalists have fled their homeland for unknown fates abroad, understandably fearing the same consequences for their criticism of the government if they stayed put. Authorities also closed dozens of independent groups working on topics ranging from human rights to corruption to labour protections.

Last July, the authorities arrested Leyla Yunus, director of the Institute for Peace and Democracy, an organization that has focused on combating politically motivated prosecutions, corruption, violence against women, and unlawful evictions. They arrested her husband, Arif Yunus, a well-known historian, a few days later and brought inconceivable charges of treason, tax evasion, and illegal entrepreneurship against the elderly couple. Leyla Yunus suffers from severe health problems, yet the authorities refuse to a hospitalize her or even guarantee her a special diet and regular medicine.

In December, the authorities arrested Azerbaijan’s best-known investigative journalist, Khadija Ismailova, who long sought to expose alleged financial wrongdoing and corruption among senior officials. The founder of the Sport for Rights campaign, Rasul Jafarov, was arrested ahead of the games and sentenced to six and a half years in prison. Intigam Aliyev, the country’s most prominent human rights lawyer, was also arrested and sentenced to seven and a half years. The list of those in detention and facing similar prison sentences goes on.

Among the groups targeted is the Institute for Reporters’ Freedom and Safety (IRFS), a leading independent media monitoring organisation. Last August, the authorities raided IRFS’s office, interrogated staff, confiscated computers, and sealed the office shut. Fearing arrest, the IRFS director, Emin Huseynov, sought refuge in the Swiss Embassy in Baku, where he remained in limbo for nearly a year. It came as a complete surprise that the government allowed him to leave for Switzerland, escorted by a top Swiss diplomat, the day after the games opened. Huseynov’s brother, also an activist and journalist, remains in Azerbaijan and subject to a travel ban, perhaps as a guarantee that Emin won’t take up activism abroad. Even positive steps by the government nevertheless seem always to be tainted by menace.

Internationally, the Azerbaijani government has spared no effort or expense to present a glossy image of an affluent, progressive country on the rise and a worthy host of mega-sporting events. Not wanting to expose its brutal practices and undermine the false image it projects abroad, the government has selectively denied entry to or kicked out several journalists and international monitors and organisations.

Closing the gate

In the weeks running up to the games, the Azerbaijani government denied accreditation to at least four journalists from major European outlets, including from the chief sports correspondent for the British newspaper The Guardian, and journalists from Radio France Internationale and ARD TV in Germany. Authorities deported another journalist and long-time Azerbaijan critic, Emma Hughes, from the airport, even though she had official accreditation to report on the European Games.

The Azerbaijani government has flagrantly contradicted requirements as host country of the European Games to ensure press freedom. Yet the European Olympic Committees have equally failed to enforce the Olympic Charter and require the government reverse these actions.

And it’s not just journalists the government wants to keep out. On March 31, border police barred Human Rights Watch’s senior researcher on Azerbaijan, Giorgi Gogia, from entering the country when he arrived at the airport, and deported him without explanation. It was the first time the government had ever barred entry to a Human Rights Watch staff member. In May the Foreign Ministry without explanation failed to respond to a visa request for a Human Rights Watch senior staff member who had been invited by the Asian Development Bank to participate in the bank’s annual meeting in Baku.

Days before the Games started, the authorities stopped Amnesty International from releasing a report in Baku. And on the eve of the games, the government announced it was closing the Baku office of the inter-governmental Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), in which Azerbaijan is a participating state. The local office had led programmes in Azerbaijan combatting terrorism and human trafficking, and promoting good governance, gender equality, and nondiscrimination.

The Azerbaijani government has flagrantly contradicted requirements as host country of the European Games to ensure press freedom.

Perhaps because of this rights debacle, Western European leaders uniformly declined to attend the European Games opening ceremonies—no doubt much to the disappointment of both the EOC and Azerbaijan President Ilham Aliyev, given the potential the ceremonies have to help legitimate and normalise the image of an abusive government. The most prominent world leader to attend was President Vladimir Putin of Russia.

A short window

There is just a short window left for the EOC and European governments to use the games, and the positive legacy they are supposed to leave behind, as an opportunity to insist on meaningful positive steps on human rights from the Azerbaijani government. Those steps should include the unconditional release of unjustly held journalists, activists and others.

If not, the dreadful legacy of the European Games may be sealed forever. The only bidder for the 2019 games, the Netherlands, has withdrawn.

Red Kev

Funny how the 6 O'Clock News and the 9 O'Clock news lead with a prees release issued by a private family. Comes in ahead of abuse in Irish institutions.

Nice to have the necessary contacts I guess. Should be noted that RTE are under no obligation to lead with the press release, or indeed publish it in any way, but somebody in RTE made that decision. I wonder who, and what's in it for them?

ButtersSuki

Red Kev wrote: »

Funny how the 6 O'Clock News and the 9 O'Clock news lead with a prees release issued by a private family. Comes in ahead of abuse in Irish institutions.

Nice to have the necessary contacts I guess. Should be noted that RTE are under no obligation to lead with the press release, or indeed publish it in any way, but somebody in RTE made that decision. I wonder who, and what's in it for them?

I will pour gas lighter fluid over my balls and let Joe light it if that press release WASN'T prepared by The Communications Clinic.

ButtersSuki

Red Kev wrote: »

Doesn't make for good reading for Pat Hickey; holding the first (and probably last) European Games in a country with such open abuse of human rights.

No doubt Joe would approve of the way the Azerbaijani's treat the media with an iron fist when they don't comply.

That was covered on Off The Ball recently, very good piece.

ButtersSuki

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Yeah as much as a pain in the arse it is to listen the written transcript doesn't do the spoken word justice so to speak. Butters did you listen to the podcast so to speak ?

I listened to it Lahv so to speak!

HeidiHeidi

buried wrote: »

You have to listen to it Heidi, its an actual work of art how he let his brain melt.

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Yeah as much as a pain in the arse it is to listen the written transcript doesn't do the spoken word justice so to speak. Butters did you listen to the podcast so to speak ?

Nope, I can't do it.

I tried, but I literally cannot stand to listen to any more than about 2 mins of Joe mumbling and bumbling rubbish at a man who is being interviewed over the phone and not in his native language. Would it never occur to him to ask questions in short, clear, concise sentences?

Of course, if he did, he might get answers he wouldn't like..... Instead he shouted over the commissioner every time he tried to speak. Did he allow him answer a single question in the whole interview???

Again I ask.... How is this tabloid-standard trash passed as fit to broadcast? And by whom?

sligojoek

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Yeah as much as a pain in the arse it is to listen the written transcript doesn't do the spoken word justice so to speak. Butters did you listen to the podcast so to speak ?

Agreed. It has to be heard.

ButtersSuki

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Nope, I can't do it.

I tried, but I literally cannot stand to listen to any more than about 2 mins of Joe mumbling and bumbling rubbish at a man who is being interviewed over the phone and not in his native language. Would it never occur to him to ask questions in short, clear, concise sentences?

Of course, if he did, he might get answers he wouldn't like..... Instead he shouted over the commissioner every time he tried to speak. Did he allow him answer a single question in the whole interview???

Again I ask.... How is this tabloid-standard trash passed as fit to broadcast? And by whom?

YOU SIMPLY MUST. It's Joe in all his bigoted glory x 100.

You cannot let this one pass. Never has such a short conversation said so much about a man......

ButtersSuki

On a complete tangent, spotted dis painted on an electricity utility box (or perhaps it was something else so to speak) this evening along the quays...."modrin art" as Joe would likely call it:

brooke 2

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

The family now demanding that the Government "urgently intervene". They can get "back in their box" this time. Pat Hickey gave the two fingers to the Government only two weeks ago, and they all expect the country to pull out all the stops to get him released.

I really think this statement is a huge PR mistake. The demanding tone of it is dreadful given the context, combined with playing the emotive card when honestly nobody in the country has any sympathy for this man.

PeterTheNinth PR would have suggested starting with something like "The family is requesting the assistance of the Irish Government."



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Wasn't it some nerve for them to state that they WANTED him to be brought home?! The apple does not fall far from the tree, it seems!!

Dan Jaman

furiousox wrote: »

He was in lovely Leitrim yesterday evening.
Maybe the jet lag was too much for him.

http://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/home/214014/joe-duffy-to-re-launch-drumshanbo-s-glimpses-of-the-past.html

Joe Duffy will officiate at the re-launch and all are invited to attend this very special event.
Refreshments will be served

I do hope the locals got there in time before all the refreshments were gone, scoffed by a the gannets.

Uncle Ben

RTE conveniently avoiding their own littlte Liveline Earthquake on the week in review now.